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InvisibleRandalFlagg
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Nihilistic Rant *Thread moved from PD no flaming please.
    #1171629 - 12/26/02 04:27 PM (14 years, 28 days ago)

The most important aspect of a person's life is what they believe in.
What makes them act as they do? What ideas help them to interpret reality?
I believe in nothing. I believe that there exists no idea or way of life
that has any legitimacy, no matter how seemingly profound it may be.
I am wary of any system of thought that dictates what a person should
think and do. I will not be controlled or influenced by man-made ideas,
because they are nowhere near as signifigant and righteous as God's will.
God is perfect and pure. His will cannot be accurately understood,
expressed, or enacted by people because we are imperfect beings. Because
of this, I do not trust any religion. In summary, nothing that originated
from man is worth believing in and God is impossible to comprehend, therefore
it is pointless to waste my time trying to pursue what I think He wants me to do.
Absolute Truth has never been and never will be known to Man. Anybody that
believes in anything is either deluded, scared, or a fool.

I am terribly pessimistic of the species that I belong to. If there is
one thing that history has proven over and over again, it is that Man builds
or is endowed with great things only to allow them to be destroyed, to be
misused, or to let them decay. With this knowledge, I find it difficult to
justify striving at all.

Such an interesting race we are; capable of such great feats and despicable
actions. Will Man's existence be seen as a great epic, or a pointless
exercise by heavily flawed individuals? I am disheartened by my fellow man,
because in the end we always fail.


Edited by Mr_Mushrooms (12/30/02 08:01 AM)


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Re: Nihilistic Rant [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #1171658 - 12/26/02 04:45 PM (14 years, 28 days ago)

Nihilistic? that world is not known by me, please explain the meaning...maybe ill just go check out dictionary.com

and your rant i did not finish, for it was to long and i, my friend, am to lazy.


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InvisibleRandalFlagg
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Re: Nihilistic Rant [Re: PinkEchoes]
    #1171665 - 12/26/02 04:48 PM (14 years, 28 days ago)

Nihilism:

a. a viewpoint that traditional values and beliefs are unfounded and
that existence is senseless and useless

b. a doctrine that denies any objective ground of truth and especially moral
truths


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Re: Nihilistic Rant [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #1171725 - 12/26/02 05:08 PM (14 years, 28 days ago)

I believe in nothing. I believe that there exists no idea or way of life that has any legitimacy, no matter how seemingly profound it may be.

Randal, I ask the following not as a criticism, but out of real curiosity:

If you believe what you wrote in this post, why do you bother defending (extremely well, I might add) through the rigorous use of logic, a consistent position re individual rights? I find it difficult to believe one who doesn't believe in such a thing could do such a good job of understanding and explaining it. Are you saying you could argue as convincingly the other side of the coin? If not, why not?

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Re: Nihilistic Rant [Re: Phred]
    #1172604 - 12/26/02 09:11 PM (14 years, 28 days ago)

Holy shit that's right!


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Re: Nihilistic Rant [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #1172623 - 12/26/02 09:19 PM (14 years, 28 days ago)

You sound down. Hopefully it is just the Holiday blues.


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Re: Nihilistic Rant [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #1172636 - 12/26/02 09:24 PM (14 years, 28 days ago)

So, wait... you're a nihilist who believes in God? Right...

I will not be controlled or influenced by man-made ideas
Man made God, not the other way around.


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Re: Nihilistic Rant [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #1172645 - 12/26/02 09:26 PM (14 years, 28 days ago)

Will Man's existence be seen as a great epic, or a pointless
exercise by heavily flawed individuals?

Both I think.

There is a dark side dude, it's hard to deal with at first. You'll get over it.

Maybe I've taking you wrong here, but you seem kind of spiritually disheartened from what your witnessing. If this is so, your problem is that you just don't know enough. You will.

Maybe I'm just assuming you are like me. That post of yours pretty much sums up how I felt about stuff a few years ago...

In reply to:

In summary, nothing that originated
from man is worth believing in and God is impossible to comprehend




I mean, that's gold. That's literature, poetry...it says... despair


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Re: Nihilistic Rant [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1172851 - 12/27/02 02:17 AM (14 years, 28 days ago)

I agree with you about Randall's quote. In the future if you or anyone else sees a great statement like that there is a thread in the Literary Forum created just for adding statements made by other Shroomery members. I already added this one to it though.

Cheers,


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Re: Nihilistic Rant [Re: Phred]
    #1172990 - 12/27/02 05:44 AM (14 years, 27 days ago)


I believe in nothing. I believe that there exists no idea or way of life that has any legitimacy, no matter how seemingly profound it may be.


Randal, I ask the following not as a criticism, but out of real curiosity:

If you believe what you wrote in this post, why do you bother defending (extremely well, I might add) through the rigorous use of logic, a consistent position re individual rights? I find it difficult to believe one who doesn't believe in such a thing could do such a good job of understanding and explaining it.


Good question. Why do I espouse and defend certain beliefs, while
simultaneously being possessed by these feelings? I ask myself that
question often.


Are you saying you could argue as convincingly the other side of the coin? If not, why not?


No, I couldn't. Sophistry is not my strongpoint. When I say something, I truly do
mean it and believe in it. But, it's almost as if my mind is just going through the
motions, so to speak. As a human being living in the world, you have to have
formed some opinions of how things are and how things should be. So, I
engage in thinking and pontificating, and I try to think of what avenues of thought
are the closest to being correct. I guess I cling to the ideas and beliefs that sound
sensible to me, but in my head, these nihilistic thoughts still stir. I try to ignore
them, and most of the time I am successful. But, sometimes I am not.

I could make an analogy so that you could understand my predicament easier:
Let's say that you have a shitty car. This car has a lot of problems. Tons of
stuff on it needs replaced. The biggest problem is the engine. It needs replaced
and it will be practically impossible to do so. Instead of acknowledging that the
car has had it or that the engine needs attention, you just keep focusing on the
little insignificant things(headlights, air filters, etc...), and praying that your car
doesn't blow up. To address the engine is just too disheartening, because you
realize that you can't fix it, and nobody can. And, because this vital component of
the car is not in good working order, it affects the rest of the car. But, you
keep focusing on the little insignificant stuff, just so you don't have to deal
with your engine problem. In your heart, you know that it that the car has had it.
Even if it could be fixed, it wouldn't be worth fixing. And, it is inevitable that it will
end up in the junkyard, probably sooner than later.

The biggest problems that we have, are the ones that we usually try to ignore,
because they are so damn hard to address and fix.

The car = Mankind
The little insignifigant stuff = Ideas, beliefs, and theories.
The engine = The most important question; Is there Absolute Truth?

I hope that analogy helped a bit to show you where I am coming from.

I have yet to find an answer or a rebuttal to these thoughts that I have. I don't
want to sound pretentious when I say this, but I think that these thoughts that lurk
in my head, cannot be assuaged by any person. They are unanswerable and
cannot be countered.

RandalFlagg


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Re: Nihilistic Rant [Re: xnevermore]
    #1172999 - 12/27/02 05:50 AM (14 years, 27 days ago)


So, wait... you're a nihilist who believes in God? Right...


I will not be controlled or influenced by man-made ideas


Man made God, not the other way around.


It is a weird peculiarity that I have. I believe in a Creator that is perfect and that
cares for us. Of course, I have no proof of this(nobody does). It is just
something that I believe in. I have analyzed every logical argument against religion
and the belief in God or gods, and I still have the belief.


RandalFlagg


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Re: Nihilistic Rant [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #1173887 - 12/27/02 01:12 PM (14 years, 27 days ago)

a few thoughts...
- If mankind can't solve it's problems mankind will die. when mankind is gone no one will miss us, end of problem.
In reply to:

The most important question -is there absolute truth?



..... well first I have to do the things that need immediate attention, (screaming baby, desperate need to shit etc...) then I get time to do do some choirs (cook, do the dishes, go buy groceries...) third I get to talk to my wife, spen time with my daughter... When I eventually get to thinking I tend to think of things I actually can fix rather than the alleged #1 problem of mankind (my wife disagrees, as I sit here "waisting my time"). People usually need to focus on the daily matters, otherwise nothing would work (imagine the fucking chaos if we all stayed home from work three days to ponder the future of our race...) Some monks, nuns, extremely rich people spend a lot of time thing about the engine of it all. Some have spent their whole life meditating, trying to find the answer. Unfortunately their answers turns out to be shit in the end (my opinion), so why should we spend so much time on something so beyond the human mind?
In reply to:

I will not be controlled or influenced by man-made ideas


....start thinking on what is wrong with that sentence before you move up to the big issues.

Z



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Re: Nihilistic Rant [Re: Zimzum]
    #1174128 - 12/27/02 03:57 PM (14 years, 27 days ago)


In reply to:
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The most important question -is there absolute truth?


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Some monks, nuns, extremely rich people spend a lot of time thing about the engine of it all. Some have spent their whole life meditating, trying to find the answer. Unfortunately their answers turns out to be shit in the end (my opinion),


That was my whole point. The validity of what every person believes
in rests on what their concepts of what Right, Wrong, and Absolute Truth are. I
have stated that Absolute Truth can never be known, therefore this makes
everything in this world devoid of any legitimacy.


so why should we spend so much time on something so beyond the human mind?

Very good point. Why worry myself over something that can never be
understood or known?

"We must love life more than the meaning of it." - Dostoyevksy


In reply to:
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I will not be controlled or influenced by man-made ideas


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....start thinking on what is wrong with that sentence before you move up to the big issues.


What is wrong with that sentence?


RandalFlagg


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Re: Nihilistic Rant [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #1174164 - 12/27/02 04:36 PM (14 years, 27 days ago)

Go listen to Slipknot, you fucking cocksucker.



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Re: Nihilistic Rant [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #1174255 - 12/27/02 05:25 PM (14 years, 27 days ago)

In reply to:

What is wrong with that sentence?



I can't think of any ideas that aren't man made, can you? So what will you be influenced by.


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Re: Nihilistic Rant [Re: bivalve]
    #1174257 - 12/27/02 05:26 PM (14 years, 27 days ago)

In reply to:

Go listen to Slipknot


Why?


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Re: Nihilistic Rant [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #1174395 - 12/27/02 10:44 PM (14 years, 27 days ago)

That was my whole point. The validity of what every person believes rests on what their concepts of what Right, Wrong, and Absolute Truth are

I think limiting yourself to ideas like right and wrong is locking yourself into meanings, definitions and a language structure that bears no relation to the human mind. When you free yourself from language constructs like right and wrong I think the truth becomes self-evident. Language can't begin to approach the nature of human reality, it's just a very, very poor and shallow approximation.


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Re: Nihilistic Rant [Re: Skikid16]
    #1174427 - 12/27/02 11:27 PM (14 years, 27 days ago)

As skikid said, no ideas aren't man made...that was my point.

It is good to have a critical mind, but figuring out everything yourself is often improductive. (why look from a pile of shit when we can stand on the sholders of giants...)

Z


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Re: Nihilistic Rant [Re: bivalve]
    #1174584 - 12/28/02 04:07 AM (14 years, 27 days ago)


Go listen to Slipknot, you fucking cocksucker.

Shut the fuck up.


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Re: Nihilistic Rant [Re: Skikid16]
    #1174591 - 12/28/02 04:16 AM (14 years, 26 days ago)


I can't think of any ideas that aren't man made, can you? So what will you be
influenced by.


Exactly. All of the ideas that we are exposed to were created by people. What
is "right", "correct", and "true" differs vastly from person to person and from
culture to culture. People are imperfect. Therefore, there is not one thing that has
originated from Man that can lay claim to being 100% correct and true. And, this
causes a dilemma in me because it makes me think that nothing is worth
believing in.

RandalFlagg


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