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pftek
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Preparing Coir - Any reason???
#11711857 - 12/24/09 12:52 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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Any reason to pour it into a bucket rather than just keep it in the pressure cooker and sealing it off?
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Shea25
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: pftek]
#11711870 - 12/24/09 12:54 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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Just hydrate it and get it to field capacity there is no need to pasteurize or sterilize it
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Thyrax
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: Shea25]
#11711963 - 12/24/09 01:10 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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Shea25 said: Just hydrate it and get it to field capacity there is no need to pasteurize or sterilize it
yeah ive had success hydrating coir in very hot water and not pasteurizing it. But I always prefer to be on the safe side anyway.
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: pftek]
#11712009 - 12/24/09 01:18 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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i use my pressure cooker all the time instead of a bucket, with the lid sealed.works great.less cleanup.
im sure one of the older folk stuck in their ways are gonna come on here saying you have to hydrate and bake it to maintain core pasteurization temps.ive done over 100 monotubs with only two contams before the fifth flush.you do the math.
boil water right in pressure cooker, additives poured in and stirred, coir dropped in, lid on.
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mister
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: christdriver]
#11712371 - 12/24/09 02:28 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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I just boil water for 2 bricks at once and put everything for the 2 in a 5 gallon bucket, put in bricks, additives and then the boiling water. Then put the lid on and set the tub up the next day.
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Citizen13
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Registered: 11/01/09
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: Shea25]
#11712449 - 12/24/09 02:41 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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Shea25 said: Just hydrate it and get it to field capacity there is no need to pasteurize or sterilize it
RR was saying the other day that pastuerizing coir unlocks nutrients within.

just repeating what he said, don't quote me on that.
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: mister]
#11712502 - 12/24/09 02:52 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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mister said: I just boil water for 2 bricks at once and put everything for the 2 in a 5 gallon bucket, put in bricks, additives and then the boiling water. Then put the lid on and set the tub up the next day.
This is the way I do it also, doing it this way you don't have to worry about storing what you have left over it is already in a storage container. CH
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danielx
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: Citizen13]
#11712513 - 12/24/09 02:54 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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Citizen13 said:
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Shea25 said: Just hydrate it and get it to field capacity there is no need to pasteurize or sterilize it
RR was saying the other day that pastuerizing coir unlocks nutrients within.

just repeating what he said, don't quote me on that.
thats retarded if he said that. just more bs speculation im sure. Although i always pasteurize all my substrates to be on the safe side.
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Citizen13
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: danielx]
#11712554 - 12/24/09 03:00 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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here is the post for reference:
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RogerRabbit said: All bulk substrates including coir should be pasteurized. There's more to pasteurization than just killing mold spores. By 'cooking', we release more of what the mycelium needs. Performance is almost always better on pasteurized bulk substrates than on non-pasteurized.
I've often said coir can be used with no heat treatment, but that's more in answer to someone with green mold on their tray. My point is that it's the spawn which was contaminated, not the coir. You'll find performance is better if you'll pasteurize the coir. RR
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: Citizen13]
#11712586 - 12/24/09 03:05 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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more of what the myc needs? My problem with RR is that he never cites any sources or evidence. he just throws shit out there. What is more there? Why is it more there? Why is it not there before pasteurization?
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cowfodder
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: danielx]
#11712596 - 12/24/09 03:07 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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danielx said:
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Citizen13 said:
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Shea25 said: Just hydrate it and get it to field capacity there is no need to pasteurize or sterilize it
RR was saying the other day that pastuerizing coir unlocks nutrients within.

just repeating what he said, don't quote me on that.
thats retarded if he said that. just more bs speculation im sure. Although i always pasteurize all my substrates to be on the safe side. 
Yeah, because thermal breakdown of plant cell walls is completely unknown? Most rigid, woody plant fibers need some sort of processing to be biologically available to a lot of organisms. He doesn't cite sources because it's common fucking sense.
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Citizen13
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: cowfodder]
#11712603 - 12/24/09 03:09 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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danielx
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: cowfodder]
#11712605 - 12/24/09 03:10 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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thats common sense?
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danielx
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: danielx]
#11712630 - 12/24/09 03:14 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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not that I buy it anyway. Composting and heating a substrate up for an hour are two different things.
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cowfodder
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: danielx]
#11712641 - 12/24/09 03:15 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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danielx said: thats common sense? 
That a coprophilic mushroom would have an easier time digesting a woody substance that had already been partially broken down by heat? Yeah, I'd think that anyone who would claim to know a lot about mushroom cultivation would find that to be common sense.
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danielx
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: cowfodder]
#11712655 - 12/24/09 03:17 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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cowfodder said:
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danielx said: thats common sense? 
That a coprophilic mushroom would have an easier time digesting a woody substance that had already been partially broken down by heat? Yeah, I'd think that anyone who would claim to know a lot about mushroom cultivation would find that to be common sense.

since when does pasteurization break something down? And im not sure where anyone here claimed to know alot about mushroom cultivation. my beef is with people making uncited claims and toted it as science.
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Optx
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: Shea25]
#11712710 - 12/24/09 03:27 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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Shea25 said: Just hydrate it and get it to field capacity there is no need to pasteurize or sterilize it
WTF? most coir has trich added to it. go ahead and don't pasteurize it and see what happens. if you have no idea what you're talking about, please do not give advice. all you're doing is spreading misinformation and confusing the noobs.
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Thyrax
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: Citizen13]
#11712717 - 12/24/09 03:28 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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Optx
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: danielx]
#11712726 - 12/24/09 03:29 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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danielx said: since when does pasteurization break something down? And im not sure where anyone here claimed to know alot about mushroom cultivation. my beef is with people making uncited claims and toted it as science.
are you really asking since when does heat break something down? seriously? this is a joke right?
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cowfodder
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Re: Preparing Coir - Any reason??? [Re: danielx]
#11712727 - 12/24/09 03:29 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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danielx said:
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cowfodder said:
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danielx said: thats common sense? 
That a coprophilic mushroom would have an easier time digesting a woody substance that had already been partially broken down by heat? Yeah, I'd think that anyone who would claim to know a lot about mushroom cultivation would find that to be common sense.

since when does pasteurization break something down? And im not sure where anyone here claimed to know alot about mushroom cultivation. my beef is with people making uncited claims and toted it as science.
Well, off the top of my head, and I'm saying this is possibly what RR could have meant, pasteurization temperatures are around 150-170 degrees. Enzymatic breakdown of complex sugars into easily digestible sugars occurs at 152-174 degrees. The whole point of pasteurization over sterilization is too keep beneficial bacteria alive, while killing off any destructive molds. These beneficial bacteria survive by enzymatically breaking down complex sugars and starches into simple sugars, ergo, pasteurizing coir helps to break it down into something more easily digested by a coprophilic mushroom. This is just educated speculation, and as I don't feel like arguing, and I've got to leave for my Great-Grandmother's house, I'm going to leave it at that.
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