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Re: What is a good sterile technique for spawning? [Re: Bugzy]
    #11722568 - 12/26/09 06:22 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Is coco-tek good coir? I think thats the name anyways...




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Re: What is a good sterile technique for spawning? [Re: Citizen13]
    #11723153 - 12/26/09 08:46 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

If you properly pasteurize your coir at 140F to 160F for one hour and you still get green mold before first flush, then there is no doubt about it:  Your spawn(noun) is contaminated before you ever spawn(verb) to bulk.
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Re: What is a good sterile technique for spawning? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #11734528 - 12/28/09 10:11 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

2 things too add:

Coir doesnt matter if it has trich already aslong as you pastuerize correctly, correct?

Does water type make a difference? The tap water around here is terrible, looks like watered-down jizz. I have heard of people using natural pond/river water and distilled water for hydrating subs instead of tap. Have been thinking about just using distilled H2o from begining to end.

One other thing, So nothing can breed on pastuerized subs because all the resources for the mold spores to maintain life are cooked out leaveing the viable resources for shoomr too grow correct? And they cant over come mycellium once its colonized,even when you break up your jars and see the grain through the myc, mold cant find its way in?

sounds like things are mold proof after a few simple steps. Which leads me too the confusion of how do molds get there after everything is colonized? or what type of molds. Assuming your spawn was good.?

Not sure if i said what I was trying too, but I ll see soon I guess

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Re: What is a good sterile technique for spawning? [Re: Bugzy]
    #11734551 - 12/28/09 10:17 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I'm sure some molds manage to hatch in the sub, but they are so outnumbered by the myc, which is already established and growing vigorously. So it overtakes the whole sub and becomes pretty resistant to contamn.

But then you get a couple flushes and the sub is tired and dirty and trich manages to set in.

Game over. Toss it.

I think using the trich enriched coir is still a mistake. If you do use it, I would keep temps closer to 180 the whole time.


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Re: What is a good sterile technique for spawning? [Re: anonjon]
    #11735164 - 12/29/09 12:16 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm sure some molds manage to hatch in the sub, but they are so outnumbered by the myc, which is already established and growing vigorously. So it overtakes the whole sub and becomes pretty resistant to contamn.

But then you get a couple flushes and the sub is tired and dirty and trich manages to set in.

Game over. Toss it.

I think using the trich enriched coir is still a mistake. If you do use it, I would keep temps closer to 180 the whole time.




I m with you on the anti trch coir all the way.

So you dont necassrily get rid of mold, you hold it off for the mushrooms too take over before the mold spores catch up right?


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Re: What is a good sterile technique for spawning? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #11735294 - 12/29/09 01:00 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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If you properly pasteurize your coir at 140F to 160F for one hour and you still get green mold before first flush, then there is no doubt about it:  Your spawn(noun) is contaminated before you ever spawn(verb) to bulk.
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What happens if the temp goes over 160F? Sometimes i get up to 190F. Is that bad?


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Re: What is a good sterile technique for spawning? [Re: blackdust]
    #11735369 - 12/29/09 01:29 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

your fine, 140-160 is optimal, 170 is pointless line, but 190 wont hurt, just try too keep a better eye on it next time


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Re: What is a good sterile technique for spawning? [Re: Bugzy]
    #11735393 - 12/29/09 01:36 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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your fine, 140-160 is optimal, 170 is pointless line, but 190 wont hurt, just try too keep a better eye on it next time




Its my stove. I always turn it off once it hits 140F but then it keeps going and going and going. Next time I will turn off stove sooner.

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Re: What is a good sterile technique for spawning? [Re: blackdust]
    #11735401 - 12/29/09 01:39 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Wait.. whats goin on? you turn the stove of at 140? and then it goes up too 190?

how are pastuerizing; ovenbag, pot?


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