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Re: Do you believe there will be a UFO / ET disclosure soon?? [Re: Tranquil Toad]
    #11714730 - 12/24/09 11:37 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Psilocybeingzz said:
I think we're not worth visiting.
Seriously consider this.
We have almost killed off most of the species again.(6th great extinction)
We have raped most of our forests. Our oceans and rivers are in a sorry state....
And thousands of children die every day while we burn through the last of our fuel.

We don't deserve "visitors" and as much as I want help,
I'm not so sure it should even be offered.




If they are as advanced spiritually as they are technologically, I would imagine we would not be viewed as some hopeless planet to be left to it's own demise, but as brothers and equals in creation who are going through a very challenging process of growth. And how exciting it must be to watch the drama of Earth unfold!

I agree with Shroomism that there is probably some sort of quarantine in effect that will allow us to work through our own problems. How can we be expected to function if they just land and implant us with knowledge and technology when we do not have the maturity to process and use it wisely?




I love this! This is how we as a people need to think. Such an
exciting time we live in.


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Re: Do you believe there will be a UFO / ET disclosure soon?? [Re: Tranquil Toad]
    #11714737 - 12/24/09 11:37 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe humans and all life are a seed planted by aliens, maybe some kind of experiment for them. Maybe they planted consciousness in humans. Maybe they are humans from the past who have mastered space and time.. Maybe they are humans from the future! I am open minded about stuff like this but I need EVIDENCE... and the fact that there is not a single shred of 100% evidence makes me skeptical about the subject.

I would love to believe that aliens have and are visiting us. But until it is a fact that aliens do exist and visit us... until I actually see an alien with my own eyes... I will remain a skeptic


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Re: Do you believe there will be a UFO / ET disclosure soon?? [Re: danlennon3]
    #11714761 - 12/24/09 11:45 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I understand that you like most need absolute proof of
these things.

There is actually a theory on this subject that most of us did
come from alien seed. Apparently african americans are the only
true species on the planet. Do i believe this? Not sure. But apparently
Asians, Whites, Hispanics whatever other came about around the same time.
If tht is true then what other cause could there be? Like I said. I do not know if this is the truth. But who am I to second guess it?


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Re: Do you believe there will be a UFO / ET disclosure soon?? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #11714774 - 12/24/09 11:50 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Do you believe there will be a UFO / ET disclosure soon?? [Re: Tranquil Toad]
    #11714779 - 12/24/09 11:51 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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danlennon3 said:
Maybe humans and all life are a seed planted by aliens, maybe some kind of experiment for them. Maybe they planted consciousness in humans. Maybe they are humans from the past who have mastered space and time.. Maybe they are humans from the future! I am open minded about stuff like this but I need EVIDENCE... and the fact that there is not a single shred of 100% evidence makes me skeptical about the subject.

I would love to believe that aliens have and are visiting us. But until it is a fact that aliens do exist and visit us... until I actually see an alien with my own eyes... I will remain a skeptic




how else can you explain these things?  i don't believe for  a second that they are human, having seen some myself..  but i like the theory that aliens on some level could actually be our creators  :syringe:


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If they are as advanced spiritually as they are technologically, I would imagine we would not be viewed as some hopeless planet to be left to it's own demise, but as brothers and equals in creation who are going through a very challenging process of growth. And how exciting it must be to watch the drama of Earth unfold!
..
I agree with Shroomism that there is probably some sort of quarantine in effect that will allow us to work through our own problems. How can we be expected to function if they just land and implant us with knowledge and technology when we do not have the maturity to process and use it wisely?





I used to think aliens were spiritual beings, but wouldn't that contradict- abducting humans and doing experiments on them?    im a little paranoid that these things could be hostile, but then that begs the question- what is the hold up? maybe the people flying these things have intense debate and law on how to handle our planet....     

there is also the possibility they want to help us, but that would again give me the question- why don't they show themselves world wide and make some sort of offer....

it would be funny if  alien invasion  mythology turned out to be true in the future, but that would also mean we are all fucked... the Government doesn't stand a chance against these things with the ufo's technology  but maybe this could also mean a new Government.. 

the possibilities  are endless  :leaf:


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Re: Do you believe there will be a UFO / ET disclosure soon?? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #11714782 - 12/24/09 11:53 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

It is a fascinating topic. and once I felt I was abducted by an alien, it felt 100% real. But I was on LSD and a HEAVY dose of ketamine! I know for a fact that this experience was not an alien abduction, but it was SOOOO real at the time! I know this is off-topic but I just wanted to talk about it:smirk:


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Re: Do you believe there will be a UFO / ET disclosure soon?? [Re: deCypher]
    #11714810 - 12/24/09 11:57 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Right, and technology that was once thought to be impossible is now used every day.




Meaningless, and typical, crackpot response.  The vast majority of technology once thought to be impossible remains impossible today and will likley always be impossible.  Regardless, what somebody in the past thought about what is possible and how right or wrong he or she was is irrelevant - it has nothing to do with space travel, aliens intelligence and the vastness of space.  Similarly, what ancient Americans thought about the ocean and canoes is completey irreverent.  We are not ancient Americans, space is not the ocean, and you cant travel to other planets in canoes.

Finally, I know you have alot of faith in the technological singularity but frankly, thats ridiculous.  At least the way you have poised it.  Technology may approximate exponential growth in our small slice of time, but there is absolutely no reason or evidence to assume that it can grow without bound exponentially.  There is every reason and much evidence to suggest there is a limit to technology based on the inherent properties of space and thus technology grows in a logistic rather than exponential fashion.


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Re: Do you believe there will be a UFO / ET disclosure soon?? [Re: DieCommie]
    #11714847 - 12/25/09 12:04 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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The vast majority of technology once thought to be impossible remains impossible today and will likley always be impossible.




Based on what?  Supposing that you're right that what someone in the past thought about what is possible is irrelevant, it therefore follows that what we think currently about what is possible is also irrelevant in comparison to a physicist several hundred years in the future.  We have a better likelihood of being right, sure, but this does not guarantee that we know everything at this present moment.

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Finally, I know you have alot of faith in the technological singularity but frankly, thats ridiculous.  At least the way you have poised it.  Technology may approximate exponential growth in our small slice of time, but there is absolutely no reason or evidence to assume that it can grow without bound exponentially.  There is every reason and much evidence to suggest there is a limit to technology based on the inherent properties of space and thus technology grows in a logistic rather than exponential fashion.




I agree that the progress of technology must halt eventually but so far all we've seen is exponential growth... I find it much more likely that this growth will continue to the point where our advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic a ala Clarke rather than stop at our current level.


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Re: Do you believe there will be a UFO / ET disclosure soon?? [Re: skatealex2]
    #11714907 - 12/25/09 12:12 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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I used to think aliens were spiritual beings, but wouldn't that contradict- abducting humans and doing experiments on them?    im a little paranoid that these things could be hostile, but then that begs the question- what is the hold up? maybe the people flying these things have intense debate and law on how to handle our planet....     

there is also the possibility they want to help us, but that would again give me the question- why don't they show themselves world wide and make some sort of offer....




Making generalizations about aliens is probably just as silly as making generalizations about humans. Some may be mindless drones existing as members of a hive mind, and other may be beings on the verge of enlightenment. Both types could be active on earth.

We are most likely limited by our view of reality when we try and imagine these things. What if our existence on earth is a sort of self imposed process that our souls go through for the sake of growth? It would be very inappropriate for any E.T civilization which is aware of this to just reveal themselves and bail us out, as the whole point may be to see if we can pull ourselves out of the mess we are in through our own efforts.

We really don't know anything. So much speculation based on some flying discs and lights in the sky.


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Re: Do you believe there will be a UFO / ET disclosure soon?? [Re: Tranquil Toad]
    #11714920 - 12/25/09 12:14 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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I used to think aliens were spiritual beings, but wouldn't that contradict- abducting humans and doing experiments on them?




Both angels and demons are spiritual beings, you know.


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Re: Do you believe there will be a UFO / ET disclosure soon?? [Re: deCypher]
    #11714922 - 12/25/09 12:15 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Supposing that you're right that what someone in the past thought about what is possible is irrelevant, it therefore follows that what we think currently about what is possible is also irrelevant in comparison to a physicist several hundred years in the future.  We have a better likelihood of being right, sure, but this does not guarantee that we know everything at this present moment.




You're missing the point.  You are making arguments on the fallacy of man, not the issue of the feasibility of interstellar travel.  Of course man has been wrong before, that doesn't make space travel any more feasible.  This is a variation of the classic Galileo fallacy:  'They laughed at Galileo and he was right, they are laughing at me - I must be right!'.  It doesn't work that way.




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I find it much more likely that this growth will continue to the point where our advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic a ala Clarke rather than stop at our current level.




I think we passed that point many years ago.  To the uneducated, modern technology would be like (or surpass) magic.


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Re: Do you believe there will be a UFO / ET disclosure soon?? [Re: DieCommie]
    #11714943 - 12/25/09 12:21 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Of course man has been wrong before, that doesn't make space travel any more feasible.




I think you're probably right in that matter can't break the light speed barrier but I'd speculate that advanced extraterrestrials wouldn't use matter to travel; maybe they would have already transcended to some sort of extradimensional mental existence?


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Re: Do you believe there will be a UFO / ET disclosure soon?? [Re: Tranquil Toad]
    #11714952 - 12/25/09 12:23 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Some may be mindless drones existing as members of a hive mind




That's the exact impression I have about these entities. If some of the reports I've heard are true, then it seems these aliens are almost like a bee hive or ant colony with super intelligence. They may work as a collective consciousness rather than individuals. Some people report that these beings can speak telepathically and mindscan people. If this is true, then they probably communicate with each other the same way. It's almost like one big super computer is linking the smaller individual computers into one huge organism.


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Re: Do you believe there will be a UFO / ET disclosure soon?? [Re: deCypher]
    #11714958 - 12/25/09 12:24 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Tranquil Toad said:

Making generalizations about aliens is probably just as silly as making generalizations about humans. Some may be mindless drones existing as members of a hive mind, and other may be beings on the verge of enlightenment. Both types could be active on earth.




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deCypher said:

Both angels and demons are spiritual beings, you know.






good points!    we certainly can't generalize ufo's.....    and that makes it even harder to imagine what their motives could be.  i cant imagine the difference between an enlightened ufo  or a mindless drone member...  :mushroom2:

i also wonder if any type of ufo is more likely to abduct someone... the mindless drones or the enlightened ones... i imagine it is tempting for a ufo going on a solo mission


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Re: Do you believe there will be a UFO / ET disclosure soon?? [Re: skatealex2]
    #11714976 - 12/25/09 12:30 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

please keep it going guys. im off to bed im sorry to say. have a safe x-mas if you celebrate it
that is.


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Re: Do you believe there will be a UFO / ET disclosure soon?? [Re: deCypher]
    #11715022 - 12/25/09 12:40 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I still fail to see how that is relevant.  We could go all night throwing out hypotheticals.  Stating a hypothetical isnt evidence of anything.

(Also, remember that relativity doesnt just restrict matter to sub light speeds, it restricts any and all information to sub light speeds - including any communication/observation/interaction with transcended extraterrestrials like in Clarke's books.  Unless you abandon causality or the postulates of relativity, which would just be more hypotheticals)


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Re: Do you believe there will be a UFO / ET disclosure soon?? [Re: DieCommie]
    #11715033 - 12/25/09 12:43 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

IDK man I'm just trying to rationally explain experiences that people have had with apparently external entities.  :rocket:


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Re: Do you believe there will be a UFO / ET disclosure soon?? [Re: deCypher]
    #11715059 - 12/25/09 12:50 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Ha! I dont believe that for a second.


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Re: Do you believe there will be a UFO / ET disclosure soon?? [Re: deCypher]
    #11715062 - 12/25/09 12:50 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Really, I don't know what I believe. But I can tell you that I'm pretty fascinated by the stuff. The whole Roswell thing along with Bob Lazar got me interested a long time ago.


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Re: Do you believe there will be a UFO / ET disclosure soon?? [Re: deCypher]
    #11715065 - 12/25/09 12:50 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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I still fail to see how that is relevant.  We could go all night throwing out hypotheticals.  Stating a hypothetical isnt evidence of anything.

(Also, remember that relativity doesnt just restrict matter to sub light speeds, it restricts any and all information to sub light speeds - including any communication/observation/interaction with transcended extraterrestrials like in Clarke's books.  Unless you abandon causality or the postulates of relativity, which would just be more hypotheticals)




There is quantum non-locality. Particle A can effect particle B at a distance instantaneously at a distance, faster than the speed of light.


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