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DMT Lazy mans extraction - using Hydro acid and Naphtha
    #11704915 - 12/23/09 09:14 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Ok so I'm a newbie here, hope you can put up with me!

I have apprx 100g of MHRB and want to do the lazyman tek on her.

So my Hydroclorate acid is 20% concentration - how much should I use for 100g?

The Naphtha I have is some Spanish make called 'Zotal' ? I know...

composicion = 2 fenil fenol 3% - 4 cloro 3 metil fenol .8% - 2 bencil 4 cloro fenol .4% and Naftas, disolventes y exccipientes c.s.p. 100%
WTF?

Anyone with a little more experiance be able to help me here? I live in Spain, hence the Spanish Naphtha. The appropriate chems are not so easy to come by. Will this work for lazyman and how?

Thanks in advance.... :confused:


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Re: DMT Lazy mans extraction - using Hydro acid and Naphtha [Re: Davadelic]
    #11705194 - 12/23/09 10:11 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

1.) Why are you using hydrochloric acid with the lazyman tek? That one goes straight to base. It doesn't use any acid at all.

2.) Don't use that "naphtha" unless you're trying to poison yourself!!!  It's got some toxic nonvolatile compounds in there that will end up in your DMT.  You want a product that's composed completely of aliphatic hydrocarbons in the C4 to C8 range.


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Re: DMT Lazy mans extraction - using Hydro acid and Naphtha [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11705254 - 12/23/09 10:24 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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1.) Why are you using hydrochloric acid with the lazyman tek? That one goes straight to base. It doesn't use any acid at all.

2.) Don't use that "naphtha" unless you're trying to poison yourself!!!  It's got some toxic nonvolatile compounds in there that will end up in your DMT.  You want a product that's composed completely of aliphatic hydrocarbons in the C4 to C8 range.




I'm just wondering, I've used Naphtha for almost every STB I've done and have gotten crystal clear shards after reXstalizing. I'm just wondering why it's a bad solvent, and what is left behind after completely evaporating? I would think that everything would completely evaporate, but I guess not, eh? I can't find Di-ethyl Ether, or rather i can't find a place to get it where I wouldn't have to show credentials. What do you think people should use as a solvent?


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Re: DMT Lazy mans extraction - using Hydro acid and Naphtha [Re: Dr.Myco87]
    #11705312 - 12/23/09 10:38 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I am finding it hard to get zippo fuel for some reason

As for that Naphtha I shall giv it a miss then for saftey precautions. Any other suggestions?

As for the hydro acid, will that effect the extraction at all? if so - how? Spanish products can be difficult finding sodium hydroxide aswell.

Let me know your opinions folks good or bad!


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Re: DMT Lazy mans extraction - using Hydro acid and Naphtha [Re: Dr.Myco87]
    #11705354 - 12/23/09 10:46 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

DrMyco, were you using the brand mentioned by Davadelic?

All you have to do is use :google: to see which components aren't going to evaporate.  Specifically, the biphenyl-2-ol, p-chloro-m-cresol, and chlorophene (2 fenil fenol, 4 cloro 3 metil fenol, and 2 bencil 4 cloro fenol, respectively) are all solids at room temperature.

Recrystallization would likely reduce the levels of those compounds in your product to a very small amount, possibly to the point that it's safe to consume... but lazyman's tek instructs people to collect the DMT by evaporation, and if he did that, then there'd be an atrociously high amount of those compounds present in the final product.


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Re: DMT Lazy mans extraction - using Hydro acid and Naphtha [Re: Davadelic]
    #11705371 - 12/23/09 10:49 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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As for that Naphtha I shall giv it a miss then for saftey precautions. Any other suggestions?



If you can find heptane or hexane, those will work.

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As for the hydro acid, will that effect the extraction at all? if so - how? Spanish products can be difficult finding sodium hydroxide aswell.



I don't understand what you think you're using the hydrochloric acid for.  Are you planning on using it instead of sodium hydroxide?  If so, then your extraction won't extract anything at all.  Sodium hydroxide is a strong base, HCl is a strong acid.


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Re: DMT Lazy mans extraction - using Hydro acid and Naphtha [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11705428 - 12/23/09 11:05 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

''If you can find heptane or hexane, those will work.''

I shall hit the shop again tomrw see if I cant find any of them.

As for the Hydrocloric acid - I asked for sodio Hydroxido and she gave me that :rolleyes: must be as dumb as me!

I tested a small amount of this with some bark powder - will that still be safe to use with sodium hydroxide in the future? drain and saturate again with a new soloution?

keep it coming - I aint to up on the chemicals my friend as you can tell..


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Re: DMT Lazy mans extraction - using Hydro acid and Naphtha [Re: Davadelic]
    #11705567 - 12/23/09 11:36 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Don't drain off the HCl, that has DMT dissolved in it now.  Just go ahead and add the NaOH when you're ready to start the extraction, it'll neutralize the HCl.  You might need to use a little more NaOH... if the solution isn't an opaque slippery black color when you finish adding the NaOH, just keep adding more NaOH until it turns opaque black.

Also, be sure to wear protective gloves and goggles, and keep plenty of vinegar on hand to neutralize any spills that might accidentally occur (that's just common sense safety, but I mention it since you say you aren't familiar with the chemicals)


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Re: DMT Lazy mans extraction - using Hydro acid and Naphtha [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11705637 - 12/23/09 11:52 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Gloves and eye protection is indeed sensible my man...

Thanks for your help on this subject, I shall let you know how this situation turns out.

That is, if I live!


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Re: DMT Lazy mans extraction - using Hydro acid and Naphtha [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11705949 - 12/23/09 12:53 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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DrMyco, were you using the brand mentioned by Davadelic?

All you have to do is use :google: to see which components aren't going to evaporate.  Specifically, the biphenyl-2-ol, p-chloro-m-cresol, and chlorophene (2 fenil fenol, 4 cloro 3 metil fenol, and 2 bencil 4 cloro fenol, respectively) are all solids at room temperature.

Recrystallization would likely reduce the levels of those compounds in your product to a very small amount, possibly to the point that it's safe to consume... but lazyman's tek instructs people to collect the DMT by evaporation, and if he did that, then there'd be an atrociously high amount of those compounds present in the final product.




I always freeze precip and then recrystalize with a very small amount of VM&P Naphtha, no zippo fuel or shit like that, but I have heard from a few people now that Naphtha is never to be used, I might have to find something else I guess.

And the last few replies are all good safety guidelines to always be followed when working with strong bases and acids.



Oh damn, didn't notice the brand and contents in the OP, I'm feeling very stupid, lol. I'll have to check what's in the Naphtha I buy. Oh, and I know how to use Google and I know to research things but I've heard that VM&P Naphtha is 100% pure and I've heard that it's 90%+, that's a big difference and the page I just looked at says that VM&P is 100%.


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Edited by Dr.Myco87 (12/23/09 12:58 PM)


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Re: DMT Lazy mans extraction - using Hydro acid and Naphtha [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11705960 - 12/23/09 12:55 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Don't drain off the HCl, that has DMT dissolved in it now.  Just go ahead and add the NaOH when you're ready to start the extraction, it'll neutralize the HCl.  You might need to use a little more NaOH... if the solution isn't an opaque slippery black color when you finish adding the NaOH, just keep adding more NaOH until it turns opaque black.

Also, be sure to wear protective gloves and goggles, and keep plenty of vinegar on hand to neutralize any spills that might accidentally occur (that's just common sense safety, but I mention it since you say you aren't familiar with the chemicals)



Er, wont he have a little problem with sodium chloride aka table salt contaminating his finished product?


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Re: DMT Lazy mans extraction - using Hydro acid and Naphtha [Re: demon6fire]
    #11706156 - 12/23/09 01:25 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

No, the NaCl will stay in the water, it's far too polar to migrate into the naphtha.  I generally recommend adding some NaCl to the bark/hydroxide slurry just to help prevent emulsions (it accomplishes this by increasing the ionic strength of the water)


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Re: DMT Lazy mans extraction - using Hydro acid and Naphtha [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11706273 - 12/23/09 01:42 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

When I evap small amounts of naphtha, there's never anything left behind.


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Re: DMT Lazy mans extraction - using Hydro acid and Naphtha [Re: Shroom_dancer]
    #11706296 - 12/23/09 01:47 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Are you using the brand davadelic mentioned?

I'm not saying don't use naphtha.  Pure naphtha is fine, all those aliphatic hydrocarbons are volatile, they won't end up in your product.

I was warning against using that specific brand, as it contains several non-volatile toxic compounds.


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Re: DMT Lazy mans extraction - using Hydro acid and Naphtha [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11706318 - 12/23/09 01:50 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Oh yeah, I see it now. All those other substances in his naphtha.

I use ace's vm&p


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