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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: Optx]
    #11712728 - 12/24/09 03:29 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I have seen what happens when its not pasteurized it works every time. I do know what im talking about. And I don't spread misinformation. Take a look at my rating my info has help alot of people :thumbup: Thats alot more then I can say for yours. I have lots of experience with growing mushrooms different species and keeping a success rate at around 99%. Maybe you can learn from some of my posts http://www.shroomery.org/forums/dosearch.php?namebox=198990


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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: Optx]
    #11712751 - 12/24/09 03:33 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Just hydrate it and get it to field capacity there is no need to pasteurize or sterilize it




WTF? most coir has trich added to it. go ahead and don't pasteurize it and see what happens.
if you have no idea what you're talking about, please do not give advice. all you're doing is spreading misinformation and confusing the noobs.
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Um, only one or two brands of coir have trichoderma added to them, and those say specifically on the packaging that they have molds and bacteria added for plant growth.  Most coir does not have anything added to it.  A lot of the people around here buy the coir made for reptile bedding, which would not have a mold added to it.


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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: Shea25]
    #11712760 - 12/24/09 03:33 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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I have seen what happens when its not pasteurized it works every time. I do know what im talking about. And I don't spread misinformation. Take a look at my rating my info has help alot of people :thumbup: Thats alot more then I can say for yours. I have lots of experience with growing mushrooms different species and keeping a success rate at around 99%. Maybe you can learn from some of my posts http://www.shroomery.org/forums/dosearch.php?namebox=198990




you are a moron. most coir has trich, all bulk subs should be pasteurized. also, stick your ratings up your ass. and i'm done with this thread.


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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: Optx]
    #11712782 - 12/24/09 03:36 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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I have seen what happens when its not pasteurized it works every time. I do know what im talking about. And I don't spread misinformation. Take a look at my rating my info has help alot of people :thumbup: Thats alot more then I can say for yours. I have lots of experience with growing mushrooms different species and keeping a success rate at around 99%. Maybe you can learn from some of my posts http://www.shroomery.org/forums/dosearch.php?namebox=198990




you are a moron. most coir has trich, all bulk subs should be pasteurized. also, stick your ratings up your ass. and i'm done with this thread.



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I have seen what happens when its not pasteurized it works every time. I do know what im talking about. And I don't spread misinformation. Take a look at my rating my info has help alot of people :thumbup: Thats alot more then I can say for yours. I have lots of experience with growing mushrooms different species and keeping a success rate at around 99%. Maybe you can learn from some of my posts http://www.shroomery.org/forums/dosearch.php?namebox=198990




you are a moron. most coir has trich, all bulk subs should be pasteurized. also, stick your ratings up your ass. and i'm done with this thread.




never have i seen trich on any of my coir



so if most coir has trich on it, then i wonder why i get so lucky?


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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: Citizen13]
    #11712793 - 12/24/09 03:38 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe he buys the special coir with trich added :lmafo: lol and he calls me the moron :facepalm:


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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: cowfodder]
    #11712837 - 12/24/09 03:46 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

like I said, all just speculation. I hate hearing speculative theories passed off as scientific facts.


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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: Shea25]
    #11712854 - 12/24/09 03:50 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

The reason I pasturize mine is that I use gypsum, verm, coffee and I feel better about that. Plus it does store in the container for a couple days if I can't get to it right away.


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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: mister]
    #11712868 - 12/24/09 03:52 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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The reason I pasturize mine is that I use gypsum, verm, coffee and I feel better about that. Plus it does store in the container for a couple days if I can't get to it right away.




for sure! especially with the coffee added. you HAVE to pasteurize that.

anyone that has ever forgot about a used coffee filter in their coffee maker can attest to how fast mold will grow on it :laugh:


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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: danielx]
    #11712874 - 12/24/09 03:53 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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like I said, all just speculation. I hate hearing speculative theories passed off as scientific facts.




Well start by looking up all the coir grows on here and then tell us how many pasturize and how many don't. Then tell us how many contamed and how many did not. Then give us flush weights for them and compare. Argue your point with facts and numbers and not talk, since you are the one who dis-likes speculation.


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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: mister]
    #11712888 - 12/24/09 03:55 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Science is found through trial and error as well. First a hypothesis is made, then the trial and error (which there is plenty to find here), then the findings are reported and made into fact. The process of science right here.


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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: mister]
    #11713001 - 12/24/09 04:15 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

your preaching to the choir, I pasteurize all my substrates. The burden of proof is on the person making the claims.


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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: danielx]
    #11713138 - 12/24/09 04:42 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Just hydrate it and get it to field capacity there is no need to pasteurize or sterilize it




RR was saying the other day that pastuerizing coir unlocks nutrients within.

:shrug:

just repeating what he said, don't quote me on that.




thats retarded if he said that. just more bs speculation im sure. Although i always pasteurize all my substrates to be on the safe side. :thumbup:




I speak from experience based on nearly four decades of mushroom growing, which I freely share with others.  If that's not good enough, you're free to disregard it.


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The burden of proof is on the person making the claims.



Exactly.  That places the burden of proof is on you to prove the above is retarded bs speculation.  I think we're all curious what part about the commonly accepted science of heat breaking down cell structure to make it easier to digest you don't understand.  Apparently you don't cook your food?
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #11713142 - 12/24/09 04:43 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #11713186 - 12/24/09 04:57 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I cook my food so I don't get food poisoning. Not because it magically adds nutrients. I can understand pasteurizing to avoid contams. That was never the original contention though.

I guess I just like to see more then anecdotal evidence. Actually, I haven't even seen that yet. Like i said, the burden of proof is on you. If the proof is your word, then :shrug:


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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: danielx]
    #11713231 - 12/24/09 05:08 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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I cook my food so I don't get food poisoning. Not because it magically adds nutrients. I can understand pasteurizing to avoid contams. That was never the original contention though.

I guess I just like to see more then anecdotal evidence. Actually, I haven't even seen that yet. Like i said, the burden of proof is on you. If the proof is your word, then :shrug:




thats argument is fallacy 101.

he said something that most take as truth, and you disputed it.

burden of proof is on you my friend.


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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: Citizen13]
    #11713275 - 12/24/09 05:16 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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I cook my food so I don't get food poisoning. Not because it magically adds nutrients. I can understand pasteurizing to avoid contams. That was never the original contention though.

I guess I just like to see more then anecdotal evidence. Actually, I haven't even seen that yet. Like i said, the burden of proof is on you. If the proof is your word, then :shrug:




thats argument is fallacy 101.

he said something that most take as truth, and you disputed it.

burden of proof is on you my friend.




most take as truth? like who? Maybe im not as versed in the subject as you citizen. If its truth, and everyone knows its truth. then there should be no problem citing your sources and showing relevant proof. im still waiting on it.


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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: Optx]
    #11713388 - 12/24/09 05:36 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I am pretty sure the heat breaks down the material enough so the mushroom can feed off of it with more ease...
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I have seen what happens when its not pasteurized it works every time. I do know what im talking about. And I don't spread misinformation. Take a look at my rating my info has help alot of people :thumbup: Thats alot more then I can say for yours. I have lots of experience with growing mushrooms different species and keeping a success rate at around 99%. Maybe you can learn from some of my posts http://www.shroomery.org/forums/dosearch.php?namebox=198990




you are a moron. most coir has trich, all bulk subs should be pasteurized. also, stick your ratings up your ass. and i'm done with this thread.




I've used several brands of coir and none I've ever seen has trich... So, I think you should educate yourself a little better before you go around calling people morons.


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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: danielx]
    #11713517 - 12/24/09 06:14 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Like some other nutrients, lycopene is locked within the fibrous portions of fruits and vegetables. Cooking actually releases the lycopene in tomatoes, for example, so that cooked pasta sauce will be a richer source of lycopene than the raw tomatoes on your salad.



The above taken from http://www.britannica.com/bps/additionalcontent/18/35949053/Recipe-for-Maximum-Nutrition

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Scientists are finding that various methods of cooking veggies—from boiling carrots to steaming broccoli—can actually boost certain nutrients. "Some of the healthiest plant pigments in vegetables are released only when they're cooked," says Elizabeth Johnson, Ph.D., a scientist at the Friedman School of Nutrition Science and Policy at Tufts University. "You get more carotenoids, for example, from steamed spinach than from a spinach salad."



The above taken from: http://health.msn.com/nutrition/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100248585

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Raw veg is no answer, however: cooking can release nutrients that your body would otherwise be unable to absorb.



The above quote taken from: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bloom/actions/cookingtips.shtml

There's 63,985 more hits related my search query of "does cooking releases nutrients in food?", but those should make the point.  Remember, if you're in doubt about something, Google can often answer your question without a pissing match.
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #11713520 - 12/24/09 06:15 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

lol i made the same search query but when all those hits came up i just said fuck it.


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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #11713527 - 12/24/09 06:17 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

now cite sources for your original claim, then I can stand corrected.


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