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Re: Case study in Capiltalism: Indians in Briitish Columbia experiment for the first time with property [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #11785418 - 01/07/10 06:18 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.ifj.org/en/articles/ifj-says-chavez-war-on-media-is-disastrous-for-democracy-in-venezuela


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"These are dangerous days for journalism in Venezuela," he said. "The government must change course, if not it will be a disaster for democracy in Venezuela." He said numerous physical attacks on reporters, closures of media, targeted court actions and denial of media access to official information had created a dangerous climate for journalists who will be under further pressures in the run-up to national elections next year.

White highlighted the targeting of Globovision, a televisión network facing the same fate as the independent network Radio Television Caracas which was forced to close its terrestrial operations two years ago. Earlier this year more than 30 radio stations were closed and a further 200 stations are under threat of closure.




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Re: Case study in Capiltalism: Indians in Briitish Columbia experiment for the first time with property [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11785509 - 01/07/10 06:31 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Case study in Capiltalism: Indians in Briitish Columbia experiment for the first time with property [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #11785554 - 01/07/10 06:40 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

So they like thugs in Venezuela.  Who knew?  By the way, how is anybody going to run against him when A.  The oppposition keeps getting thrown in prison and B.  Adversarial press keeps getting shut down.  You really are making a clown of yourself.


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Re: Case study in Capiltalism: Indians in Briitish Columbia experiment for the first time with property [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11786200 - 01/07/10 08:25 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Case study in Capiltalism: Indians in Briitish Columbia experiment for the first time with property [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #11786243 - 01/07/10 08:31 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Throwing the opposition in jail and shutting down media outlets is not exactly a sign of a popular government, is it Komrade?


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Re: Case study in Capiltalism: Indians in Briitish Columbia experiment for the first time with prope [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #11789056 - 01/08/10 11:37 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Pages 17, 19, 20, 37, etc. are what I was referring to. I initially read it from a pro-Bolivarian revolution website, but went through it myself to cite some of the pages from the report directly. I'm sure there were a few more I meant to cite (that I had read on the website), but I didn't feel like going through the rest of the report.

http://www.der.oas.org/INFORME%20LB%202007.pdf

i will concede that the report is a bit old, & the approval rating for the current government has dropped from about 70% in the summer of '08 to just over 60% within the last month or two, with the global recession (I would imagine that this has caused a drop of approval rating for governments can be seen around the world)... so in the latest report the numbers almost certainly aren't as high... but the ~60% approval rating remains, & re-election is coming up this year, & he will very likely win.

But even a third pres. election victory (in addition to surviving the recall vote that was actually at a worse time for the country economically due to a strike by the private oil company that has since been nationalized) will not convince his detractors that he has the support of the majority of voters... so they will continue to make up things.




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The Economist said:

The poll offers a warning to Mr Chávez. Though 45% of Venezuelan respondents still support his government, that is down from 65% in 2006. And although he has nationalised many businesses, 81% of them say that private enterprise is indispensable for economic development, a big increase on previous years. Support for the market economy among Venezuelan respondents has also surged.




This excerpt from my previous post begs to differ.


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Re: Case study in Capiltalism: Indians in Briitish Columbia experiment for the first time with prope [Re: Statisticons_win]
    #11797941 - 01/09/10 06:39 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Case study in Capiltalism: Indians in Briitish Columbia experiment for the first time with prope [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #11797966 - 01/09/10 06:45 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I won't be surprised if he wins.  He has jailed many of his serious opponents and shut down dissenting media outlets as treasonous.  Stalin never lost an election.


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Re: Case study in Capiltalism: Indians in Briitish Columbia experiment for the first time with prope [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11802443 - 01/10/10 02:27 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Case study in Capiltalism: Indians in Briitish Columbia experiment for the first time with prope [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #11802629 - 01/10/10 03:01 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

His approval is plummeting.  That's why he's jailing opponents and shutting down media.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN096521320100109

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However, Chavez risks taking a blow to his popularity ratings, which are about 50 percent, as prices for many products inevitably will rise in the country of 28 million people, which relies on imports for much of its consumption.

Finance Minister Ali Rodriguez said the devaluation will add 3 percent to 5 percent to inflation, already the highest in the Americas at 25 percent last year:eek:.

"The popularity of the government is obviously going to be sharply and negatively affected," said economist Pedro Palma. "The inflationary impact of the measure diminishes the real income of people. People can consume less."




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It devalues the currency to 4.3 and 2.6 against the dollar, from a rate of 2.15 per dollar in place since 2005, giving the better rate for basic goods in an attempt to limit the impact of the measure on consumer prices.

The opposition seized on fears that prices for imported goods will double as shoppers formed lines of more than a hundred people outside some stores in the capital Caracas.

"It was a Black Friday, tinted red," said sales executive Diana Sevillana in reference to the crimson color of Chavez's socialist party. She stood in a line of 30 people outside an electrical goods store in a middle class neighborhood.
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"By establishing the exchange rate at 4.3 bolivars per dollar, the quality of life for Venezuelans is automatically devalued since we now have half the money we had before," said Caracas Mayor Antonio Ledezma, a Chavez opponent.




This is getting more and more fun.  Meanwhile, in Chile........
Well, you must know all about this:
http://voices.kansascity.com/node/7131

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Chile: No longer a Third World country

By E. Thomas McClanahan, Kansas City Star Editorial Page columnist
Chile has been formally invited to join the Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development, the club of "rich" countries. Chile is the only Latin American country that can make such a claim. Key factor: Its decision to adopt free trade. That wasn't the only cause, but Chile's trade policy played a big role.
It's a reminder that in a global economy, if a country is poor, it's likely poor not because of geography (Chile's geolocation isn't exactly ideal) or -- the traditional excuse -- lack of natural resources. No, most poor countries are poor by policy, they're poor because of counterproductive laws that undermine property rights and impede the working of markets.





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Re: Case study in Capiltalism: Indians in Briitish Columbia experiment for the first time with prope [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11804401 - 01/10/10 07:39 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Case study in Capiltalism: Indians in Briitish Columbia experiment for the first time with prope [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #11806479 - 01/11/10 05:58 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Not respecting private property rights enough is the reason for widespread poverty? That's turning the history of the New World on its head. Traditionally in much of Latin America, virtually all of the wealth (which includes productive land in addition to industries) was in the hands of a small minority, usually inherited for generations, who hoarded it while the masses saw nothing & lived in poverty.



Not just that but also market impediments as well.
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No, most poor countries are poor by policy, they're poor because of counterproductive laws that undermine property rights and impede the working of markets.



And of course there is the glorious corruption of their governments, which knows no left or right.
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You've derailed this thread enough, which was supposed to be about the best way forward for Native people. That way is exemplified in Bolivia, where the hemisphere's only indigenous president recently won re-election by a margin of of about 63% to 23%.




Yes, he won the election.  How's that working out?  And what does that have to do with the OP?  Nothing.
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Here are the experiences of those everyday people...long marginalized by societies built on "private property"... who supported him:

http://www.counterpunch.org/dangl12082009.html




How sweet.  Counterpunch found some street people who love him.  Now that's some quality evidence right there. 
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For the same reasons & the same experiences in correcting past injustices & providing leadership for a brighter tomorrow, Chavez will also win re-election later this year, as the AP mock election poll showed (about 60% to a little under 30% for the main opponent.)



You mean from te article you linked which ends with this:

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IVAD, AP, and other polls show that the electorate and people tighten their ranks and recoil in contempt from these counter-revolutionaries: namely, imperialists, the Venezuelan bourgeoisie, and working class reactionaries.




You got some funny sources.  Counterpunch and OEN.  Nice.


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Re: Case study in Capiltalism: Indians in Briitish Columbia experiment for the first time with prope [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #11806640 - 01/11/10 07:48 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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You've derailed this thread enough, which was supposed to be about the best way forward for Native people. That way is exemplified in Bolivia, where the hemisphere's only indigenous president recently won re-election by a margin of of about 63% to 23%.






Actually this thread was about the Nisga First Nations in British Columbia, Canada

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Re: Case study in Capiltalism: Indians in Briitish Columbia experiment for the first time with prope [Re: Noetical]
    #11816036 - 01/12/10 03:52 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Case study in Capiltalism: Indians in Briitish Columbia experiment for the first time with property [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #11862940 - 01/19/10 10:26 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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relatively communal at a fundamental level, as this was often consistent with the  nature-oriented spirituality practiced.




I'm tired of this misconception that the native peoples of North America were somehow "in-tune" with nature and didn't fuck it up in any way.

Most of the large mammals of North America suddenly disappear from the fossil record right after the expansion into North America by the Asians now known as the Amerindians or First Nations.

I blame 100% of the problems of the modern world on empire and religion.


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Re: Case study in Capiltalism: Indians in Briitish Columbia experiment for the first time with property [Re: Hashishin13]
    #11890712 - 01/24/10 11:43 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

this is great news.

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Their new law allows Nisga’a to obtain freehold title to their homes, and to mortgage, transfer, lease or sell these to anyone, including outsiders. In the future, Mr McKay says, the law might be extended to commercial or industrial property.



by the way, for the canadians, freehold=fee simple.

i am not exactly sure how it works for this band, it sounds like they actually OWN the land....in BC people can only hold rights to the land (titles).  vancouver island for example has mineral rights owned by E&N and timber rights owned by various companies.....which basically means should they decide they can cut the trees and dig a mine in your land.  plus your not the owner of the land, you just hold the title which can be changed by the gov anytime.

what i find cool about this above situation is that it seems they actually OWN the land...a very rare thing in bc....or am i reading that wrong?


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Re: Case study in Capiltalism: Indians in Briitish Columbia experiment for the first time with property [Re: Hashishin13]
    #11890731 - 01/24/10 11:48 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Case study in Capiltalism: Indians in Briitish Columbia experiment for the first time with property [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #11895970 - 01/25/10 12:50 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Yea but I still think they killed off all the really big mammals. They all died off when they came over, it might have been climate but its too coincidental. I kinda think that the northern population might have learned from this and became eco friendly by the time the Europeans arrived.

This shouldn't be read as hating on natives, just get real we are all people.


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Re: Case study in Capiltalism: Indians in Briitish Columbia experiment for the first time with property [Re: Statisticons_win]
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