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xbrutalx233
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: danielx]
#11713553 - 12/24/09 06:23 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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danielx said: now cite sources for your original claim, then I can stand corrected.
Are you still arguing? It's quite obvious RR knows what he is talking about, he's proven it many times... There's no shame in just admitting you were wrong. It's better than looking ridiculous. Heat obviously releases nutrients. What more do you need.
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danielx
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: xbrutalx233]
#11713576 - 12/24/09 06:27 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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lycopene in fruits is quite different then mushrooms. I want to see the flat out evidence, then ill have learned something new and stand corrected.
misinformation often gets passed around because one person says it. If there is truth to this, then I want to see the facts. I don't want to see opinions.
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Citizen13
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: xbrutalx233]
#11713584 - 12/24/09 06:27 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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that heat releases nutrients?
this is what you said:
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danielx said: thats common sense?  since when does pasteurization break something down? And im not sure where anyone here claimed to know alot about mushroom cultivation. my beef is with people making uncited claims and toted it as science.
and then he cited many many sources that showed that it does.
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: Citizen13]
#11713597 - 12/24/09 06:30 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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". By 'cooking', we release more of what the mycelium needs. Performance is almost always better on pasteurized bulk substrates than on non-pasteurized."
What does it release? If mycelium needs it somebody should know.
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xbrutalx233
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: danielx]
#11713601 - 12/24/09 06:32 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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danielx said: ". By 'cooking', we release more of what the mycelium needs. Performance is almost always better on pasteurized bulk substrates than on non-pasteurized."
What does it release? If mycelium needs it somebody should know.
Does it really matter WHAT it releases? We've learned it releases something, now you are just refusing to give up an argument... which is cool, you should join a debate team.
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danielx
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: xbrutalx233]
#11713617 - 12/24/09 06:35 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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of course it matters. How else am I suppose to believe you, besides just taking your word for it?
until someone shows me proof that pasteurizing substrate releases nutrients mycelium needs im done in this thread.
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: danielx]
#11713657 - 12/24/09 06:44 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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he wouldn't last two seconds on a debate team. he's the kind of person that wouldn't believe the sun was hot unless you stuck him on a rocket and blasted him into it
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Citizen13
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: coldeye]
#11713690 - 12/24/09 06:53 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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obviously you've never been on a debate team or you wouldn't be using the old "Misplaced Burden of Proof" fallacy.
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: coldeye]
#11713712 - 12/24/09 07:00 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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coldeye said: he wouldn't last two seconds on a debate team. he's the kind of person that wouldn't believe the sun was hot unless you stuck him on a rocket and blasted him into it 
I was just being sarcastic haha... The suns hot? since when?
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danielx
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: xbrutalx233]
#11713737 - 12/24/09 07:06 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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I never made a claim. I only asked to see sources and proof for their claim. thats all i want.
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: danielx]
#11713751 - 12/24/09 07:10 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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danielx said: I never made a claim. I only asked to see sources and proof for their claim. thats all i want.
Maybe they don't know why. Maybe it's just something they learned from experience. Just like humans learned meat and fire is a wonderful combination many eons ago. Maybe you should try it yourself and see if pasteurization yields better results?
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: anonjon]
#11713774 - 12/24/09 07:16 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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good point. Science is an ever changing subject, and thats why im open to believing it. Infact I want to stand corrected. Although I dont think healthy skeptcism is a bad thing, especially when people are telling you to just use faith and believe it without showing any real proof. thats all i ever wanted to begin with.
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: danielx]
#11713779 - 12/24/09 07:18 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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danielx said: good point. Science is an ever changing subject, and thats why im open to believing it. Infact I want to stand corrected. Although I dont think healthy skeptcism is a bad thing, especially when people are telling you to just use faith and believe it without showing any real proof. thats all i ever wanted to begin with. 
I'm just happy you are not an ass about it... I understand where you are coming from but like anonjon stated, give it a try and find out.
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: xbrutalx233]
#11714069 - 12/24/09 08:46 PM (15 years, 26 days ago) |
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I love these threads because it makes it painfully obvious who to put on ignore.
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: sansa]
#11714124 - 12/24/09 09:01 PM (15 years, 26 days ago) |
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xbrutalx233
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: sansa]
#11714223 - 12/24/09 09:24 PM (15 years, 26 days ago) |
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sansa said: I love these threads because it makes it painfully obvious who to put on ignore.
Nothing ignore worthy yet, just a guy asking questions... Which through taking mushrooms I've learned is never a bad thing... As long as your not an asshole I say " what's the problem"
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avorg
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: sansa]
#11714560 - 12/24/09 10:59 PM (15 years, 26 days ago) |
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sansa said: I love these threads because it makes it painfully obvious who to put on ignore.

for real.
@danielx
http://www.oystermushrooms.net/chap2.pdf
read page 2, labeled as page 14, I think the third paragraph. you will see that this idea is, or at least I thought, common knowledge(among avid cultivators).
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danielx
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: avorg]
#11714604 - 12/24/09 11:07 PM (15 years, 26 days ago) |
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that entire PDF file was about how you pasteurize not sterilize, to leave the beneficial organisms to multiply while getting rid of harmful organisms. This I know and agree with. Although to my understanding that wasn't what we were debating. What we were debating was that the pasteurization process adds nutrients that are needed by the mushrooms. And so back to my original question- show me the proof that states this to be true.
No need to get nasty and start ignoring me because I have healthy skepticism. There is nothing wrong with questioning a theory. Ignoring me shows your immaturity, but so be it.
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So the purpose of pasteurization is not to get rid of all organisms, but to get rid of those that compete with the mushrooms and to INCREASE the organisms that discourage diseases
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avorg
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: danielx]
#11714657 - 12/24/09 11:19 PM (15 years, 26 days ago) |
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you can't be serious...
since you so obviously didn't read I'll paste what it says so everyone can see word for word:
The greater production on pasteurized substrate is due to the organisms left after pasteurization and because those organisms use the hemicellulose. In using the hemicellulose, the beneficial organisms that are left after pasteurization multiply. The organisms that have multiplied form a kind of food that the mushrooms can use. That is, oyster mushrooms “eat” the organisms that have grown on the hemicellulose that the mushrooms could not use directly. There are indications that organisms, which are left after pasteurization provide much of the nitrogen required by the mushrooms. They may fix nitrogen from the atmosphere. So the purpose of pasteurization is not to get rid of all organisms, but to get rid of those that compete with the mushrooms and to INCREASE the organisms that discourage diseases, consume hemicellulose, provide nitrogen, and become food for the mushrooms.
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avorg
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: avorg]
#11714687 - 12/24/09 11:25 PM (15 years, 26 days ago) |
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RogerRabbit:
I can only imagine the amount of shit like this you must have caught over the years.
danielx:
Though some theories are debatable, some facts are not. When you have people with more experience, knowledge, and by the look of it patience, than you, you would be wise to heed their advice. At least do some minimal research before making sophomoric claims that could only be seen as belligerent after long enough. Yes this is a somewhat open forum, but when people act in such a way as you are, it often becomes closed(to them). 
If you actually read all that, than bravo. Let me guess, you're more enraged? That's not what you should be. You should be humbled, hopefully enough to JUST ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG - believe me you'll feel better, if not better liked.
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