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Quickee
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Using some teks and need suggestions thanks
#11681160 - 12/19/09 02:31 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is gonna be my first attempt at using WBS suggestions would be great. I grabbed some teks for the site that i would like to use but there are a few kinks i need to work out. And im kinda of confused with the details and the order in which these teks work..so please set me straight.
1 quart jars 6 quart tubs spore syringes..(wish i could make LC) cool mist/whatever FC i decided to use.
(I have been reading and studying for weeks and watched videos..im still confused on the exact process) ive done cakes a few times now First my spawn is going to be WBS. Ill be using spore syringes i ordered off the internet. Ill be using 1 quart jars with tyvek and micropore tape or whatever i decide for gas exchange. Question 3/4 of the way full of WBS how many cc's or the spore syringe do i need to add 2-3 is what i thought.
Second ill be using coir for my bulk substrate. Ill need to expand this and then pasturize it correct? and do you add this to your spawn while this coco is still wet?
after 100%? colonization of the bulk substrate?! i then add the casing? which will be the
50/50plus tek * 15 1/2 cups vermiculite * 15 1/2 cups peat moss * 4 1/2 cups crushed oyster shell * 1.2 cups of hydrated lime * 15 cups of distilled water (1 cup short of a gallon of bottled water) 16 cups = 1 gallon
as soon as i add casing it goes into the FC, unless teh strain is strain tha benefits from patching.ALso ill be useing 6 quart tubs lined with foil..
so prolly like 1.5" of substrate/ how much coir/ how much casing should i add? also i only start to mist at the casing point? im assuming this because there should still be moisture in the coir and dont want to over do it.. thanks again
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Re: Using some teks and need suggestions thanks [Re: Quickee]
#11681235 - 12/19/09 02:43 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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do you need to pateurize the casing layer? i've never done one before. i was gonna pasteurize my first one though, just potting soil.
looks like you have got everything else spot on. 2 cc of spore solution per quart jar will be fine, pc for 60-90 mins at 15 psi (just put the stove setting on high)
spawn substrate is fully colonized, spawn to bulk. i dont think the bulk sub has to be FULLY colonized when you apply a late casing. actually, im pretty sure any time before that would be better
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Re: Using some teks and need suggestions thanks [Re: Quickee]
#11681255 - 12/19/09 02:46 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jars 2/3 to 3/4 full. 1 mL per quart is plenty of spores. (I use 2-3 mL of LC though.) Casing optional with coir. Better yield but more risks. Don't line tubs with foil. Use a black bag inside or dark tape outside. For those 6 quart tubs, I use two quart jars of colonized grain mixed with enough coir (+whatever) to fill the tub.
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Re: Using some teks and need suggestions thanks [Re: Wimy]
#11681269 - 12/19/09 02:49 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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weiliiinmyyard said: pc for 60-90 mins at 15 psi
Or longer, if you need to. Nothing wrong with going 120 on quarts and larger.
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weiliiinmyyard said: (just put the stove setting on high)
No. Read and follow the manufacturer's instructions. Run it at the lowest temperature setting you can while maintaining full pressure.
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Re: Using some teks and need suggestions thanks [Re: Wimy]
#11681284 - 12/19/09 02:53 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Casing layers do need to be pasteurized, I've had poorly prepared verm/peat contaminate. You do need to pasteurize the coir, you can boil some water then throw it on your coir in a bucket. Cover the bucket then use the coir the next day, yes it needs to be moist, but not soaking wet. Squeeze it until only a few drops come out. then, take your spawn and mix it with coir in a 1:3 or 1:4 ratio. Casing layer should be applied when the tray/tub is fully colonized. The casing layer should be a half inch to an inch thick. You wait ~ a week so that myc can grow across the casing then introduce it to fruiting conditions. 60 minutes at 15 psi is what is recommended by Doc's WBS TEK for grain prep. You use ~2ml per quart jar. I'm using half pints so I use 1 ml.
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Re: Using some teks and need suggestions thanks [Re: Doc_T]
#11681293 - 12/19/09 02:54 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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weiliiinmyyard said: pc for 60-90 mins at 15 psi
Or longer, if you need to. Nothing wrong with going 120 on quarts and larger.
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weiliiinmyyard said: (just put the stove setting on high)
No. Read and follow the manufacturer's instructions. Run it at the lowest temperature setting you can while maintaining full pressure.
Doc's right, you start out on high heat, but then set it to low/medium when the pressure has built within the unit.
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Re: Using some teks and need suggestions thanks [Re: Doc_T]
#11681300 - 12/19/09 02:55 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Speaking from my personal experience. I would skip the casing.
It takes a lot of trial and error to perfect the proper conditions for casing stages, and the difference will be very negligible.
I've done with and without various times, and I've decided that the hassle of casing just isn't worth it for me.
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Re: Using some teks and need suggestions thanks [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
#11681338 - 12/19/09 03:00 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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True, you do not need a casing layer in order to fruit cubes, maybe skipping it would be a wise choice, less chance of failure.
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Re: Using some teks and need suggestions thanks [Re: Doc_T]
#11681363 - 12/19/09 03:04 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Doc_T said:
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weiliiinmyyard said: pc for 60-90 mins at 15 psi
Or longer, if you need to. Nothing wrong with going 120 on quarts and larger.
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weiliiinmyyard said: (just put the stove setting on high)
No. Read and follow the manufacturer's instructions. Run it at the lowest temperature setting you can while maintaining full pressure.
lol my bad. atleast im learning
why less heat? mine's never lost too much water
all i really know is i do it on high on a nice glasstop stove and it works- but if i could understand this a bit better that would be cool. would help the op, too
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Re: Using some teks and need suggestions thanks [Re: Wimy]
#11681369 - 12/19/09 03:05 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, but you may be damaging your PC.
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Re: Using some teks and need suggestions thanks [Re: m00nshine]
#11681428 - 12/19/09 03:15 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah actually it did look alot shinier/ ring fit better a couple months ago
im gonna quit using my moms pc and invest in some vermiculite. she gave one but i have to get a jiggler for it
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Re: Using some teks and need suggestions thanks [Re: Wimy]
#11681439 - 12/19/09 03:16 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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weiliiinmyyard said:
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Doc_T said:
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weiliiinmyyard said: pc for 60-90 mins at 15 psi
Or longer, if you need to. Nothing wrong with going 120 on quarts and larger.
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weiliiinmyyard said: (just put the stove setting on high)
No. Read and follow the manufacturer's instructions. Run it at the lowest temperature setting you can while maintaining full pressure.
lol my bad. atleast im learning
why less heat? mine's never lost too much water
all i really know is i do it on high on a nice glasstop stove and it works- but if i could understand this a bit better that would be cool. would help the op, too
You are boiling the water, water boils at 220f. If you heat it on high the entire time it still won't go over 220f unless you evaporate all the water. So heat on high until pressure is up and then reduce heat to maintain pressure. CH
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Re: Using some teks and need suggestions thanks [Re: Quickee]
#11681511 - 12/19/09 03:30 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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thanks you guys are awesome! since there is less room for failure ill do no casing..but just for shits giggles and personal knowledge im gonna do 1 or 2 with a casing.. i like to learn new stuff.and ill study the difference =p
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Re: Using some teks and need suggestions thanks [Re: Wimy]
#11681525 - 12/19/09 03:33 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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weiliiinmyyard said: why less heat? mine's never lost too much water
As the jiggler jiggles, it releases heat, pressure, and moisture. All of which you want to retain. So use the lowest setting that maintains full pressure and temperature.
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Re: Using some teks and need suggestions thanks [Re: Doc_T]
#11681527 - 12/19/09 03:33 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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mine is around 6- 6 1/2
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Re: Using some teks and need suggestions thanks [Re: Doc_T]
#11681536 - 12/19/09 03:34 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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quickee- yeah! go science
thanks ch. very informative
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weiliiinmyyard said: why less heat? mine's never lost too much water
As the jiggler jiggles, it releases heat, pressure, and moisture. All of which you want to retain. So use the lowest setting that maintains full pressure and temperature.
yeah makes sense. mine has a cool switch that you can set to release steam or retain as much as possible so i just keep it on the latter
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Re: Using some teks and need suggestions thanks [Re: Wimy]
#11681557 - 12/19/09 03:37 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's like flooring your car's accelerator and then using the brake to control your speed.
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Re: Using some teks and need suggestions thanks [Re: Quickee]
#11681565 - 12/19/09 03:38 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quickee said: so prolly like 1.5" of substrate/ how much coir/ how much casing should i add? also i only start to mist at the casing point? im assuming this because there should still be moisture in the coir and dont want to over do it.. thanks again
1.5" sub is thin for cubes 3" is good some people go as thick as 5". For 6qt shoe box tubs I do 4" and make it a double tub. Don't mist or even open the tub until 100% colonized. GL, CH
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Re: Using some teks and need suggestions thanks [Re: Doc_T]
#11681779 - 12/19/09 04:13 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Doc_T said: That's like flooring your car's accelerator and then using the brake to control your speed.
and usually i cut it down to 7.5 (my stove uses 1-10 on incrememnts of .1)so just keep steam coming out or try to keep it just under the temp that it lets out steam at?
good lookin out. everybody should listen to doc, i've made a habbit of doing so and it works out pretty good.
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Re: Using some teks and need suggestions thanks [Re: Wimy]
#11681784 - 12/19/09 04:14 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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second that. good dude dont see what all the hate is about but i get it to so
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Re: Using some teks and need suggestions thanks [Re: feelfunny]
#11681792 - 12/19/09 04:15 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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jealous fuckers. lol
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Re: Using some teks and need suggestions thanks [Re: Wimy]
#11735329 - 12/29/09 01:11 AM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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so after they are 100% colonized to the bulk sub then spray them and put them in the FC..
how do you get a second flush on these? add more coir? or what be specific please thanks
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Re: Using some teks and need suggestions thanks [Re: Quickee]
#11738671 - 12/29/09 05:33 PM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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Quickee said: so after they are 100% colonized to the bulk sub then spray them and put them in the FC..
how do you get a second flush on these? add more coir? or what be specific please thanks
After 100% mist and fan often.
The second flush will come, if your sub is dry you can dunk it after the first flush or I prefer just a heavy misting. But DO NOT add more coir. CH
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