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m00nshine
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How do you drain your wbs?
#11718131 - 12/25/09 07:15 PM (15 years, 25 days ago) |
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I prepared some seed today and found that it took extremely long to drain. I let it sit for about 3 or 4 hours and it was still too wet. I ended up taking a few paper towels and running it through the seed in order to dry it. Do you think it took so long because of my colander? At first it seemed that a lot of moisture was escaping from the seed but then later on it felt like it was just stuck there on the seed.
How long do you guys drain your seed before you PC it? Do you leave it in a colander to air dry?
This bird seed is a pain in the ass
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Re: How do you drain your wbs? [Re: m00nshine]
#11718164 - 12/25/09 07:28 PM (15 years, 25 days ago) |
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i use rye and i let it drain maybe ten to twenty minutes max. i have never liked WBS. could never get the water content right, or something
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myco_mikey_mo said: i use rye and i let it drain maybe ten to twenty minutes max. i have never liked WBS. could never get the water content right, or something
How do you prepare your rye?
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myco_mikey_mo said: i use rye and i let it drain maybe ten to twenty minutes max. i have never liked WBS. could never get the water content right, or something
ya ive only used rye..and have had good results from it...but afoaf uses WBS and he has the same problem, and he found spreading it out on paper towels for an hour really helps..
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Re: How do you drain your wbs? [Re: m00nshine]
#11718189 - 12/25/09 07:35 PM (15 years, 25 days ago) |
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m00nshine said:
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myco_mikey_mo said: i use rye and i let it drain maybe ten to twenty minutes max. i have never liked WBS. could never get the water content right, or something
How do you prepare your rye?
soak 24 hours rinse well simmer 45 min rinse well drain for 45min load jars
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Re: How do you drain your wbs? [Re: joska87]
#11718191 - 12/25/09 07:36 PM (15 years, 25 days ago) |
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strainer mix it up after a bit of time.
truthfully you dont need to simmer WBS, its a waste of time.
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Re: How do you drain your wbs? [Re: Shr00mZ]
#11718200 - 12/25/09 07:38 PM (15 years, 25 days ago) |
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Shr00mZ said:
truthfully you dont need to simmer WBS, its a waste of time.
???so how do you hydrate the grain???
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Re: How do you drain your wbs? [Re: joska87]
#11718220 - 12/25/09 07:46 PM (15 years, 25 days ago) |
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I didn't simmer mine either. A lot of people here claim to skip that step and have success. I just rinsed, soaked, rinsed, and drained. It's PCing now.
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Re: How do you drain your wbs? [Re: m00nshine]
#11720492 - 12/26/09 08:53 AM (15 years, 25 days ago) |
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Any other thoughts? Looks like I can lay out my seed on some paper towels or towel it dry. Just wondering what other cultivators do to dry their seed.
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Re: How do you drain your wbs? [Re: m00nshine]
#11720575 - 12/26/09 09:22 AM (15 years, 25 days ago) |
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Using a wooden spoon to toss it every 5 minutes. Total of 25 minutes.
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Quote:
Breakfast Crew said:

Using a wooden spoon to toss it every 5 minutes. Total of 25 minutes.
thats awesome. i want one of those!
i currently use a window screen. same idea but they break after continuous use and i'm pretty sure my neighbors are starting to notice that not only are all mine gone but some of theirs are as well..
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Re: How do you drain your wbs? [Re: joska87]
#11720735 - 12/26/09 10:16 AM (15 years, 25 days ago) |
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joska87 said:
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Shr00mZ said:
truthfully you dont need to simmer WBS, its a waste of time.
???so how do you hydrate the grain???
obvouisly the hydration process occurs when you let the grain soak for 24 hours. Simmering the grain is a pain in the ass and it hurts your hands if you touch it. I wish I would have never read anywhere you had to simmer it, I pray that a very large person beats the shit out of who ever came up with that method.
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Re: How do you drain your wbs? [Re: Citizen13]
#11720737 - 12/26/09 10:17 AM (15 years, 25 days ago) |
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soak 36-48 hours rinse well simmer 45 min rinse well drain for 20min load jars add gypsum PC for 90 min
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partial hydration occurs at the soak. mainly the soak is to germinate the endospores so they can be more easily killed during the PC time. the simmer actually allows the grain to absorb as much water as possible, thats why when you simmer, the grain almost doubles in size.
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24 hours soak Drain out water, you soaked in. Fill up the pot again, dump it in a strainer done.
I promise the same results.
well the addition of gypsum could be good. I havent tried it, but cant see why it would be benefical though.
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Re: How do you drain your wbs? [Re: Shr00mZ]
#11720774 - 12/26/09 10:25 AM (15 years, 25 days ago) |
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helps keep individual kernals, well....individual. jars colonize about 2-3 days faster in my opinion. did multiple side by side tests. got same results everytime
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Re: How do you drain your wbs? [Re: Shr00mZ]
#11720780 - 12/26/09 10:26 AM (15 years, 25 days ago) |
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place 350 or 450 mL milo seed in jar (depending on if your make transfere jars or jars you'll inject spores into) fill with water wait till next day drain water out and pc.
place 300 mL millet seed in jar (i don't transfere to millet) fill with water wait till next day drain and pc.
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gypsum is a binder, meaning it would make it harder to get the WBS out of the jar. I dont know about you but I have a hard enough time without using gypsum. But its also a reason why it may colonize faster. I have plenty of time, ill waste my gypsum on my substrates. 
thanks for a different idea of production.
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Re: How do you drain your wbs? [Re: Shr00mZ]
#11720918 - 12/26/09 11:13 AM (15 years, 25 days ago) |
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I found that if you take steaming hot grain and lay it out on a window screen over a large container ( i use one of my mono tubs i ain usin) wbs dries in about 20 mins. gotta make sure them seeds are hot though..they'll steam dry quick...the heat and the surface area really do it.
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Re: How do you drain your wbs? [Re: aleoaxis6]
#11720928 - 12/26/09 11:17 AM (15 years, 25 days ago) |
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so if you just do the soak and no simmer, get a big ass pot, bring water to boil, dump in your seed, let it heat up to almost boiling again, dump into coliander, then spread out onto your screen
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Re: How do you drain your wbs? [Re: aleoaxis6]
#11720942 - 12/26/09 11:23 AM (15 years, 25 days ago) |
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i do mine like this
After the 30 min your grains should be fully hydrated. Give them one more rinse then lay them out to dry for usually about an hour. I an using the lid to a large storage container lined with newspaper.

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Re: How do you drain your wbs? [Re: aleoaxis6]
#11720947 - 12/26/09 11:27 AM (15 years, 25 days ago) |
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aleoaxis6 said: so if you just do the soak and no simmer, get a big ass pot, bring water to boil, dump in your seed, let it heat up to almost boiling again, dump into coliander, then spread out onto your screen
yeah. I rinse, soak, rinse, boil, drain, load, pc.
The extra draining time would come from rinsing after boiling. You get a better water content letting it drain when its still boiling hot. But if you rinse it in the sink first, you cool it down a lot and it'll stay a lot wetter longer.
You have to really watch the boil time tho. If you over-cook it, you'll get too many split grains, which later becomes a pita.
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I drain my wbs like breakfast crew. I have a steel strainer i made that fits in my bathtub and a small fan on low on the opposite end.
After the first few minutes nothing is actually draining(most strainers). The remaining water has nothing left to do but evaporate. What i do is go in every 15 minutes and mix the seeds a bit to redistribute moisture, youll notice the seeds on top will dry first.
Like others have mentioned, Ive also noticed that if you dump your seeds after a simmer while still hot, then drying time will be nearly cut in half or more. Just as long as you spread the seed around to remove hot pockets of air/steam to aid in evaporation.
If you soaked only, it will take longer
Something I have noticed with soaking.
IMO the temperature during the soak is the BIGGEST factor.
I have had wbs plump up and nearly go sour in a 36hr room temp soak. At the same time, ive had some wbs outside (40-60f) for about a week with hardly any noticable hydration.
I think this is something that is overlooked when it comes to soaking/simmering teks. Or perhaps im just missing something
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Re: How do you drain your wbs? [Re: m00nshine]
#11721139 - 12/26/09 12:18 PM (15 years, 25 days ago) |
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-Rinse with hot water. -Soak in a 50/50 coffee/water mix for 24 hours. -Rinse thoroughly with hot water. -Drain well in colander for 30 - 60 minutes while shaking/stirring occasionally. -Load jars to just over half way. -PC for 90 min at 15PSI.
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Re: How do you drain your wbs? [Re: nexus1946]
#11721174 - 12/26/09 12:32 PM (15 years, 25 days ago) |
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All i seem to do on the boards these days is reply to WBS threads...
I simmered on my first try and messed up, ended up with slimy/wet grain after pc.
now i just soak for 24hrs+, rinse, dry and pc....perfect every time.
EDIT: Forgot to answer the original question!...I spread the seed out over a rubbermaid lid with a fan blowing over it, mixing it every few mins till all the shiny water coating has evapped off.
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Re: How do you drain your wbs? [Re: Zed]
#11721401 - 12/26/09 01:35 PM (15 years, 25 days ago) |
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I think I simmered mine too long. Some of the seeds split or exploded.
But I dried them out in small strainers and some one a cookie sheet with paper towels. The cookie sheet worked the best. Just put down a layer of paper towels on a flat surface, and spread your birdseed over them in about 1/2-3/4 inch layer. Should dry well in about an hour.
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Re: How do you drain your wbs? [Re: nexus1946]
#11721440 - 12/26/09 01:44 PM (15 years, 25 days ago) |
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nexus1946 said: -Rinse with hot water. -Soak in a 50/50 coffee/water mix for 24 hours. -Rinse thoroughly with hot water. -Drain well in colander for 30 - 60 minutes while shaking/stirring occasionally. -Load jars to just over half way. -PC for 90 min at 15PSI.

If it means skipping a step, I'll have to try this for sure.
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Re: How do you drain your wbs? [Re: anonjon]
#11722284 - 12/26/09 05:17 PM (15 years, 25 days ago) |
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Seems like my jars have a good bit of moisture in them sitting at the bottom, not a big pool, but more than I would like. I'm thinking some water may have gotten into the jars from PCing since the top of the lids were wet when I took them out. I let the seed sit for 2-3 hours and towel dried it, it seemed about right, who knows. I'll keep these to see what happens, it's not like there's a shit ton of moisture in them. It's just frustrating because I do so well with PF TEK. But I do have some jars from my first batch that show some promising progress. So I can't say I've totally failed yet.
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Re: How do you drain your wbs? [Re: m00nshine]
#11722463 - 12/26/09 06:01 PM (15 years, 25 days ago) |
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m00nshine said: Seems like my jars have a good bit of moisture in them sitting at the bottom, not a big pool, but more than I would like. I'm thinking some water may have gotten into the jars from PCing since the top of the lids were wet when I took them out. I let the seed sit for 2-3 hours and towel dried it, it seemed about right, who knows. I'll keep these to see what happens, it's not like there's a shit ton of moisture in them. It's just frustrating because I do so well with PF TEK. But I do have some jars from my first batch that show some promising progress. So I can't say I've totally failed yet.
well my first suggestion if you think wbs is a pain in the ass is to move to rye.
follow RR's rye tek to the T and you wont have a single issue. all the moisture is steamed off the surface of the grains after 20-30 minutes.
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Re: How do you drain your wbs? [Re: Citizen13]
#11723831 - 12/26/09 11:58 PM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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m00nshine said: Seems like my jars have a good bit of moisture in them sitting at the bottom, not a big pool, but more than I would like. I'm thinking some water may have gotten into the jars from PCing since the top of the lids were wet when I took them out.
If you had the lids covered in foil then water should not have gotten in the jars.
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Citizen13 said: all the moisture is steamed off the surface of the grains
It's for this reason alone I rinse with hot water.
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noobieshroomie said: i do mine like this
After the 30 min your grains should be fully hydrated. Give them one more rinse then lay them out to dry for usually about an hour. I an using the lid to a large storage container lined with newspaper.

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i used your tek for some WBS that i fractionally sterilized and the water content seems perrrrfect
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Re: How do you drain your wbs? [Re: rsinatra13]
#11724570 - 12/27/09 04:49 AM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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When you cover your jars in foil for pc'ing...make sure the foil doesnt come down the jar too far, as if the foil is sitting into the water at the bottom of the pc it will draw water up and into the jars when it is cooling (vacuum).
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Re: How do you drain your wbs? [Re: Zed]
#11724918 - 12/27/09 08:11 AM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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Try verm in your final mix. Just prepare as usual soak,simmer,drain, but then dump it back in the pot and mix in 10-15% verm. Mix up very well and load your bags/jars and PC. Works wonders for your WBS moisture content.
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Re: How do you drain your wbs? [Re: dcox420]
#11725475 - 12/27/09 10:44 AM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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but you wont be able to shake to grains; that is why people use grains so you can shake and speed up this process.
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