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Re: unknown active today [Re: World Spirit]
    #10698498 - 07/18/09 08:45 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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For future reference, panaeolus species all have jet black species to the best of my knowledge.




For example, Panaeolus cinctulus has a jet black spore sprint while Panaeolus foenisecii has a walnut brown spore print.



For that reason, some seperate it into the genus panaeolina, not panaeolus.


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Re: unknown active today [Re: freemind]
    #10698603 - 07/18/09 09:19 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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For future reference, panaeolus species all have jet black species to the best of my knowledge.




For example, Panaeolus cinctulus has a jet black spore sprint while Panaeolus foenisecii has a walnut brown spore print.



For that reason, some seperate it into the genus panaeolina, not panaeolus.




I'm glad this topic came up again. Alan, if you're reading this, why is it (for example at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panaeolina_foenisecii we have Panaeolina foenisecii listed with the synonym Panaeolus foenisecii? I mean it can't be both scientifically. It has to fall under a specific nomenclature. Who's complaint line can I call for this stuff?

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Re: unknown active today [Re: World Spirit]
    #10698668 - 07/18/09 09:36 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Who's complaint line can I call for this stuff?



Mother nature, for being confusing and sloppy. Nature is by no means concerned about making it easy to classify her shit! :laugh:

My guess as to why it's synonymus at this point is that the distinction wasn't made at the time foenisecii received their name that it had brown spores. Also their spores are rough, whereas genus Panaeolus has smooth spores.

Brown, rough spores; these are the characteristics that seperate genus Panaeolina from genus Panaeolus.


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Re: unknown active today [Re: freemind]
    #10698678 - 07/18/09 09:38 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Who's complaint line can I call for this stuff?



Mother nature, for being confusing and sloppy. Nature is by no means concerned about making it easy to classify her shit! :laugh:

My guess as to why it's synonymus at this point is that the distinction wasn't made at the time foenisecii received their name that it had brown spores. Also their spores are rough, whereas genus Panaeolus has smooth spores.

Brown, rough spores; these are the characteristics that seperate genus Panaeolina from genus Panaeolus.





I'm on the same page; I just think that we need to be able to converse with those who are actually legit enough to classify a species. It seems as though they need more people to help them with the science.

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Re: unknown active today [Re: World Spirit]
    #10698688 - 07/18/09 09:43 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Well, this is pure speculation, but I think the change already has occured, but everyone is used to calling them panaeolus so it remains synonymous.

I've also wondered why Panaeolus Cyanescens are also referred to as Copelandia. There are tons of discrepancies, I just shrug and live with it. Although may not be the scientific thing to do.. :shrug:


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Re: unknown active today [Re: phishhead]
    #10699048 - 07/18/09 11:35 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)



Spore lengths (7.8)9-10.2(11.5) micrometers (39 spores measured)

Spore shape, size and irregularly branched cheilocystidia are a match for Psilocybe atlantis.  Abundant clamp connections.  The lack of observed pleurocystidia may be due to them being collapsed in the dried specimen or just not present in the preparation.  It seems unlikely that they are completely absent but that is possible.  Further examination pending.  It is not uncommon for a species to be described as lacking pleurocystidia and then later found to have them in abundance.

This specimen may or may not be the same as Lizard King's unknown.  If it is the same then it reduces the known collections of Georgia Psilocybe species by one.


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Re: unknown active today [Re: Workman]
    #10699644 - 07/18/09 02:03 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

pretty cool workman thanks man, Im gonna get out there tomorrow and see if i can find a few more. I did for sure find a different species last year in the same location I may still have pics but there still could be the unknown out there as well. we shall see...

think those are the other unknowns i found out at the same spot.


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Re: unknown active today [Re: phishhead]
    #11223945 - 10/10/09 10:56 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Ah yeah, too bad you didn't save that one.  It might be the same as this more recent collection but unless you can collect more, we can't really be sure.


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Re: unknown active today [Re: Workman]
    #11682623 - 12/19/09 06:42 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Cultivated specimens from sample with updated microscopy

 

   

First flush mushrooms often with a low annulus which dissapears in later flushes.  Sine wave cap margin seems to be a constant with cultivated specimens.


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Re: unknown active today [Re: Workman]
    #11682661 - 12/19/09 06:50 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

That is some amazing work!!!

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Re: unknown active today [Re: Workman]
    #11682702 - 12/19/09 07:00 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

good job workman!


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Re: unknown active today [Re: Workman]
    #11684088 - 12/20/09 12:32 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Nice job!

What was the substrate used?


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Re: unknown active today [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #11684857 - 12/20/09 07:29 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

excellent work. i'm a huge fan. i was just showing off your weilii clusters yesterday.


better camera for christmas..



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think hershey kiss cap, smell/taste more farinaceous and pleasurable than weilii

thinner, longer stipes with the reddish hues and fluccose stem


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Re: unknown active today [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #11685903 - 12/20/09 12:12 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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What was the substrate used?





Grass seed.


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    #11685998 - 12/20/09 12:24 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

niceeeeee :thumbup:


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Re: unknown active today [Re: dicky21]
    #11686290 - 12/20/09 01:15 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

also did you find any of the flat psilocybes with the "blue skirts" this year?


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    #11686482 - 12/20/09 01:47 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Nice job!

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Grass seed.




What species is this?


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Re: unknown active today [Re: MycOhunter]
    #11687158 - 12/20/09 03:50 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Grass seed.




What species is this?




Psilocybe atlantis: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11681038/fpart/1/vc/1

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