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Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify
    #11703756 - 12/23/09 12:55 AM (15 years, 28 days ago)

these shrooms came out reeaallly weird. heres the background about this certain box: first of all, its two different spores (B+ and Z);  the spore syringes were 8 months old, we inoculated some bird seed, let them colonize a little too long to where the jars showing some myco piss, then spawned to bulk coir/ect/ect ... and once again i think we let it colonize to long because i saw big white puff balls everywhere when i put it into fruiting...

heres some pics of these shroom hopefully someone has a better idea of whats going on because i have no idea, all input is apreciated








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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: zebow]
    #11703781 - 12/23/09 01:04 AM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: tangoking]
    #11703788 - 12/23/09 01:06 AM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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    #11703792 - 12/23/09 01:07 AM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: asdf99]
    #11703826 - 12/23/09 01:16 AM (15 years, 28 days ago)

...hmm...


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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: DanKnugget]
    #11703833 - 12/23/09 01:17 AM (15 years, 28 days ago)

spores101?

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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #11703841 - 12/23/09 01:20 AM (15 years, 28 days ago)

ah yes, the infamous oyster cubes. thats what i was thinking but never did oysters so... idk


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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: tangoking]
    #11703906 - 12/23/09 01:46 AM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!!!!



I agree!!
On the other hand, they could be super-potent, and you could clone them, and we would have a completely new, for once DIFFERENT, strain of cube!! That would be so awesome!! :awedance:

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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: Tangich]
    #11704027 - 12/23/09 02:18 AM (15 years, 28 days ago)

wow no one else knows either?? lol
ive been growin for a long time, im confused by this also

btw i put four boxes into fruiting at the same time this one sprouted within the first couple days, while the other three(regular multispores) have yet to pin(looks like normal timing)


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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: zebow]
    #11704057 - 12/23/09 02:29 AM (15 years, 28 days ago)

dude i think u fucked some shit up and made some new genetics, thats a super pinner!!, looks like every single pin has its own cluster. and they do  loook fuckin weird as hell like worms all over the place, like some larvae. dude send me a print of that madness and il check it out to see if i get the same results. u may have got exttremely lucky and produced a hybrid, do you fan that alot? they look curly and twisted maybe you need more fresh air. fruited in 2 days? damn thats nuts


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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: zebow]
    #11704061 - 12/23/09 02:30 AM (15 years, 28 days ago)

wonder what  Roger Rabbit has to say about that


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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: zebow]
    #11704068 - 12/23/09 02:32 AM (15 years, 28 days ago)

how long did u overdue coplonization, nd how did u put both  spores together,  did u agar them or jus drop both into a jar?


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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: Mad Scientist]
    #11704072 - 12/23/09 02:33 AM (15 years, 28 days ago)

how am i going to take a print if theres no caps??

i would also like to clone but i dont have the necessary materials ready at this point is there any other options of possibily freezing one and using it later for cloning?


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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: zebow]
    #11704085 - 12/23/09 02:36 AM (15 years, 28 days ago)

i had jars of each fully colonized and didnt label correctly so i ended up mixing some of each into a tub

and i baarrely overdid colonization, the rest were on the same exact schedule and are acting normal, although they never had the myco piss starting


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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: zebow]
    #11704105 - 12/23/09 02:41 AM (15 years, 28 days ago)

Interesting!

No idea what it is. Could be anything from a very weird Cube mutation (which I highly doubt will be "printable") to a complete different mushroom, that has unexpectedly invited itself to the substrate.

I'm keen on what's going to develop from this.

Keep us updated!:thumbup:

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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: Fahkface]
    #11704113 - 12/23/09 02:45 AM (15 years, 28 days ago)

I think I read some thread some time ago with this same growth, and somebody said they were extremely thick rhizomorphs reaching for the sky, because of the lack of FAE, nutrients or something, but don't take my word for it...
EDIT: See if they bruise blue, if they do try eating some and tell us are they active!

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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: Tangich]
    #11704134 - 12/23/09 02:50 AM (15 years, 28 days ago)

Might be. That was actually the first thing I thought about, but I have never seen it in that peculiarity.

The tissue of the "tentacles" seems pretty equal to regular cubensis tissue. So you're probably right about this, Tangich.

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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: Fahkface]
    #11705718 - 12/23/09 12:08 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

anyone else?


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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: zebow]
    #11705796 - 12/23/09 12:22 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

Those are oyster mushrooms, grown with insufficient light and fresh air.  They're not cubes.
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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #11705832 - 12/23/09 12:29 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

can oysters come from a mix of b+ and amazonian spores? these were 8 months old syringes which i used before to make many successful boxes of cubes...


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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: zebow]
    #11705846 - 12/23/09 12:32 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

look at it this way, now you dont need to go grocery shopping for awhile :cool::thumbup:


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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: rsinatra13]
    #11705887 - 12/23/09 12:38 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

you said in your first post they were B+ and Z
now you say B+ and amazon what are they

and where did you get them from?

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not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.

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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: zebow]
    #11705890 - 12/23/09 12:38 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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can oysters come from a mix of b+ and amazonian spores? these were 8 months old syringes which i used before to make many successful boxes of cubes...




Nope.

It appears you got the syringes mixed up.  It happens.
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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #11705912 - 12/23/09 12:45 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

ive been growin cubes for years now...

i will have to go double check on the labels but its for sure a mix of two cubes, as i havent ever purchased spores of anything else


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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: zebow]
    #11706178 - 12/23/09 01:27 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

WHERE did you get them?  Spores101?  This would be the 2nd time i heard of that they sent oysters as cubes.


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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: zebow]
    #11706315 - 12/23/09 01:49 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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can oysters come from a mix of b+ and amazonian spores? these were 8 months old syringes which i used before to make many successful boxes of cubes...




can a zebra come from a irish man and an american woman?


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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: Citizen13]
    #11706335 - 12/23/09 01:51 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

if snuggies are involved...yes

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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #11706425 - 12/23/09 02:12 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

Why were you mixing the two strains?

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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: Fahkface]
    #11706627 - 12/23/09 02:51 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

yeah wait a minute what happens when you use 2 strains same sp in one ms syringe?

i mean obviously you don't get oysters but what does happen?


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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: Wimy]
    #11706721 - 12/23/09 03:03 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

i was thinking the same way, is that a simple way to make a hybred if your luckey enough for eveything to work?

or what if you mixed pe and b+? super potent quick and large growing mushrooms?
has anyone every tried anything like this?
this is what i wanted to do when i first started, but obviously thats not a beginner job.

would it be better to mix the spore or thy myc?
this is so fascinating, hope its not just oysters...
try some or get somebody to try some of them if your nervous. hell let me try them


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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: trashcan]
    #11706734 - 12/23/09 03:06 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

i was just kinda hoping you can get both fruits off of one bulk. you know nigtflyer put those cyanescens and cyanofriscosa right next to eachother

and in the wild psilocybe species seem to be close to one another, like some areas just support psilocybes or they co-exist for a reason i'm not sure

another pair that involves an inactive sp is weilii and lacrymaria velutina. i have picked a weilii out of the middle of a cluster of lacrymaria velutina before. and they ALWAYS share the same grass patches


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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: Wimy]
    #11706882 - 12/23/09 03:33 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

Maybe some mushroom species are in symbiotic relationships, that we don't know about yet.

Since different Cube strains are still the same species, there's little to expect!
When you mix PE spores with B+ spores a Cube is what you get. Different strains sometimes tend to develop certain characteristics. Now, this doesn't mean that they ain't able to produce fruits that look like complete regular Cube fruits.

So what happens when you mix the two genetic pools of B+ and PE is, that you create a new strain. The exact same way you create a new strain (phenotype) every time you grow mushrooms from multispore inoculations.

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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: Wimy]
    #11707055 - 12/23/09 03:58 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: Wimy]
    #11707080 - 12/23/09 04:02 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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i was thinking the same way, is that a simple way to make a hybred if your luckey enough for eveything to work?

or what if you mixed pe and b+? super potent quick and large growing mushrooms?
has anyone every tried anything like this?
this is what i wanted to do when i first started, but obviously thats not a beginner job.

would it be better to mix the spore or thy myc?
this is so fascinating, hope its not just oysters...
try some or get somebody to try some of them if your nervous. hell let me try them



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yeah wait a minute what happens when you use 2 strains same sp in one ms syringe?

i mean obviously you don't get oysters but what does happen?




nothing. they are like roommates, 2 different strains grow in the same spawn/substrate with seperate mycellial structures.

no hybrid, no "mix" nadda. chances are you won't even notice the difference, although sometimes you can and it makes for an interesting photo opportunity.


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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: Citizen13]
    #11707120 - 12/23/09 04:08 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

I thought that was common knowlage...


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    #11707137 - 12/23/09 04:10 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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I thought that was common knowlage...




i'm sure 99.99% of the world doesnt know this. so i wouldn't call it "common knowledge"


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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: Citizen13]
    #11707139 - 12/23/09 04:11 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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nothing. they are like roommates, 2 different strains grow in the same spawn/substrate with seperate mycellial structures.

no hybrid, no "mix" nadda. chances are you won't even notice the difference, although sometimes you can and it makes for an interesting photo opportunity.



Not true. This is from Cervantes' strain thread.
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The fungus known as Psilocibe Cubensis is a unique mushroom SPECIES. Shiitake is a unique mushroom species. Azures are their own species. Amanitas are a species... etc. It would be almost impossible and incredibly expensive to use two different fungus species and create a hybrid of the two. It'd be like successfully mating a human with a gorilla. However, a Caucasian human can effectively mate with an Asian human. Similarly, spores from one cube race can mate (or be mated) successfully with the spores of other cubensis races.

In the world of mycology, every single time a single spore's mycelium mates with another's to become dikaryotic, a unique Strain (no quotation marks) is created. Like baby humans, living cube Strains are each unique, and they tend to resemble their 'parents'. Each single viable spore print can produce thousands if not millions of unique strains. Most of these strains will produce mushrooms that look remarkably like the mushroom that produced the print from which they came.



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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: Citizen13]
    #11707161 - 12/23/09 04:15 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

most of the time this is what will happen

(borrowed the pic from RR since i have no petris that i did this with to use as an example)



nothing.

sometimes the myc will fuse and you will get slight variations, sometimes not visible, sometimes they will be, but until you clone it out (assuming it will even fruit), it's hardly a new "strain" or a "hybrid" then the average MS inoculation. (although by definition it is)

injecting PE and GT into a jar, assuming the 1 percent chance that they even fuse happens, will not give you a hybrid PE stem with huge GT caps.


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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: Citizen13]
    #11707279 - 12/23/09 04:35 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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most of the time this is what will happen

(borrowed the pic from RR since i have no petris that i did this with to use as an example)



nothing.

sometimes the myc will fuse and you will get slight variations, sometimes not visible, sometimes they will be, but until you clone it out (assuming it will even fruit), it's hardly a new "strain" or a "hybrid" then the average MS inoculation. (although by definition it is)

injecting PE and GT into a jar, assuming the 1 percent chance that they even fuse happens, will not give you a hybrid PE stem with huge GT caps.




so you can try anything you want but only some will work? and agar will let you know.


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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: Citizen13]
    #11707287 - 12/23/09 04:37 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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i was thinking the same way, is that a simple way to make a hybred if your luckey enough for eveything to work?

or what if you mixed pe and b+? super potent quick and large growing mushrooms?
has anyone every tried anything like this?
this is what i wanted to do when i first started, but obviously thats not a beginner job.

would it be better to mix the spore or thy myc?
this is so fascinating, hope its not just oysters...
try some or get somebody to try some of them if your nervous. hell let me try them



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yeah wait a minute what happens when you use 2 strains same sp in one ms syringe?

i mean obviously you don't get oysters but what does happen?




nothing. they are like roommates, 2 different strains grow in the same spawn/substrate with seperate mycellial structures.

no hybrid, no "mix" nadda. chances are you won't even notice the difference, although sometimes you can and it makes for an interesting photo opportunity.



dude thats what i wanted to hear

soo go albino and a nice coffee colored cap like louise anna for just one syringe. why the hell not? im gonna do that. and take pictures


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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: Wimy]
    #11707375 - 12/23/09 04:53 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

Are these being grown in complete darkness???

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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: CH HELL]
    #11707467 - 12/23/09 05:09 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

spores are from magicmushrooms.org and its 12 on 12off with two flourescent 6500k daylights on the ceiling


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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: zebow]
    #11707536 - 12/23/09 05:19 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

Well shit I don't know man,  I have had a tub of cubes that looked like that but it was one that was forgotten about.  It was in complete darkness and no FAE.

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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: CH HELL]
    #11707596 - 12/23/09 05:27 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

Actually, many strains will easily cross when placed together.  If the strains are non-compatible such as in the petri dish above, two separate growths will show.  If they're compatible, that line of isolation will disappear and the two will merge into a common whole.
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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #11707698 - 12/23/09 05:47 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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Actually, many strains will easily cross when placed together.  If the strains are non-compatible such as in the petri dish above, two separate growths will show.  If they're compatible, that line of isolation will disappear and the two will merge into a common whole.
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i've always been under the assumption that that is rare though, and noticeable differences between mated strains are rare as well.


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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: Citizen13]
    #11707798 - 12/23/09 06:03 PM (15 years, 27 days ago)

seems to me like if you can't notice the difference anymore they must have shared some traits. :stoned:


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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: Wimy]
    #11709266 - 12/23/09 10:45 PM (15 years, 27 days ago)

i picked them today... theyre not turning blue at all...

from what i see im more likely to go with inactive shrooms over a new mutation but ina week or two ill have someone try em out and let you guys know for sure


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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: Citizen13]
    #11709793 - 12/24/09 12:35 AM (15 years, 27 days ago)

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I thought that was common knowlage...




i'm sure 99.99% of the world doesnt know this. so i wouldn't call it "common knowledge"



I'm sorry. Your right, I should have stated that I wasn't talking about the collective of the ENTIRE PLANET but rather the collective of members of this board. My bad dog.

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Actually, many strains will easily cross when placed together.  If the strains are non-compatible such as in the petri dish above, two separate growths will show.  If they're compatible, that line of isolation will disappear and the two will merge into a common whole.
RR




True but no one wants to cross the stuff that might work because how else are you going to be a famous mycologist or mushroom hobbyist if you don't do something cool like make cubensis that glow or other round holes and square pegs.


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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: Beelzebozo]
    #11710007 - 12/24/09 01:36 AM (15 years, 27 days ago)

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True but no one wants to cross the stuff that might work because how else are you going to be a famous mycologist or mushroom hobbyist if you don't do something cool like make cubensis that glow or other round holes and square pegs.




There ain't whole "strains" that don't fit together! When you try to fuse two different strains (and here we consider a "strain" to be a simple phenotype of a mushroom species), it might happen that no mono- or dikaryons that fit together find each other, so the two used phenotypes won't fuse.
Normally there's plenty of them that find each other and the two "strains" fuse without you even noticing it, because it'll look like a completely normal Cube.


As far as I know no one has ever successfully crossed two different mushroom species or genera.

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Re: Crazy unknown mutated shrooms please help identify [Re: zebow]
    #11710552 - 12/24/09 07:06 AM (15 years, 27 days ago)

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i picked them today... theyre not turning blue at all...

from what i see im more likely to go with inactive shrooms over a new mutation but ina week or two ill have someone try em out and let you guys know for sure




I'm pretty sure RR already pointed out that they are just oysters grown in crappy conditions. you aren't the first person i've seen post pictures like this and get the same diagnosis.


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