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lye, napatha, abd ammonia
    #11715648 - 12/25/09 04:48 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

can all 3 of these products be bought at one store? i was thinking maybe home depot.


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Re: lye, napatha, abd ammonia [Re: highc]
    #11715650 - 12/25/09 04:50 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

yep.  Home depot can have all of them, but be careful with buying the lye.  Not always the most pure there


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Re: lye, napatha, abd ammonia [Re: bbl337]
    #11715656 - 12/25/09 04:52 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

what do you mean by pure? would there be indications on the packaging?


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Re: lye, napatha, abd ammonia [Re: highc]
    #11715711 - 12/25/09 05:24 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

not necessarily.  many have metals and wahtnot in them to make them work "better" on pipes and crap.  I'd personally just order the stuff online where you can confirm its purity


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Re: lye, napatha, abd ammonia [Re: highc]
    #11715816 - 12/25/09 06:49 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

And if you're thinking about using that ammonia to clean up DMT crystals, forget about it. It doesn't work like that.


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Re: lye, napatha, abd ammonia [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11715878 - 12/25/09 07:19 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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And if you're thinking about using that ammonia to clean up DMT crystals, forget about it. It doesn't work like that.




Hydrous ammonia is hydrous ammonia (as long as theres no coloring or soap or anything)


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Re: lye, napatha, abd ammonia [Re: bbl337]
    #11715911 - 12/25/09 07:36 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I went to Lowes, was only able to buy the Naphtha there. The lye I had to get from true value. Refer to NBs STB tek and pictorial thread for a picture of the lye he used, that's the one I found @ true value.


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Re: lye, napatha, abd ammonia [Re: bbl337]
    #11716342 - 12/25/09 10:26 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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And if you're thinking about using that ammonia to clean up DMT crystals, forget about it. It doesn't work like that.




Hydrous ammonia is hydrous ammonia (as long as theres no coloring or soap or anything)



Quite correct. Hydrous ammonia is also not an effective means of cleaning up spice :shrug:

Any lye is going be tiny particulates incorporated into the crystals... would you wash gravel out of the middle of an ice cube by running cold water over it?


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Re: lye, napatha, abd ammonia [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11716624 - 12/25/09 11:52 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I suggest going to Ace Hardware.

They have 100% Lye (White bottle) and 100% Naptha (Green Can).


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Re: lye, napatha, abd ammonia [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11718134 - 12/25/09 07:16 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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And if you're thinking about using that ammonia to clean up DMT crystals, forget about it. It doesn't work like that.




yeah i was. 10% non-sudsy and very cold. i was going to follow the dmt for the masses tek. dont tell me their is a problem?


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Re: lye, napatha, abd ammonia [Re: bbl337]
    #11718214 - 12/25/09 07:43 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

What about Roebic brand lye crystals? Says 100% NaOH.


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Re: lye, napatha, abd ammonia [Re: highc]
    #11718254 - 12/25/09 07:58 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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And if you're thinking about using that ammonia to clean up DMT crystals, forget about it. It doesn't work like that.




yeah i was. 10% non-sudsy and very cold. i was going to follow the dmt for the masses tek. dont tell me their is a problem?



It's not going to drastically ruin it or anything, but it's not really going to do any good either.  Any lye is going be tiny particulates incorporated into the crystals... would you wash gravel out of the middle of an ice cube by running cold water over it?


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Re: lye, napatha, abd ammonia [Re: highc]
    #11718285 - 12/25/09 08:08 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah ammonia wash is useless and people who are just beginning at extracting alkaloids somehow ruin their project with it. Use sodium carbonate instead.


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Re: lye, napatha, abd ammonia [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11718651 - 12/25/09 09:43 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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And if you're thinking about using that ammonia to clean up DMT crystals, forget about it. It doesn't work like that.




yeah i was. 10% non-sudsy and very cold. i was going to follow the dmt for the masses tek. dont tell me their is a problem?



It's not going to drastically ruin it or anything, but it's not really going to do any good either.  Any lye is going be tiny particulates incorporated into the crystals... would you wash gravel out of the middle of an ice cube by running cold water over it?





What would you suggest? im stopping at powder the first time. No crystalization.


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Re: lye, napatha, abd ammonia [Re: highc]
    #11718665 - 12/25/09 09:46 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

A sodium carbonate wash is effective, like FractalDust suggested.  Just dissolve a pinch of sodium carbonate in water (to raise the pH to ~11), add a small volume of it to the DMT-laden naphtha, swirl, and separate.  After that, the naphtha shouldn't have any NaOH at all if it had any in the first place (though as a general rule, there won't be any in there in the first place if you separated your layers well)..


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