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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: grimeyobject]
    #11698681 - 12/22/09 12:36 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

As long as you have proper conditions and FAE a closet will be fine

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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Shea25]
    #11698805 - 12/22/09 12:55 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

dont do pf tek with just poo
its take forevor
i shot up 5 jars just to see what would happen (LC)
im down to just one that might make it:facepalm:and it has been over 3 month's.
no way any one will win a race that way.


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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #11698929 - 12/22/09 01:15 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

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Normal room temperature is superior for colonizing mushroom substrates, NOT the 80s.





Obviously the word has not spread quick enough even for the Shroomery newcomers guide which says:-

"If you really want to incubate do not have temperatures above 80F. The values given in many teks of 86F are outdated and optimum growth is attained at around 80F. This is because the jars produce a little heat which brings the temperature up to the 82-3F optimum."


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PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: tugwax]
    #11699258 - 12/22/09 02:05 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

This is horrible advice (PF manure tek).. honestly this thread should be locked for the sole reason that only experienced growers can deduce what is good advice (very little) and what is horrible advice (90 %) within this thread.

A PF Tek consisting of solely manure and gypsum is horrible advice. Good luck getting spores to colonize even a portion of a half pint of manure/gypsum, LC would take forever as well... now adding some verm and coir would be a different story but will still have issues colonizing completely, unless done in bags (which works very well due to the fact it allows you to break up and spread the colonized parts of the sub).

I have yet to see any vindication for this thread. Im tired of seeing bad and lazy advice being touted as fact..

Noobs- If you see any post proclaiming "gloveboxes are useless waste" and open air innoculations and oven teks as valid alternatives, or "latex gloves are faggy".. disregard anything else being said. All this crap directly inspires 100s of posts on noob failures.

Proper sterile technique is the single most valuable skill any new grower can learn to prevent future problems and failures. Every successful grow produced by cutting corners and half assed shortcuts are only the fruits of experience from a poisonous tree.. a false sense of experience and "job well done" which invariably leads to multiple failed grows of larger scale.


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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: koopa_troopa]
    #11699333 - 12/22/09 02:14 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11700357 - 12/22/09 04:32 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

I knew this thread was bombing the moment I seen people mentioning anecdotes to their advice.

On a side note, Paul Stamets in GGMM says he does not use not only tyvek wrist sleeves, but also gloves. He instead washes frequently in a lab environment. Since reading this, because my old ones were looking trashy, I've tried the sleeveless method. Instead scrubbing my arms well and no contams yet. Not sure I'll stick with this one, I may break back down and get some just to be safe.

Also I'm pretty sure a bandanna can work well as replacement for a surgical mask and a particulate mask for handling vermiculite or perlite. If it was good enough for the surgeons of the late 1800s and early 1900s or third world factory workers it's good enough for me.

Also Vedda, seriously, move out of that house before it kills you. What in the fuck are you thinking still living in that place? Do you own it, if so why haven't you fixed it yet you lazy bastard? I swear over one year ago you were complaining about how you were having trouble growing in your house and we all told you it had to be mold, now your chair molds in that room in a month and you haven't left yet? What the fuck? It's not as if that level of mold in that one room isn't likely also infecting or already in neighboring rooms. Have you even tried to figure out the vector of the moisture seepage that started the problem?


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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: ScavengerType]
    #11700379 - 12/22/09 04:35 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)



sleeves + gloves = FTW!


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Re: scavengertype/veda [Re: ScavengerType]
    #11700415 - 12/22/09 04:40 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

lol if a chair is molding the outlook of growing fungi of any sort isnt looking to bright for the veda.. not to mention who the hell keeps a chair till it molds? sounds like an aquateen hunger force episode haha.. your just asking to be the next candidate for a lawyer infomercial.. fuck mesothelioma :grin:
On the brightside though.. if you do have some luck cultivating you may very well develop some mold resistant strans lol

Im not saying theres not some good advice in this thread.. just enough bad that its gonna make it damn hard for a noob to sort through which is which


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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11700423 - 12/22/09 04:41 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

so this is a little off topic, but im spawning 2 large tubs right now with un-pasteurized coir.

lets hope that "pasteurizing coir" really is a waste of time.


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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: emptyvessal]
    #11700449 - 12/22/09 04:43 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

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tugwax said:
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PF jars ? I just bought some Bon Marche jam jars :smile:  from tesco cost me £1.20  each  :awedance:






You were robbed.
6 drinks glasses for a quid in the pound shop. Just add foil lid.






ooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh but did your drinks glasses come with jam!!!!!!!  No NO they didnt  who is the silly billy now    :dancer:





I also got the bon marche jars, and their jam is IMMENSE

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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: Citizen13]
    #11700594 - 12/22/09 04:58 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

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so this is a little off topic, but im spawning 2 large tubs right now with un-pasteurized coir.

lets hope that "pasteurizing coir" really is a waste of time.




I do it anyway, but I think there is actually some merit to this wise tale. I've heard that spores do not germinate on it (again hearsay from this forum so...). So given a decent spawn ratio little or no contaminants should take.

I should add that I've had many tubs where I keep my hydrated coir sit for months without any visible or smellable contaminants. Not all have reported this same experience though.

Again, better safe than stuck in a long-term commitment with responsibilities you never even remotely wanted.


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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: ScavengerType]
    #11700634 - 12/22/09 05:02 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

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Citizen13 said:
so this is a little off topic, but im spawning 2 large tubs right now with un-pasteurized coir.

lets hope that "pasteurizing coir" really is a waste of time.




I do it anyway, but I think there is actually some merit to this wise tale. I've heard that spores do not germinate on it (again hearsay from this forum so...). So given a decent spawn ratio little or no contaminants should take.

I should add that I've had many tubs where I keep my hydrated coir sit for months without any visible or smellable contaminants. Not all have reported this same experience though.

Again, better safe than stuck in a long-term commitment with responsibilities you never even remotely wanted.




well i have 16 tubs going right now that are coir, and none of them have shown a sign of trich,etc.

i feel confident that these 2 test tubs will prove that i wasted alot of my time pastuerizing all that coir.

anyone disagree? feel free to save me money/time with your horror stories!


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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: Citizen13]
    #11700693 - 12/22/09 05:09 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

I pasteurize my coir just to be on the safe side.  call it a waste of time if you want but so is cleaning a contamed room/area. :shrug: 

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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11700715 - 12/22/09 05:11 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

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I pasteurize my coir just to be on the safe side.  call it a waste of time if you want but so is cleaning a contamed room/area. :shrug: 

you reap what you sow. :santaclaus:





well then... i'm going to use 20 dollar bills instead of spores next time to inoculate my bags.


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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: Citizen13]
    #11700758 - 12/22/09 05:15 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: koopa_troopa]
    #11701032 - 12/22/09 05:50 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

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This is horrible advice (PF manure tek).. honestly this thread should be locked for the sole reason that only experienced growers can deduce what is good advice (very little) and what is horrible advice (90 %) within this thread.

A PF Tek consisting of solely manure and gypsum is horrible advice. Good luck getting spores to colonize even a portion of a half pint of manure/gypsum, LC would take forever as well... now adding some verm and coir would be a different story but will still have issues colonizing completely, unless done in bags (which works very well due to the fact it allows you to break up and spread the colonized parts of the sub).

I have yet to see any vindication for this thread. Im tired of seeing bad and lazy advice being touted as fact..

Noobs- If you see any post proclaiming "gloveboxes are useless waste" and open air innoculations and oven teks as valid alternatives, or "latex gloves are faggy".. disregard anything else being said. All this crap directly inspires 100s of posts on noob failures.

Proper sterile technique is the single most valuable skill any new grower can learn to prevent future problems and failures. Every successful grow produced by cutting corners and half assed shortcuts are only the fruits of experience from a poisonous tree.. a false sense of experience and "job well done" which invariably leads to multiple failed grows of larger scale.





Not only do they colonize just as fast as grains but they colonize pint jars just fine. This is straight manure no gypsum. I have yet to see cubie spores not germinate. They will even germinate in just distilled water. I speak from experience as I have done the PF tek off of manure more times than you have had birthdays. Your a noob spreading misinformation. Your not speaking from experience your just running your mouth. Your just a copycat repeating what others do. Become a real person and gain experience with what works. Next he'll be telling Neil Armstrong what the moon is like.




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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: Cloneufc]
    #11701296 - 12/22/09 06:20 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

All bulk substrates including coir should be pasteurized.  There's more to pasteurization than just killing mold spores.  By 'cooking', we release more of what the mycelium needs.  Performance is almost always better on pasteurized bulk substrates than on non-pasteurized.

I've often said coir can be used with no heat treatment, but that's more in answer to someone with green mold on their tray.  My point is that it's the spawn which was contaminated, not the coir.  You'll find performance is better if you'll pasteurize the coir.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #11701411 - 12/22/09 06:34 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

well shit i was just about to mix up my tubs.

now i have to go and pasteurize them afterall for peace of mind.

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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: koopa_troopa]
    #11701487 - 12/22/09 06:44 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

Quote:

koopa_troopa said:

...this thread should be locked for the sole reason that only experienced growers can deduce what is good advice (very little) and what is horrible advice (90 %) within this thread.

I have yet to see any vindication for this thread. Im tired of seeing bad and lazy advice being touted as fact..








There's bad advice in almost every thread, not just this one. At least everone is discussing cultivation, and not snuggies for dogs. :shrug:


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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: ambargh]
    #11701527 - 12/22/09 06:49 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)



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