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tugwax
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The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money
#11676286 - 12/18/09 04:51 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here's the beginnings of list of things that I've read in the forum that aren't really necessary or involves excessive expense. Please add your own!
- Drying out rain leeched manure right before rehydrating it.
- Trying to find lights with just the right color temperature.
- Automatic moisture delivery or FAE for a small grow. I myself fell into this OTT solution for just 9 cakes. Even though it was successful I soon reverted to manual methods with greater yield. Now the timers, air pump and fogger are gathering dust, £70 wasted.
- Using anything other than tap water.
- Trying to find PF jars (in the UK anyway)
- Trying to find hardwood chips when any old mixed stuff will do.
- Buying spore syringes of the same species more than once.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: tugwax]
#11676306 - 12/18/09 04:55 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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great job. great job. the last one for sure. "trying to find PF jars" (in the US too) pointless. another one i want to add is...buying organic brown rice and blending it yourself for PF jars. i thought that i would get better results and not once have i seen better results than just buying organic brown rice flour
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: tugwax]
#11676315 - 12/18/09 04:58 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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PF jars ? I just bought some Bon Marche jam jars from tesco cost me £1.20 each 
I have bought 2 syringes of the same strain only because the first failed to grow 
But since then i have discovered free trade 
And i dont even live in the third world .
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: myco_mikey_mo]
#11676320 - 12/18/09 04:59 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Spraying lysol all over the room before fanning.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: myco_mikey_mo]
#11676335 - 12/18/09 05:03 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just use manure and gypsum for the PF tek. Manure is free. No need to spend money on brown rice flour, its expensive. You dont even need verm. You'll get bigger mushrooms and wont cost anything.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: emptyvessal]
#11676344 - 12/18/09 05:05 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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emptyvessal said: PF jars ? I just bought some Bon Marche jam jars from tesco cost me £1.20 each 
You were robbed. 6 drinks glasses for a quid in the pound shop. Just add foil lid.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Cloneufc]
#11676347 - 12/18/09 05:06 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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tub in tub incubators
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: tugwax]
#11676354 - 12/18/09 05:07 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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tugwax said:
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emptyvessal said: PF jars ? I just bought some Bon Marche jam jars from tesco cost me £1.20 each 
You were robbed. 6 drinks glasses for a quid in the pound shop. Just add foil lid.
ooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh but did your drinks glasses come with jam!!!!!!! No NO they didnt who is the silly billy now
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: emptyvessal]
#11676392 - 12/18/09 05:13 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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emptyvessal said:
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tugwax said:
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emptyvessal said: PF jars ? I just bought some Bon Marche jam jars from tesco cost me £1.20 each 
You were robbed. 6 drinks glasses for a quid in the pound shop. Just add foil lid.
ooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh but did your drinks glasses come with jam!!!!!!! No NO they didnt who is the silly billy now 
Ahhh but since I moved on from PF I'm drinking wine from one right now. You'd look silly drinking wine from a jam jar.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: tugwax]
#11676405 - 12/18/09 05:16 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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tugwax said: You'd look silly drinking wine from a jam jar.
You only say that because your country has no jars. 
I'm sipping vodka and Sprite from a jam jar right now. Tastes great!
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Doc_T]
#11676431 - 12/18/09 05:20 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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i disagree with the lighting, try growing with an incandescent light bulb and tell me ho well it turns out
also the wood chips, try growing on cedar and pine mixed ant tell me those results as well
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not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Rustifer]
#11676433 - 12/18/09 05:20 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lysol/oust and hygrometers are unnecessary.
Buying rye berries by the pound is a little expensive. When you buy it by the bag it is as cheap as birdseed.
I used Tyvek sleeves for working inside my glovebox but buying a box of shoulder length polypro gloves at the Feed & Seed is cheaper.
Buy large size bottles of 70% rubbing alcohol, micropore tape, h202 (for battling dactylium), and nitrile gloves at a drug store and save a few bucks over the grocery store prices.
Be picky about how much you are paying for bulk substrate ingredients. Folks that are paying for manure, or buying straw at a pet store are being ripped off. ~P~
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tugwax
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Doc_T]
#11676445 - 12/18/09 05:22 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Doc_T said:
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tugwax said: You'd look silly drinking wine from a jam jar.
You only say that because your country has no jars. 
I'm sipping vodka and Sprite from a jam jar right now. Tastes great! 
Isn't that what you guys call 'redneck'?
We got tons of jars, it's just none of them are tapered except for a particular expensive foreign fancy jam one. With a gay lid.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Psuper]
#11676457 - 12/18/09 05:24 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why would you say a hygrometer is unnecessary? The $3 hygrometer I'm using, while inaccurate, has been very useful in telling me if what I'm doing is lowering the humidity too much.
I got some of those shoulder length sleeves too and I think I'm going back to using rubber gloves because the plastic fingers on the sleeves are so sloppy.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: sansa]
#11676499 - 12/18/09 05:31 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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But i still have lots of jam! And u can drink anything from a jam jar but u cant get jam from a drinks glass !! game over  
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: sansa]
#11676503 - 12/18/09 05:32 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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sansa said:
Why would you say a hygrometer is unnecessary?
To be edgy and controversial.
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sansa said:
I got some of those shoulder length sleeves too and I think I'm going back to using rubber gloves because the plastic fingers on the sleeves are so sloppy.
I always wear nitrile gloves over the top of the polypro gloves for this reason. ~P~
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: sansa]
#11676516 - 12/18/09 05:34 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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id say a glovebox is a waste considering i never use one and rarely if ever get a contamination and a buddy of mine who has one gets a contamination most of the time... also anything electrical not including the stove of course.. a mask.. throwing away a jar or tray because a contamn showed up..
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: evildee125]
#11676521 - 12/18/09 05:35 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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do you do agar work?
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CapZilla said:
not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.
Citric said:
Your signature is wrong on colonization temps!
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: noobieshroomie]
#11676542 - 12/18/09 05:38 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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i do.. im a lucky bastard i suppose
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: tugwax]
#11676559 - 12/18/09 05:41 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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With a gay lid.
LOLLLLLLL
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: dicky21]
#11676586 - 12/18/09 05:44 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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With a gay lid.
LOLLLLLLL
I think we're going to need pics of the lid.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: jenns_hot]
#11676794 - 12/18/09 06:15 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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jenns_hot said: tub in tub incubators
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tugwax
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: noobieshroomie]
#11676916 - 12/18/09 06:36 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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noobieshroomie said: i disagree with the lighting, try growing with an incandescent light bulb and tell me ho well it turns out
also the wood chips, try growing on cedar and pine mixed ant tell me those results as well
-noobie-
If heated air in an enclosed space can be eliminated then incandescent will work. There is quite a spread of blue spectra in incandescent.
Agreed that fluorescent is the WTG, just not to waste resources over the color temp which is misleading with fluoros anyway.
I did a side by side spawn run with pure beech compared to mixed woods from the English countryside including conifer. Mixed colonized significantly faster. I'll let you know next year how the mixed fruited.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Cloneufc]
#11676920 - 12/18/09 06:37 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cloneufc said: Just use manure and gypsum for the PF tek. Manure is free. No need to spend money on brown rice flour, its expensive. You dont even need verm. You'll get bigger mushrooms and wont cost anything.
How do you figure? Manure is a bulk substrate and as such it must be used in bulk. It won't produce much in a 1/2 pint jar, BRF and verm will rock manure in PF tek anyday. Not to mention you'll probably have a really shitty time starting spores directly on bulk.
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tugwax said:
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noobieshroomie said: i disagree with the lighting, try growing with an incandescent light bulb and tell me ho well it turns out
also the wood chips, try growing on cedar and pine mixed ant tell me those results as well
-noobie-
If heated air in an enclosed space can be eliminated then incandescent will work. There is quite a spread of blue spectra in incandescent.
Agreed that fluorescent is the WTG, just not to waste resources over the color temp which is misleading with fluoros anyway.
Noobie has this right. Incandescents are crap as a source of light and they have totally the wrong spectrum. Fluorescent ratings are not misleading. You want cool white or daylight color temps, which put off the blue light that mushrooms wants.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Doc_T]
#11677054 - 12/18/09 07:03 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Doc_T said:
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dicky21 said:
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With a gay lid.
LOLLLLLLL
I think we're going to need pics of the lid.
i googled gay lid http://www.lidbrooklyn.org/
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CapZilla said:
not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.
Citric said:
Your signature is wrong on colonization temps!
GOOD JUDGMENT COMES FROM EXPERIENCE
EXPERIENCE COMES FROM BAD JUDGMENT
ROOM TEMP 70-75 IS BEST FOR COLONIZATION
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: tugwax]
#11677254 - 12/18/09 07:37 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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tugwax said: If heated air in an enclosed space can be eliminated then incandescent will work. There is quite a spread of blue spectra in incandescent.
Agreed that fluorescent is the WTG, just not to waste resources over the color temp which is misleading with fluoros anyway.
I did a side by side spawn run with pure beech compared to mixed woods from the English countryside including conifer. Mixed colonized significantly faster. I'll let you know next year how the mixed fruited.
The charts suggest incandescents have very little in the blue spectrum.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.edinformatics.com/inventions_inventors/300px-Incandescent_flashlight_spectrum.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.edinformatics.com/inventions_inventors/flashlight.htm&h=232&w=300&sz=5&tbnid=v_nkSdo6sDcwvM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dincandescent%2Bspectrum&usg=__-zdjPNKd84SlfRI7Mmq3q5JYULc=&ei=7zssS--WJMXSngfxwtTuCA&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=3&ct=image&ved=0CAoQ9QEwAg
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: sansa]
#11677330 - 12/18/09 07:51 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wood chips cmon a fiver for 56L id pay that just so i dont have to trek it to the Kent countryside to collect some and ringing the council for wood mulch is fucking long in fact dealing with the council is long no matter what you to do.
Manure is only dried so it can be stored
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: sansa]
#11677336 - 12/18/09 07:53 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Weak, little red-spectrum incandescent bulb, or badass mother F'n blue-spectrum daylight bulbs - your choice.
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tugwax
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: badman]
#11677552 - 12/18/09 08:34 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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badman said: Wood chips cmon a fiver for 56L id pay that just so i dont have to trek it to the Kent countryside to collect some and ringing the council for wood mulch is fucking long in fact dealing with the council is long no matter what you to do.
Ah you haven't covered much of your garden then. It's £30 for 3000L The other side of the tunnel.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: tugwax]
#11677572 - 12/18/09 08:37 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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badman said: Wood chips cmon a fiver for 56L id pay that just so i dont have to trek it to the Kent countryside to collect some and ringing the council for wood mulch is fucking long in fact dealing with the council is long no matter what you to do.
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tugwax said: Ah you haven't covered much of your garden then. It's £30 for 3000L The other side of the tunnel.
You got a phone number?
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: badman]
#11677685 - 12/18/09 08:59 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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badman said: You got a phone number?
http://www.treefella.co.uk/ Dont forget to take a truck!
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Doc_T]
#11679282 - 12/19/09 06:00 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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With a gay lid.
LOLLLLLLL
I think we're going to need pics of the lid.
Like this?
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: 4trouble]
#11679482 - 12/19/09 08:04 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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nice pink ribbon. you keep your mycelium fresh.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: dxharms]
#11679543 - 12/19/09 08:34 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Man, I hope no noobs read this. Glove box is a waste of time. Surgical mask, waste of money. Making manure PF cakes, not providing the right light. Wow.
I agree incubators are a waste though.Oh and spraying lysol before fanning, yeah not only a waste but bound to make your fruits unhappy I would think.
Awww, that gay lid is cute;)
Edited by VictoriaPandora (12/19/09 08:35 AM)
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: tugwax]
#11679615 - 12/19/09 09:01 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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tugwax said: Here's the beginnings of list of things that I've read in the forum that aren't really necessary or involves excessive expense. Please add your own!
Trying to find lights with just the right color temperature.
Agreed, provided that a 50% or better increase in harvest weight for the next five or six years isn't worth a couple of quid/$3 for the correct spectrum lamp. For most of us, the payoff on buying a natural daylight fluorescent or LED lamp comes on the very first harvest.
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tugwax said: Automatic moisture delivery or FAE for a small grow. I myself fell into this OTT solution for just 9 cakes. Even though it was successful I soon reverted to manual methods with greater yield. Now the timers, air pump and fogger are gathering dust, £70 wasted.
Agreed. Been saying it for years regarding terrariums. Save the humidifiers and timers for a mini-greenhouse.
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tugwax said: Trying to find hardwood chips when any old mixed stuff will do.
Not so. While softwoods will colonize faster because they're less dense, fruiting performance is substantially reduced. Mixed woods are OK if the majority of material comes from hardwood sources, with just a few conifers tossed in. If you want to use Pine, chip it up and let it sit in the sun for a year before use. However, it will still underperform hardwood. RR
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: tugwax]
#11679648 - 12/19/09 09:12 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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badman said: You got a phone number?
http://www.treefella.co.uk/ Dont forget to take a truck!
Good link but i think a truck load is way too much 56L will keep me occupied for months. It would be useful for a commercial grow op.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: wygram]
#11680007 - 12/19/09 10:38 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cloneufc said: Just use manure and gypsum for the PF tek. Manure is free. No need to spend money on brown rice flour, its expensive. You dont even need verm. You'll get bigger mushrooms and wont cost anything.
How do you figure? Manure is a bulk substrate and as such it must be used in bulk. It won't produce much in a 1/2 pint jar, BRF and verm will rock manure in PF tek anyday. Not to mention you'll probably have a really shitty time starting spores directly on bulk.
Sorry to burst your bubble but cubes will grow on anything. Ive done the PF tek with BRF and it was a waste of time. I did the PF tek many times with just manure and gypsum. There was no difference in speed but there was a difference in the size. The manure cubes were bigger.I have yet to see any substrate beat manure. I have even done the PF with just straw. Cube spores germinate all the same no matter what substrate you use. I have even used quart jars with just manure as spawn and everything turned out just fine. Cubes are just not particular. Until you have tried these experiments you cant talk, your just pointing fingers.
Edited by Cloneufc (12/19/09 10:39 AM)
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: joska87]
#11680057 - 12/19/09 10:48 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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tits work and have saved my jars in times of (no money for oil) but they can also be horrible- when the heat is back on ) they do hold there place in mycology
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: RogerRabbit]
#11680213 - 12/19/09 11:16 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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tugwax said: Here's the beginnings of list of things that I've read in the forum that aren't really necessary or involves excessive expense. Please add your own!
Trying to find lights with just the right color temperature.
Agreed, provided that a 50% or better increase in harvest weight for the next five or six years isn't worth a couple of quid/$3 for the correct spectrum lamp. For most of us, the payoff on buying a natural daylight fluorescent or LED lamp comes on the very first harvest.
Suppose we examine two types of tube, a warm white and a daylight. Both tubes have the same blue end phosphors but the warm white has extra red end phosphor cocktails to bring the color temperature down.
Is consensus saying this extra red output somehow negates the effect of the blue for the mushroom?
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: tugwax]
#11680285 - 12/19/09 11:33 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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id say a glovebox is a waste considering i never use one and rarely if ever get a contamination
I agree, I do all my work on a cookie sheet, door open to a hot oven. Is a little warm but hasn't failed me yet.
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id say a glovebox is a waste considering i never use one and rarely if ever get a contamination
I agree, I do all my work on a cookie sheet, door open to a hot oven. Is a little warm but hasn't failed me yet.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: dgls_jms]
#11680613 - 12/19/09 12:39 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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id say a glovebox is a waste considering i never use one and rarely if ever get a contamination
I agree, I do all my work on a cookie sheet, door open to a hot oven. Is a little warm but hasn't failed me yet.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: dgls_jms]
#11680636 - 12/19/09 12:44 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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id say a glovebox is a waste considering i never use one and rarely if ever get a contamination
I agree, I do all my work on a cookie sheet, door open to a hot oven. Is a little warm but hasn't failed me yet.
If this is PF inoculation then it's beliveable and probably an acceptable risk.
Just don't bother heating the oven next time, it's an urban legend that it makes any difference.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: tugwax]
#11680649 - 12/19/09 12:47 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you could rig up astronaut gloves in the door, you'd have a self-sterilizing glovebox.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Doc_T]
#11680714 - 12/19/09 01:04 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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a glove box is just as important as a pressure cooker in mycology. prob. the 2 most important things u can get.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: fig]
#11680836 - 12/19/09 01:34 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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If this is PF inoculation then it's beliveable and probably an acceptable risk.
I inoculate, do g2g transfers and clone to LC this way.
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Just don't bother heating the oven next time, it's an urban legend that it makes any difference.
Uhm, no it's science. The heat creates an updraft that carries any airborne contaminant up and away from what you are working on.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: dgls_jms]
#11680877 - 12/19/09 01:41 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah, it creates an updraft right THROUGH the area you're working on
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: fig]
#11680911 - 12/19/09 01:46 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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fig said: a glove box is just as important as a pressure cooker in mycology. prob. the 2 most important things u can get.
Not quite, you can take chances with inoculation in a clean room but never get away without sterilizing the cakes or spawn first. A PC if definitely the best for this.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: tugwax]
#11681014 - 12/19/09 02:06 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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fig said: a glove box is just as important as a pressure cooker in mycology. prob. the 2 most important things u can get.
Not quite, you can take chances with inoculation in a clean room but never get away without sterilizing the cakes or spawn first. A PC if definitely the best for this.
Well said. I've innoc'd many times and even made successful syringes in a small, clean room. If the oven tek has worked for you, you're just lucky.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: ambargh]
#11681681 - 12/19/09 03:56 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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ambargh said: yeah, it creates an updraft right THROUGH the area you're working on 
not to mention an updraft 2ft from the floor is gonna pull air into your work area from where?
that's right bob, 1ft from the floor where the grand majority of contaminants linger!
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: artizen]
#11681701 - 12/19/09 04:00 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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this has turned into a joke, its sad to see what some think they know
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: feelfunny]
#11681957 - 12/19/09 04:50 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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it works for me that is what I know, but then I have a slight OCD when it comes to cleaning.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: dgls_jms]
#11682687 - 12/19/09 06:57 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Adding a casing layer to bulk substrates are a waste of time.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: PerpetualTripper]
#11682854 - 12/19/09 07:42 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: the bad suggestions thread.
why bother buying anything, just leave your food out on the counter. your bound to grow something.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: feelfunny]
#11683012 - 12/19/09 08:13 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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this has turned into a joke, its sad to see what some think they know
Isn't this the story of the shroomery though. I wish people would quit being fucking "know it alls" when in fact, they think they know because they read something somewhere where another person thought they knew it all, and the cycle continues. 
If you are going to post something, make for damn sure you know what the hell you are talking about. Not directed at anyone in particular, as I didn't even read most of this thread, but I bring up a valid point.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: fig]
#11683499 - 12/19/09 09:53 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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fig said: a glove box is just as important as a pressure cooker in mycology. prob. the 2 most important things u can get.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
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this thread is scary.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: 13shrooms]
#11683598 - 12/19/09 10:14 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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no this thread is so much bad info here its stupid even from the beginning
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: noobieshroomie]
#11683773 - 12/19/09 10:49 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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so i should disregard anything ive read in here since i can't discern whats good and whats not other that maybe what rr posted?
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Jordanian]
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: 13shrooms]
#11683811 - 12/19/09 11:00 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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pretty much
there are a few intelligent answers in here but not many
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not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: noobieshroomie]
#11683946 - 12/19/09 11:42 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: RogerRabbit]
#11685098 - 12/20/09 09:08 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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tugwax said: Here's the beginnings of list of things that I've read in the forum that aren't really necessary or involves excessive expense. Please add your own!
Trying to find lights with just the right color temperature.
Agreed, provided that a 50% or better increase in harvest weight for the next five or six years isn't worth a couple of quid/$3 for the correct spectrum lamp. For most of us, the payoff on buying a natural daylight fluorescent or LED lamp comes on the very first harvest.
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tugwax said: Automatic moisture delivery or FAE for a small grow. I myself fell into this OTT solution for just 9 cakes. Even though it was successful I soon reverted to manual methods with greater yield. Now the timers, air pump and fogger are gathering dust, £70 wasted.
Agreed. Been saying it for years regarding terrariums. Save the humidifiers and timers for a mini-greenhouse.
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tugwax said: Trying to find hardwood chips when any old mixed stuff will do.
Not so. While softwoods will colonize faster because they're less dense, fruiting performance is substantially reduced. Mixed woods are OK if the majority of material comes from hardwood sources, with just a few conifers tossed in. If you want to use Pine, chip it up and let it sit in the sun for a year before use. However, it will still underperform hardwood. RR
even this was putting it lightly. i thought he was gonna on this one, for sure.
if you need to save money this bad just don't bother getting into mycology. wtf experimentation is part of the life energy of this place and this hobby. if your a begginer, do a couple of brf cakes in a milk jug. if you get hooked on the hobby, you'll find the money to do things properly. it's one thing to say "whatever works for YOU" i completely agree with that but, most of the suggestions in this thread are simply lazy, cheapskate, cornercutting and just BAD ADVICE.
if you wanna save money go here http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9107974#9107974 or ebay or craigslist or walmart but don't just NOT BUY THINGS. in general we don't NEED anything, we could all just sit arround a fucking candle every night.

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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: artizen]
#11686264 - 12/20/09 01:10 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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It would have been nice if more experienced growers had added some things that they view as a waste in order to steer the new growers into making the most of their pocket money and away from worn shoe leather.
The topic has been lost in the noise of nit-picking, wallet ego and controversy.
Will a Moderator please lock it?
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: tugwax]
#11686568 - 12/20/09 02:00 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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tugwax said: It would have been nice if more experienced growers had added some things that they view as a waste in order to steer the new growers into making the most of their pocket money and away from worn shoe leather.
The topic has been lost in the noise of nit-picking, wallet ego and controversy.
Will a Moderator please lock it?
OK
cold shocking pre-made spawn/sub wick type humidifiers any incubator
i think jenshot mentioned the TIT and there were one or 2 other suggestions that made sense but, when nearly every other post is saying not to follow commonly practiced and PROVEN methods like a GB and casing layers and suggesting alternitives like the oven door thing, wtf.
i do agree with one thing
i'm sorry i even bumped it with my rants but, hopefully this will keep noobs from taking bad advice to save some pocket change.
this is not a personnal attack. i'm sure you had the best intentions.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: artizen]
#11688545 - 12/20/09 07:47 PM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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my favorite was the guy who pressure cooks his jars empty
then takes them out and opens them to cool.......................................................
to then fill them to pressure cook them again
really? seriously? are you that impaired that you don't realize what you are doing is retarded and a complete, and i mean total....waste of time
and these incubators and glove boxes an incubator is useful if you live outside in a tent in canada and the only thing i can see a glovebox useful for is g2g or maybe making a spore syringe
everything else can be done with an alcohol soaked sponge on the needle no gloves no cleaning no retarded mask and hair net
RTV + alcohol soaked sponge on needle = win
i find it slightly saddening that they don't spend the time to research and find that there are better ways to do things
they read one thing once and think that's all there is
no, its a constant improvement process like everything in life
but i guess there are people out their who are good with status quo and being mediocre
i at least will take the time to attempt improvement
remember without improvement we would all most likely be doing pf jars
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: sleepyrz]
#11690427 - 12/21/09 02:48 AM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
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First time through im regretting even doing pf tek. spawning some cheep seed to coir is my next bet.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
#11690461 - 12/21/09 03:10 AM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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#1 waste of time...using the search engine. Just make a post and expect everyone to come up with answers for you. With any luck, it will work.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Dragonaut]
#11690575 - 12/21/09 04:38 AM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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Drum Roll Please! Open air inoculation is the biggest waste of time. I put this together because its so damn funny.
"1 cubic foot of normal household air contains on average: 100,000 invisible particulates. So, every square inch of that air carries: One hell of a load of possible contaminate spores. Agar
Best success rate for open air inoculation. Is to continuously keep the needle covered. With an alc saturated gauze pad, foam, paper towel, or cotton balls. Otherwise, you will not BE LUCKY, FOR LONG." Agar
Anyone who recommends open air inoculations can be compared to a drunk who recommends drinking and driving. RR
Agar is a very experienced grower. His method you linked keeps the needle covered at all times in an alcohol soaked cloth. That's actually not 'open air'. Leave the needle in open air and see what happens. A glovebox is very easy to make. RR
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"id say a glovebox is a waste considering i never use one and rarely if ever get a contamination
I agree, I do all my work on a cookie sheet, door open to a hot oven. Is a little warm but hasent fail me yet."
"so I had a WBS jar that started showing contams a couple days after the myc started growing. I put it on my back porch and forgot about it. Now I'm not going to use but but the battle for life inside that jar has been amazing to watch. The myc pushed the mold to the very top, just a very few grains, and took over the whole jar. Fun to watch!"
"I ordered up 4 syringes from ralph. I also ordered a "sterile liquid culture" in a qt mason jar off of ebay. They ebay dude was taking forever to ship so I went out and bought some baby bottles, did my best to sterilize in the mic, knocked up after they cooled down. 30 hours later, mycelia is covering the bottom, so I swirled to distribute it throughout the culture. After I swirled, they became cloudy and remained that way, never saw the mycelia back at the bottom. This is when I realized I should invest in a pc, so I ordered one up, should arrive today. So while I'm waiting for my pc, my "sterile lc" arrived. It was clear and apeared to be contan free. knocked it up with a cc from a fresh spore syringe. 24 hours later, bottoms covered in mycelia. So last night, I swirled to disrtibute it. This morning the jar is all cloudy, and there is not as much mycelia on the bottom as last night. I am starting to think it is either ralphs syringes, or the "sterile aiport syringe" that this guy sent me. I figured when he said sterile it would still be in the autoclave bag, but it was a syringe stuffed with polyfill, no plunger, with the needle already attached, whole think rapped in foil, in a ziplock bag. I used ipa and flamed the needles. Also, It got really could here over the past week, went from 80's to around 70, dropping into the 50's at night. MY thermostat reads 70 inside, but I think it might get lower during the night, as the heater is not turned on yet. I know this would slow myclia growth, but would it speed up bacterial growth? I was thinking about setting the jar on a heating pad thing, but I don't want it to get too hot. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks"
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"On one of my recent attempts, i used 6 BRF/Verm jars and cubensis spore syringes. I inoculated in open air(dumb idea) all six jars about 3 weeks ago. The result: 4jars infected with green/black molds, and the other 2 surviving jars did not colonize or change at all. No growth. What happened? I inoculated 1-2 maybe even 3cc's in each jar. Still after 3 weeks, nothings happened. Any insights for me? Seems like failure. Really disappointing ya know?"
I got extremely lucky with innoculating my LC and fungi rye bag in open air. They are both progressing without contamination. However, the bag is progressing at a glacial speed. The LC is almost done colonizing. When its done should I suck up some of that mycelium and inject it into my fungi bag to speed it up?
I've never had success in growing mushrooms yet, but my 3rd attempt was the closest. I inoculated two quart sized pre-sterilized rye grain jars back in july. The mycelium grew in one of them but not the other. However, it grew about halfway up the jar and then stopped. It went dormant or something. so my question is, can i re-inoculate the jar that didn't grow any mycelium? its really old, but theres no contamination.
VampireSlayer Why i'm done with OPEN AIR INOCULATIONS
"Just wanted to say...i did open air innoc for a year with pretty good success. actually only till the last couple months have I been getting contams...I do not fuck with open air period!! it is just a 50/50 in my oppinion. I put the blame on a vendor here about a contammed syringe but NOW i'm not sure if it was the the vendor to blame or if it was me...the point is if you use any other method (flow air or still air) then you can easssily put the blame on the culture or syringe (talking cubie syringer growers here not graintograin and stuff) but grain to grain I WOULD NEVER do in open air but NOW i'll never even do open air period...it's too risky period"
NinjaGaiden
"I've had 100% success with using the oven tek. I do everything: Make syringes, inoculate jars, G2G transfers using the oven.
I'm not at all trying to debate if the tek itself is bogus or not, but it does work for some." NinjaGaiden
"more like 100% LUCK
and I will debate it...
the Oven tek is crap!~" Roadkill
jeetered
"i always open air inoculate. I like "glacial" that's great, i've found that with spore to grain before too. LC to grain is much much faster. I don't know anything about adding LC to it to speed it up though."
"i do pretty much everything open air except agar work."
Re: What in the world! Contamination Forum jeetered 03/25/07 06:58 PM Re: Contamination??? Contamination Forum jeetered 05/17/07 08:43 PM Re: Contamination??? Contamination Forum jeetered 05/18/07 07:51 PM Re: Bacillus contam in rye Contamination Forum jeetered 07/01/07 09:47 AM black,blue,green,and purple molds in 3 jars, 18 total contam'd (failed g2g ) Contamination Forum jeetered 11/07/07 08:08 AM Re: black,blue,green,and purple molds in 3 jars, 18 total contam'd (failed g2g ) Contamination Forum jeetered 11/07/07 08:34 AM Re: black,blue,green,and purple molds in 3 jars, 18 total contam'd (failed g2g ) Contamination Forum jeetered 11/07/07 10:44 AM Re: black,blue,green,and purple molds in 3 jars, 18 total contam'd (failed g2g ) Contamination Forum jeetered 11/07/07 10:51 AM Re: black,blue,green,and purple molds in 3 jars, 18 total contam'd (failed g2g ) Contamination Forum jeetered 11/08/07 05:37 AM Re: black,blue,green,and purple molds in 3 jars, 18 total contam'd (failed g2g ) Contamination Forum jeetered 11/09/07 05:31 AM Re: black,blue,green,and purple molds in 3 jars, 18 total contam'd (failed g2g ) Contamination Forum jeetered 11/10/07 07:54 AM Re: black,blue,green,and purple molds in 3 jars, 18 total contam'd (failed g2g ) Contamination Forum
figgusfiddus
"Yeah, open air inoculation isn't really that risky. When I get screwed up, it's usually the substrate conditions that do it."
Re: Contamination? Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 05/10/07 01:15 PM Re: Contamination? Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 05/14/07 10:39 AM Re: Daaaaaaaamn! Green Mold... Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 06/13/07 06:53 PM Re: weird growth on cake (pic) Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 06/16/07 05:05 PM Re: weird growth on cake (pic) Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 06/16/07 08:28 PM Re: What kind of infection is this? [pics] Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 06/16/07 08:50 PM Re: What kind of infection is this? [pics] Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 06/16/07 08:57 PM Re: Daaaaaaaamn! Green Mold... Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 06/17/07 02:19 PM Re: weird growth on cake (pic)update Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 06/17/07 06:13 PM Re: wet looking caps Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 06/17/07 06:15 PM Re: weird growth on cake (pic) Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 06/18/07 02:49 PM Re: ...is this Trich? Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 07/06/07 01:27 PM Re: ...is this Trich? Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 07/06/07 01:28 PM Low humidity promoting molds (esp. trichoderma)? Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 07/28/07 04:13 PM Re: Low humidity promoting molds (esp. trichoderma)? Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 07/30/07 10:27 PM Re: If i have a piece of bread with green mold on it... Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 01/30/08 03:46 PM
myndreach
"do most people here actually use a glovebox or something? SWIM has never had contams as a result of air...the one they got was because of a bad syringe.
lysol for surfaces, oust for the air, dust mask and rubber gloves."
Re: Worst Contam Pic Contamination Forum myndreach 05/27/05 08:55 AM Re: tiny black spec on mycelium Contamination Forum myndreach 06/01/05 04:26 PM First grow...AFOAF is freaking out...come this far....contam? Contamination Forum myndreach 06/10/05 09:27 PM Re: First grow...AFOAF is freaking out...come this far....contam? Contamination Forum myndreach 06/10/05 09:50 PM Re: black stuff in syringe Contamination Forum myndreach 06/11/05 10:48 PM Re: Possible contam on mushrooms? Contamination Forum myndreach 06/12/05 08:22 PM Re: brown mycellium? Contamination Forum myndreach 06/12/05 08:23 PM Re: spots on white mycelium Contamination Forum myndreach 06/13/05 09:00 AM Contam or Myc Piss? Contamination Forum myndreach 06/13/05 11:06 AM Re: Contam or Myc Piss? Contamination Forum myndreach 06/14/05 07:27 AM Contams in jar? Brown/Orange/Wet spot mold? Need help quick please. Contamination Forum myndreach 07/02/05 09:51 AM Re: Question about appearance of some recently acquired dried shrooms Contamination Forum myndreach 07/07/05 04:59 PM wet spot mold, brown mold, or just too moist? Contamination Forum myndreach 07/11/05 09:00 AM Re: wet spot mold, brown mold, or just too moist? Contamination Forum myndreach 07/11/05 09:44 AM Is this Jar okay? Please help. Contamination Forum myndreach 07/13/05 09:55 AM Re: Is this Jar okay? Please help. Contamination Forum myndreach 07/13/05 12:46 PM Re: Is this Jar okay? Please help. Contamination Forum myndreach 07/13/05 12:59 PM Re: discoloration Contamination Forum myndreach 07/14/05 09:25 AM Re: Are these mushrooms ruined? Contamination Forum myndreach 07/18/05 01:20 PM Is this jar okay? Please look and let me know. Contamination Forum myndreach 07/18/05 02:31 PM Re: Is this jar okay? Please look and let me know. Contamination Forum myndreach 07/18/05 05:17 PM Re: Is this jar okay? Please look and let me know. Contamination Forum myndreach 07/18/05 05:25 PM What is this? Are these salvagable? Contamination Forum myndreach 04/22/07 07:30 AM Re: what is this black stuff in my PF jar? Contamination Forum myndreach 04/22/07 07:42 AM Re: Weird Contamination Forum myndreach 04/22/07 07:44 AM Re: What is this? Are these salvagable? Contamination Forum myndreach 04/24/07 10:31 AM Re: hello all....first post here....got a question Contamination Forum myndreach 04/24/07 10:34 AM Myc piss, right? (pic) Contamination Forum myndreach 04/30/07 09:54 AM Re: Myc piss, right? (pic) Contamination Forum myndreach 04/30/07 10:42 AM Re: Cobweb mold? Contamination Forum myndreach 05/26/07 10:44 PM Pan cyan tray...what's going on? Contamination Forum myndreach 05/29/07 02:35 PM Re: Pan cyan tray...what's going on? Contamination Forum myndreach 05/29/07 08:01 PM
ButterWeasels
"ive inoculated many jars and ive only had 1 contam in las vegas but i didnt make the jar, it was from pjars, my very first grow. just flame sterilize often and youll have no problems in open air, in a clean house."
Re: Should I just case these cakes? Contamination Forum ButterWeasels 12/15/06 03:28 PM Cobweb? Problems Contamination Forum ButterWeasels 10/18/07 07:42 AM Re: Cobweb? Problems Contamination Forum ButterWeasels 10/18/07 07:51 AM Re: Cobweb? Problems Contamination Forum ButterWeasels 10/18/07 08:46 AM Cobweb? Monotub Problems Contamination Forum ButterWeasels 10/18/07 09:25 AM Re: Cobweb? Problems Contamination Forum ButterWeasels 10/18/07 10:46 AM Re: Cobweb? Monotub Problems Contamination Forum ButterWeasels 10/18/07 11:15 AM Re: Cobweb? Problems Contamination Forum ButterWeasels 10/18/07 01:13 PM Re: Cobweb? Problems Contamination Forum ButterWeasels 10/18/07 03:20 PM Re: Cobweb? Problems Contamination Forum ButterWeasels 10/19/07 06:47 AM
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Cloneufc]
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What the hell...edit that junk please. Open air inoculations FTW. Unless you are doing G2G or agar work, all you need are some alcohol wipes and a lighter/alc. lamp to keep the needle sterile.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Cloneufc]
#11690649 - 12/21/09 05:25 AM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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I could go on to find a million of these!
WHY
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Cloneufc]
#11690688 - 12/21/09 05:52 AM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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Cloneufc said: Drum Roll Please! Open air inoculation is the biggest waste of time. I put this together because its so damn funny.
"1 cubic foot of normal household air contains on average: 100,000 invisible particulates. So, every square inch of that air carries: One hell of a load of possible contaminate spores. Agar
Best success rate for open air inoculation. Is to continuously keep the needle covered. With an alc saturated gauze pad, foam, paper towel, or cotton balls. Otherwise, you will not BE LUCKY, FOR LONG." Agar
Anyone who recommends open air inoculations can be compared to a drunk who recommends drinking and driving. RR
Agar is a very experienced grower. His method you linked keeps the needle covered at all times in an alcohol soaked cloth. That's actually not 'open air'. Leave the needle in open air and see what happens. A glovebox is very easy to make. RR
dgls_jms
"id say a glovebox is a waste considering i never use one and rarely if ever get a contamination
I agree, I do all my work on a cookie sheet, door open to a hot oven. Is a little warm but hasent fail me yet."
"so I had a WBS jar that started showing contams a couple days after the myc started growing. I put it on my back porch and forgot about it. Now I'm not going to use but but the battle for life inside that jar has been amazing to watch. The myc pushed the mold to the very top, just a very few grains, and took over the whole jar. Fun to watch!"
"I ordered up 4 syringes from ralph. I also ordered a "sterile liquid culture" in a qt mason jar off of ebay. They ebay dude was taking forever to ship so I went out and bought some baby bottles, did my best to sterilize in the mic, knocked up after they cooled down. 30 hours later, mycelia is covering the bottom, so I swirled to distribute it throughout the culture. After I swirled, they became cloudy and remained that way, never saw the mycelia back at the bottom. This is when I realized I should invest in a pc, so I ordered one up, should arrive today. So while I'm waiting for my pc, my "sterile lc" arrived. It was clear and apeared to be contan free. knocked it up with a cc from a fresh spore syringe. 24 hours later, bottoms covered in mycelia. So last night, I swirled to disrtibute it. This morning the jar is all cloudy, and there is not as much mycelia on the bottom as last night. I am starting to think it is either ralphs syringes, or the "sterile aiport syringe" that this guy sent me. I figured when he said sterile it would still be in the autoclave bag, but it was a syringe stuffed with polyfill, no plunger, with the needle already attached, whole think rapped in foil, in a ziplock bag. I used ipa and flamed the needles. Also, It got really could here over the past week, went from 80's to around 70, dropping into the 50's at night. MY thermostat reads 70 inside, but I think it might get lower during the night, as the heater is not turned on yet. I know this would slow myclia growth, but would it speed up bacterial growth? I was thinking about setting the jar on a heating pad thing, but I don't want it to get too hot. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks"
sHrOoMaCiDe
"On one of my recent attempts, i used 6 BRF/Verm jars and cubensis spore syringes. I inoculated in open air(dumb idea) all six jars about 3 weeks ago. The result: 4jars infected with green/black molds, and the other 2 surviving jars did not colonize or change at all. No growth. What happened? I inoculated 1-2 maybe even 3cc's in each jar. Still after 3 weeks, nothings happened. Any insights for me? Seems like failure. Really disappointing ya know?"
I got extremely lucky with innoculating my LC and fungi rye bag in open air. They are both progressing without contamination. However, the bag is progressing at a glacial speed. The LC is almost done colonizing. When its done should I suck up some of that mycelium and inject it into my fungi bag to speed it up?
I've never had success in growing mushrooms yet, but my 3rd attempt was the closest. I inoculated two quart sized pre-sterilized rye grain jars back in july. The mycelium grew in one of them but not the other. However, it grew about halfway up the jar and then stopped. It went dormant or something. so my question is, can i re-inoculate the jar that didn't grow any mycelium? its really old, but theres no contamination.
VampireSlayer Why i'm done with OPEN AIR INOCULATIONS
"Just wanted to say...i did open air innoc for a year with pretty good success. actually only till the last couple months have I been getting contams...I do not fuck with open air period!! it is just a 50/50 in my oppinion. I put the blame on a vendor here about a contammed syringe but NOW i'm not sure if it was the the vendor to blame or if it was me...the point is if you use any other method (flow air or still air) then you can easssily put the blame on the culture or syringe (talking cubie syringer growers here not graintograin and stuff) but grain to grain I WOULD NEVER do in open air but NOW i'll never even do open air period...it's too risky period"
NinjaGaiden
"I've had 100% success with using the oven tek. I do everything: Make syringes, inoculate jars, G2G transfers using the oven.
I'm not at all trying to debate if the tek itself is bogus or not, but it does work for some." NinjaGaiden
"more like 100% LUCK
and I will debate it...
the Oven tek is crap!~" Roadkill
jeetered
"i always open air inoculate. I like "glacial" that's great, i've found that with spore to grain before too. LC to grain is much much faster. I don't know anything about adding LC to it to speed it up though."
"i do pretty much everything open air except agar work."
Re: What in the world! Contamination Forum jeetered 03/25/07 06:58 PM Re: Contamination??? Contamination Forum jeetered 05/17/07 08:43 PM Re: Contamination??? Contamination Forum jeetered 05/18/07 07:51 PM Re: Bacillus contam in rye Contamination Forum jeetered 07/01/07 09:47 AM black,blue,green,and purple molds in 3 jars, 18 total contam'd (failed g2g ) Contamination Forum jeetered 11/07/07 08:08 AM Re: black,blue,green,and purple molds in 3 jars, 18 total contam'd (failed g2g ) Contamination Forum jeetered 11/07/07 08:34 AM Re: black,blue,green,and purple molds in 3 jars, 18 total contam'd (failed g2g ) Contamination Forum jeetered 11/07/07 10:44 AM Re: black,blue,green,and purple molds in 3 jars, 18 total contam'd (failed g2g ) Contamination Forum jeetered 11/07/07 10:51 AM Re: black,blue,green,and purple molds in 3 jars, 18 total contam'd (failed g2g ) Contamination Forum jeetered 11/08/07 05:37 AM Re: black,blue,green,and purple molds in 3 jars, 18 total contam'd (failed g2g ) Contamination Forum jeetered 11/09/07 05:31 AM Re: black,blue,green,and purple molds in 3 jars, 18 total contam'd (failed g2g ) Contamination Forum jeetered 11/10/07 07:54 AM Re: black,blue,green,and purple molds in 3 jars, 18 total contam'd (failed g2g ) Contamination Forum
figgusfiddus
"Yeah, open air inoculation isn't really that risky. When I get screwed up, it's usually the substrate conditions that do it."
Re: Contamination? Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 05/10/07 01:15 PM Re: Contamination? Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 05/14/07 10:39 AM Re: Daaaaaaaamn! Green Mold... Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 06/13/07 06:53 PM Re: weird growth on cake (pic) Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 06/16/07 05:05 PM Re: weird growth on cake (pic) Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 06/16/07 08:28 PM Re: What kind of infection is this? [pics] Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 06/16/07 08:50 PM Re: What kind of infection is this? [pics] Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 06/16/07 08:57 PM Re: Daaaaaaaamn! Green Mold... Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 06/17/07 02:19 PM Re: weird growth on cake (pic)update Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 06/17/07 06:13 PM Re: wet looking caps Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 06/17/07 06:15 PM Re: weird growth on cake (pic) Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 06/18/07 02:49 PM Re: ...is this Trich? Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 07/06/07 01:27 PM Re: ...is this Trich? Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 07/06/07 01:28 PM Low humidity promoting molds (esp. trichoderma)? Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 07/28/07 04:13 PM Re: Low humidity promoting molds (esp. trichoderma)? Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 07/30/07 10:27 PM Re: If i have a piece of bread with green mold on it... Contamination Forum figgusfiddus 01/30/08 03:46 PM
myndreach
"do most people here actually use a glovebox or something? SWIM has never had contams as a result of air...the one they got was because of a bad syringe.
lysol for surfaces, oust for the air, dust mask and rubber gloves."
Re: Worst Contam Pic Contamination Forum myndreach 05/27/05 08:55 AM Re: tiny black spec on mycelium Contamination Forum myndreach 06/01/05 04:26 PM First grow...AFOAF is freaking out...come this far....contam? Contamination Forum myndreach 06/10/05 09:27 PM Re: First grow...AFOAF is freaking out...come this far....contam? Contamination Forum myndreach 06/10/05 09:50 PM Re: black stuff in syringe Contamination Forum myndreach 06/11/05 10:48 PM Re: Possible contam on mushrooms? Contamination Forum myndreach 06/12/05 08:22 PM Re: brown mycellium? Contamination Forum myndreach 06/12/05 08:23 PM Re: spots on white mycelium Contamination Forum myndreach 06/13/05 09:00 AM Contam or Myc Piss? Contamination Forum myndreach 06/13/05 11:06 AM Re: Contam or Myc Piss? Contamination Forum myndreach 06/14/05 07:27 AM Contams in jar? Brown/Orange/Wet spot mold? Need help quick please. Contamination Forum myndreach 07/02/05 09:51 AM Re: Question about appearance of some recently acquired dried shrooms Contamination Forum myndreach 07/07/05 04:59 PM wet spot mold, brown mold, or just too moist? Contamination Forum myndreach 07/11/05 09:00 AM Re: wet spot mold, brown mold, or just too moist? Contamination Forum myndreach 07/11/05 09:44 AM Is this Jar okay? Please help. Contamination Forum myndreach 07/13/05 09:55 AM Re: Is this Jar okay? Please help. Contamination Forum myndreach 07/13/05 12:46 PM Re: Is this Jar okay? Please help. Contamination Forum myndreach 07/13/05 12:59 PM Re: discoloration Contamination Forum myndreach 07/14/05 09:25 AM Re: Are these mushrooms ruined? Contamination Forum myndreach 07/18/05 01:20 PM Is this jar okay? Please look and let me know. Contamination Forum myndreach 07/18/05 02:31 PM Re: Is this jar okay? Please look and let me know. Contamination Forum myndreach 07/18/05 05:17 PM Re: Is this jar okay? Please look and let me know. Contamination Forum myndreach 07/18/05 05:25 PM What is this? Are these salvagable? Contamination Forum myndreach 04/22/07 07:30 AM Re: what is this black stuff in my PF jar? Contamination Forum myndreach 04/22/07 07:42 AM Re: Weird Contamination Forum myndreach 04/22/07 07:44 AM Re: What is this? Are these salvagable? Contamination Forum myndreach 04/24/07 10:31 AM Re: hello all....first post here....got a question Contamination Forum myndreach 04/24/07 10:34 AM Myc piss, right? (pic) Contamination Forum myndreach 04/30/07 09:54 AM Re: Myc piss, right? (pic) Contamination Forum myndreach 04/30/07 10:42 AM Re: Cobweb mold? Contamination Forum myndreach 05/26/07 10:44 PM Pan cyan tray...what's going on? Contamination Forum myndreach 05/29/07 02:35 PM Re: Pan cyan tray...what's going on? Contamination Forum myndreach 05/29/07 08:01 PM
ButterWeasels
"ive inoculated many jars and ive only had 1 contam in las vegas but i didnt make the jar, it was from pjars, my very first grow. just flame sterilize often and youll have no problems in open air, in a clean house."
Re: Should I just case these cakes? Contamination Forum ButterWeasels 12/15/06 03:28 PM Cobweb? Problems Contamination Forum ButterWeasels 10/18/07 07:42 AM Re: Cobweb? Problems Contamination Forum ButterWeasels 10/18/07 07:51 AM Re: Cobweb? Problems Contamination Forum ButterWeasels 10/18/07 08:46 AM Cobweb? Monotub Problems Contamination Forum ButterWeasels 10/18/07 09:25 AM Re: Cobweb? Problems Contamination Forum ButterWeasels 10/18/07 10:46 AM Re: Cobweb? Monotub Problems Contamination Forum ButterWeasels 10/18/07 11:15 AM Re: Cobweb? Problems Contamination Forum ButterWeasels 10/18/07 01:13 PM Re: Cobweb? Problems Contamination Forum ButterWeasels 10/18/07 03:20 PM Re: Cobweb? Problems Contamination Forum ButterWeasels 10/19/07 06:47 AM
I could go on to find a million of these!
That was fucking hilarious. Thank you.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: dancefloordale]
#11690691 - 12/21/09 05:54 AM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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Thank you! Finally someone gets it! lol
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Cloneufc]
#11690698 - 12/21/09 06:02 AM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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"I ordered up 4 syringes from ralph. I also ordered a "sterile liquid culture" in a qt mason jar off of ebay. They ebay dude was taking forever to ship so I went out and bought some baby bottles, did my best to sterilize in the mic, knocked up after they cooled down. 30 hours later, mycelia is covering the bottom, so I swirled to distribute it throughout the culture. After I swirled, they became cloudy and remained that way, never saw the mycelia back at the bottom. This is when I realized I should invest in a pc, so I ordered one up, should arrive today. So while I'm waiting for my pc, my "sterile lc" arrived. It was clear and apeared to be contan free. knocked it up with a cc from a fresh spore syringe. 24 hours later, bottoms covered in mycelia. So last night, I swirled to disrtibute it. This morning the jar is all cloudy, and there is not as much mycelia on the bottom as last night. I am starting to think it is either ralphs syringes, or the "sterile aiport syringe" that this guy sent me. I figured when he said sterile it would still be in the autoclave bag, but it was a syringe stuffed with polyfill, no plunger, with the needle already attached, whole think rapped in foil, in a ziplock bag. I used ipa and flamed the needles. Also, It got really could here over the past week, went from 80's to around 70, dropping into the 50's at night. MY thermostat reads 70 inside, but I think it might get lower during the night, as the heater is not turned on yet. I know this would slow myclia growth, but would it speed up bacterial growth? I was thinking about setting the jar on a heating pad thing, but I don't want it to get too hot. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks"
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Cloneufc]
#11690702 - 12/21/09 06:07 AM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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Im a little disapointed to find people still saying gloveboxes are a waste of time.
I dont doubt that a SELECT group of people are very successfull with doing inoculations in open air, however from being on this forum nearly every day for the past 3-4 years and from my own personal experiences. Not using a glovebox has been the cause of alot of failures.
The needle is not the only point that contamination could get into a jar, the jar itself is also at risk. Spores landing on the jar lid, on the inoc holes and getting pushed through during inoculation.
I tried and tried using open air inoculations, keeping the needle covered, wiping the jar lid with IPA, even flaming and inoculating wile the needle was still hot and i would get 90% contam rate.
Glovebox's are certainly not a waste of time and considering how cheaply 1 can be constructed and if made right, they are very easy to work inside.
If you use a glovebox you also save money on all those chemicals you are spraying everywhere. No need to empty a bottle of lysol and a can of oust, just a nice few spraws around your glovebox.
IMO open air inoculations are a waste of time, too much effort spent trying to sterilise the air and surfaces. Yoiu'd be better of spending a few minutes each day keeping your place tidy and clean.
I made mine oiut of cardboard.

Total cost was for that was somewhere around £1 after buying clinging film.
99% success rate, inoculating substrates, LC making prints and syringes.
My flat however does have a high spore count. My bedroom (which i dont use) grows green mold. Its winter just now, i put a chair in there which i dont use and its growing mold after just a month and its bloody cold in there, muyst be close to 0.
Not everyone has a very clean place thats dry with a low spore count.
Also, i noticed someone put down lighting as a waste. The best mushrooms i have grown, and that i have seen grown across the forum has been with bright light in the daylight range on a day night schedule.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: veda_sticks]
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The thread is still controversial but seems to have taken a turn for the better.
Is it just me or is everyone calling a still air box a glovebox? If it was a glovebox then wouldn't it have gloves attached?
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: tugwax]
#11691673 - 12/21/09 11:30 AM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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Still Air/Glove Box
  
The only thing better would be a Laminar Flow Hood. (Soon to come)
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: tugwax]
#11691725 - 12/21/09 11:39 AM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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this thread is a waste.... first things i did make a glove box out of plastic so it can be bleached clean and 3 months later bought a pc! at the very least it has been entertaining......as far as threads go..... i am sure this one will die and get resurfaced so many times....
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: jdolphinbabe]
#11691810 - 12/21/09 11:53 AM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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nexus1946 said: Still Air/Glove Box
  
The only thing better would be a Laminar Flow Hood. (Soon to come) 
Yes I made one just like that when waiting for the spores for my first grow. Contam free but just too awkward to use. Flow hood construction commenced immediately and has been in use ever since.
If you don't have any problem using that glovebox then I'd recommend a filtered hole on the side of the box to equalize the pressure differences when you move your hands in and out.
I'm sure this kind of design is much better than a still air box for just a little more work.
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jdolphinbabe said: this thread is a waste.... first things i did make a glove box out of plastic so it can be bleached clean and 3 months later bought a pc! at the very least it has been entertaining......as far as threads go..... i am sure this one will die and get resurfaced so many times....
You now use a PC instead of a glovebox?
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: tugwax]
#11691872 - 12/21/09 12:05 PM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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no lol it would be way to small... i use the pc for wbs silly!
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: sleepyrz]
#11691944 - 12/21/09 12:20 PM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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sleepyrz said: an incubator is useful if you live outside in a tent in canada
What about those of us who live in igloos? Is Alaska part of Canada now? What about Russia? Oh wait, it only gets cold in Canada. 
What actually should be stated; you know, because you don't want to confuse the Noobs and all, is that incubators have their place.
Like folks here have been stating for some time now that they live in cold climates and don't have the luxury of having their 'incubation' areas at optimal temperatures. Hence the need for some sort of incubator.
I can't for the life of me figure out why a small group of people here keep bashing folks for using one, Like, "OH God no!", just because they have never, or failed with. But yet, tell people it's great to use just a normal light bulb, or grow in a small closet, or don't mist directly, etc., etc.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: nexus1946]
#11692615 - 12/21/09 02:38 PM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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sleepyrz said: an incubator is useful if you live outside in a tent in canada
Have admit to using a big polystyrene cool box for spawn, agar and LC with a power resistor bolted to a metal plate inside and a thermostat. Christmas temps in the unheated room just bottomed at 50f (UK) but it's still a toasty 80f in the incubator albeit £10 well spent and a measily 5-10W consumption.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: veda_sticks]
#11692659 - 12/21/09 02:42 PM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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veda_sticks said: Im a little disapointed to find people still saying gloveboxes are a waste of time.
I dont doubt that a SELECT group of people are very successfull with doing inoculations in open air, however from being on this forum nearly every day for the past 3-4 years and from my own personal experiences. Not using a glovebox has been the cause of alot of failures.
The needle is not the only point that contamination could get into a jar, the jar itself is also at risk. Spores landing on the jar lid, on the inoc holes and getting pushed through during inoculation.
I tried and tried using open air inoculations, keeping the needle covered, wiping the jar lid with IPA, even flaming and inoculating wile the needle was still hot and i would get 90% contam rate.
Glovebox's are certainly not a waste of time and considering how cheaply 1 can be constructed and if made right, they are very easy to work inside.
If you use a glovebox you also save money on all those chemicals you are spraying everywhere. No need to empty a bottle of lysol and a can of oust, just a nice few spraws around your glovebox.
IMO open air inoculations are a waste of time, too much effort spent trying to sterilise the air and surfaces. Yoiu'd be better of spending a few minutes each day keeping your place tidy and clean.
I made mine oiut of cardboard.

Total cost was for that was somewhere around £1 after buying clinging film.
99% success rate, inoculating substrates, LC making prints and syringes.
My flat however does have a high spore count. My bedroom (which i dont use) grows green mold. Its winter just now, i put a chair in there which i dont use and its growing mold after just a month and its bloody cold in there, muyst be close to 0.
Not everyone has a very clean place thats dry with a low spore count.
Also, i noticed someone put down lighting as a waste. The best mushrooms i have grown, and that i have seen grown across the forum has been with bright light in the daylight range on a day night schedule.
Yeah, I do all inoculations in the open, If you work quick, it's ok, generally. Anything that would land on the needle in the time you move it away from the flame to the injection port will be killed by the still red hot needle. Everything else goes in the GB.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: dancefloordale]
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that GB looks blag, no offence.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: badman]
#11693026 - 12/21/09 03:22 PM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: 13shrooms]
#11693044 - 12/21/09 03:24 PM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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i want that sammich,is that bacon i see
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: noobieshroomie]
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I think its nutella
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: badman]
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Dragonaut]
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buying desiccant was a waste of money for me. I went and bought a cheap adjustable dehydrator. Little extra upfront cost, but worth it. Now I have a bag of damp rid, and will probably never use it.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: ducky1]
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: ducky1]
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ducky1 said: buying desiccant was a waste of money for me. I went and bought a cheap adjustable dehydrator. Little extra upfront cost, but worth it. Now I have a bag of damp rid, and will probably never use it.
Put the damprid in coffe filters and store a packet in the ziploc baggie with your shrooms. 
That's all I use mine for.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: dancefloordale]
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I think that GB is awesome. Some would consider it a palace. :bum:
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: ambargh]
#11696262 - 12/21/09 11:41 PM (15 years, 29 days ago) |
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For most noobie growers doing bulk, casing layers often result in more problems than their worth. The benefits of adding a casing layer are usually offset by the risk of adding another chance at inducing contamination when a person is relatively unexperienced with the process.. With cubes atleast..
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: koopa_troopa]
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koopa_troopa said: For most noobie growers doing bulk, casing layers often result in more problems than their worth. The benefits of adding a casing layer are usually offset by the risk of adding another chance at inducing contamination when a person is relatively unexperienced with the process.. With cubes atleast..
thats if they even know what a "casing" actualy is...most think spawning to bulk is called casing and I HATE IT!!! sorry.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: 13shrooms]
#11698327 - 12/22/09 11:31 AM (15 years, 29 days ago) |
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OK I'm a newbie and I don't even have my first grow yet, the spores and in the mail on the way here. No I don't think I know it all and what I do know iv learned from youtube and here. To re-cap a bit you say incubators are not needed.. OK but from what Iv read temps should be in the high 80's to low 90's. I live in a worm area southern CA but even here is gets a bit chilly at night wont that slow growth?
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Genocide666]
#11698335 - 12/22/09 11:33 AM (15 years, 29 days ago) |
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noooo thats way too hot normal room temperature is fine 70-75 deg
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Genocide666]
#11698410 - 12/22/09 11:43 AM (15 years, 29 days ago) |
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any where from 65-75 is alright. 70-75 is perfect. If your temps in your place are still around 65 or greater there is no need to incubate. At those temps it might take at most a few days or so
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Genocide666]
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Genocide666 said: OK I'm a newbie and I don't even have my first grow yet, the spores and in the mail on the way here. No I don't think I know it all and what I do know iv learned from youtube and here. To re-cap a bit you say incubators are not needed.. OK but from what Iv read temps should be in the high 80's to low 90's. I live in a worm area southern CA but even here is gets a bit chilly at night wont that slow growth?
Use the worms for fishing.
Normal room temperature is superior for colonizing mushroom substrates, NOT the 80s. You don't find experienced growers telling you to use 'incubators' if your house is comfortable for you in a t-shirt. Commercial mushroom farms colonize substrates at 69F tops.
Be very careful reading advice posted here, or written in books over five years ago. We've learned a LOT since then. RR
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: RogerRabbit]
#11698665 - 12/22/09 12:32 PM (15 years, 29 days ago) |
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I agree. Mycology is definately a growing and learning field. We know much, but not all. Theories and experiments are still being made everyday. I mean, how many different types of fungii have been recently found? How many intelligent men have tried to copy morel fruiting conditions and cycles to apply them to cultivation and failed (which still bothers me, I mean, they can cultivate truffles now, why can't they figure them out?)
BTW, what's wrong with a small closet for fruiting? As long as you allow for FAE it shouldn't be too big of a deal, right?
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: grimeyobject]
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As long as you have proper conditions and FAE a closet will be fine
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Shea25]
#11698805 - 12/22/09 12:55 PM (15 years, 29 days ago) |
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dont do pf tek with just poo its take forevor i shot up 5 jars just to see what would happen (LC) im down to just one that might make it and it has been over 3 month's. no way any one will win a race that way.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: RogerRabbit]
#11698929 - 12/22/09 01:15 PM (15 years, 29 days ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Normal room temperature is superior for colonizing mushroom substrates, NOT the 80s.
Obviously the word has not spread quick enough even for the Shroomery newcomers guide which says:-
"If you really want to incubate do not have temperatures above 80F. The values given in many teks of 86F are outdated and optimum growth is attained at around 80F. This is because the jars produce a little heat which brings the temperature up to the 82-3F optimum."
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PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: tugwax]
#11699258 - 12/22/09 02:05 PM (15 years, 29 days ago) |
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This is horrible advice (PF manure tek).. honestly this thread should be locked for the sole reason that only experienced growers can deduce what is good advice (very little) and what is horrible advice (90 %) within this thread.
A PF Tek consisting of solely manure and gypsum is horrible advice. Good luck getting spores to colonize even a portion of a half pint of manure/gypsum, LC would take forever as well... now adding some verm and coir would be a different story but will still have issues colonizing completely, unless done in bags (which works very well due to the fact it allows you to break up and spread the colonized parts of the sub).
I have yet to see any vindication for this thread. Im tired of seeing bad and lazy advice being touted as fact..
Noobs- If you see any post proclaiming "gloveboxes are useless waste" and open air innoculations and oven teks as valid alternatives, or "latex gloves are faggy".. disregard anything else being said. All this crap directly inspires 100s of posts on noob failures. Proper sterile technique is the single most valuable skill any new grower can learn to prevent future problems and failures. Every successful grow produced by cutting corners and half assed shortcuts are only the fruits of experience from a poisonous tree.. a false sense of experience and "job well done" which invariably leads to multiple failed grows of larger scale.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: koopa_troopa]
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: 13shrooms]
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I knew this thread was bombing the moment I seen people mentioning anecdotes to their advice.
On a side note, Paul Stamets in GGMM says he does not use not only tyvek wrist sleeves, but also gloves. He instead washes frequently in a lab environment. Since reading this, because my old ones were looking trashy, I've tried the sleeveless method. Instead scrubbing my arms well and no contams yet. Not sure I'll stick with this one, I may break back down and get some just to be safe.
Also I'm pretty sure a bandanna can work well as replacement for a surgical mask and a particulate mask for handling vermiculite or perlite. If it was good enough for the surgeons of the late 1800s and early 1900s or third world factory workers it's good enough for me.
Also Vedda, seriously, move out of that house before it kills you. What in the fuck are you thinking still living in that place? Do you own it, if so why haven't you fixed it yet you lazy bastard? I swear over one year ago you were complaining about how you were having trouble growing in your house and we all told you it had to be mold, now your chair molds in that room in a month and you haven't left yet? What the fuck? It's not as if that level of mold in that one room isn't likely also infecting or already in neighboring rooms. Have you even tried to figure out the vector of the moisture seepage that started the problem?
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: ScavengerType]
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sleeves + gloves = FTW!
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lol if a chair is molding the outlook of growing fungi of any sort isnt looking to bright for the veda.. not to mention who the hell keeps a chair till it molds? sounds like an aquateen hunger force episode haha.. your just asking to be the next candidate for a lawyer infomercial.. fuck mesothelioma  On the brightside though.. if you do have some luck cultivating you may very well develop some mold resistant strans lol
Im not saying theres not some good advice in this thread.. just enough bad that its gonna make it damn hard for a noob to sort through which is which
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: 13shrooms]
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so this is a little off topic, but im spawning 2 large tubs right now with un-pasteurized coir.
lets hope that "pasteurizing coir" really is a waste of time.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: emptyvessal]
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emptyvessal said: PF jars ? I just bought some Bon Marche jam jars from tesco cost me £1.20 each 
You were robbed. 6 drinks glasses for a quid in the pound shop. Just add foil lid.
ooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh but did your drinks glasses come with jam!!!!!!! No NO they didnt who is the silly billy now 
I also got the bon marche jars, and their jam is IMMENSE
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: Citizen13]
#11700594 - 12/22/09 04:58 PM (15 years, 29 days ago) |
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Citizen13 said: so this is a little off topic, but im spawning 2 large tubs right now with un-pasteurized coir.
lets hope that "pasteurizing coir" really is a waste of time.
I do it anyway, but I think there is actually some merit to this wise tale. I've heard that spores do not germinate on it (again hearsay from this forum so...). So given a decent spawn ratio little or no contaminants should take.
I should add that I've had many tubs where I keep my hydrated coir sit for months without any visible or smellable contaminants. Not all have reported this same experience though.
Again, better safe than stuck in a long-term commitment with responsibilities you never even remotely wanted.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: ScavengerType]
#11700634 - 12/22/09 05:02 PM (15 years, 29 days ago) |
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Citizen13 said: so this is a little off topic, but im spawning 2 large tubs right now with un-pasteurized coir.
lets hope that "pasteurizing coir" really is a waste of time.
I do it anyway, but I think there is actually some merit to this wise tale. I've heard that spores do not germinate on it (again hearsay from this forum so...). So given a decent spawn ratio little or no contaminants should take.
I should add that I've had many tubs where I keep my hydrated coir sit for months without any visible or smellable contaminants. Not all have reported this same experience though.
Again, better safe than stuck in a long-term commitment with responsibilities you never even remotely wanted.
well i have 16 tubs going right now that are coir, and none of them have shown a sign of trich,etc.
i feel confident that these 2 test tubs will prove that i wasted alot of my time pastuerizing all that coir.
anyone disagree? feel free to save me money/time with your horror stories!
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: Citizen13]
#11700693 - 12/22/09 05:09 PM (15 years, 29 days ago) |
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I pasteurize my coir just to be on the safe side. call it a waste of time if you want but so is cleaning a contamed room/area.
you reap what you sow.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: 13shrooms]
#11700715 - 12/22/09 05:11 PM (15 years, 29 days ago) |
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13shrooms said: I pasteurize my coir just to be on the safe side. call it a waste of time if you want but so is cleaning a contamed room/area.
you reap what you sow. 
well then... i'm going to use 20 dollar bills instead of spores next time to inoculate my bags.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: Citizen13]
#11700758 - 12/22/09 05:15 PM (15 years, 29 days ago) |
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: koopa_troopa]
#11701032 - 12/22/09 05:50 PM (15 years, 29 days ago) |
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koopa_troopa said: This is horrible advice (PF manure tek).. honestly this thread should be locked for the sole reason that only experienced growers can deduce what is good advice (very little) and what is horrible advice (90 %) within this thread.
A PF Tek consisting of solely manure and gypsum is horrible advice. Good luck getting spores to colonize even a portion of a half pint of manure/gypsum, LC would take forever as well... now adding some verm and coir would be a different story but will still have issues colonizing completely, unless done in bags (which works very well due to the fact it allows you to break up and spread the colonized parts of the sub).
I have yet to see any vindication for this thread. Im tired of seeing bad and lazy advice being touted as fact..
Noobs- If you see any post proclaiming "gloveboxes are useless waste" and open air innoculations and oven teks as valid alternatives, or "latex gloves are faggy".. disregard anything else being said. All this crap directly inspires 100s of posts on noob failures. Proper sterile technique is the single most valuable skill any new grower can learn to prevent future problems and failures. Every successful grow produced by cutting corners and half assed shortcuts are only the fruits of experience from a poisonous tree.. a false sense of experience and "job well done" which invariably leads to multiple failed grows of larger scale.
Not only do they colonize just as fast as grains but they colonize pint jars just fine. This is straight manure no gypsum. I have yet to see cubie spores not germinate. They will even germinate in just distilled water. I speak from experience as I have done the PF tek off of manure more times than you have had birthdays. Your a noob spreading misinformation. Your not speaking from experience your just running your mouth. Your just a copycat repeating what others do. Become a real person and gain experience with what works. Next he'll be telling Neil Armstrong what the moon is like.

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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: Cloneufc]
#11701296 - 12/22/09 06:20 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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All bulk substrates including coir should be pasteurized. There's more to pasteurization than just killing mold spores. By 'cooking', we release more of what the mycelium needs. Performance is almost always better on pasteurized bulk substrates than on non-pasteurized.
I've often said coir can be used with no heat treatment, but that's more in answer to someone with green mold on their tray. My point is that it's the spawn which was contaminated, not the coir. You'll find performance is better if you'll pasteurize the coir. RR
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: RogerRabbit]
#11701411 - 12/22/09 06:34 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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well shit i was just about to mix up my tubs.
now i have to go and pasteurize them afterall for peace of mind.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: koopa_troopa]
#11701487 - 12/22/09 06:44 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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koopa_troopa said: ...this thread should be locked for the sole reason that only experienced growers can deduce what is good advice (very little) and what is horrible advice (90 %) within this thread.
I have yet to see any vindication for this thread. Im tired of seeing bad and lazy advice being touted as fact..
There's bad advice in almost every thread, not just this one. At least everone is discussing cultivation, and not snuggies for dogs.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: ambargh]
#11701527 - 12/22/09 06:49 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: Citizen13]
#11701555 - 12/22/09 06:53 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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Citizen13 said:
SNUGGIES ARE FOR HUMANS ONLY THANK YOU
i agree

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not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: noobieshroomie]
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I jokingly told my bf's mom I wanted a leopard one for my birthday, and she totally got me one. It's so fuggin gay - I had to wear it while we watched a movie at their house.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: ambargh]
#11701745 - 12/22/09 07:11 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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 or at least send the pic to me
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not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: noobieshroomie]
#11701755 - 12/22/09 07:12 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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oh, man
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: ambargh]
#11701759 - 12/22/09 07:13 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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ambargh said: I jokingly told my bf's mom I wanted a leopard one for my birthday, and she totally got me one. It's so fuggin gay - I had to wear it while we watched a movie at their house.
you HAD to?
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: Citizen13]
#11701796 - 12/22/09 07:19 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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I didn't want to make her feel bad. 
Dood, noobie - I just looked at the pics and there's no way I'm putting that sh** on the internet.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: ambargh]
#11701808 - 12/22/09 07:20 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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ambargh said: I didn't want to make her feel bad. 
Dood, noobie - I just looked at the pics and there's no way I'm putting that sh** on the internet. 
this thread is about you in a leopard print snuggie, please stay on topic by posting pictures.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: ambargh]
#11701819 - 12/22/09 07:22 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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  i wont show anyone i promise
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not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: noobieshroomie]
#11701828 - 12/22/09 07:23 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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You could put in a black bar to hide the snuggie.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: noobieshroomie]
#11701829 - 12/22/09 07:23 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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snuggies the ultimate thread killer 
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not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: noobieshroomie]
#11701860 - 12/22/09 07:28 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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noobieshroomie said: snuggies the ultimate thread killer 
-noobie-
i don't want to brag but i think i discovered this about a month ago
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11552497#11552497
please correct me if i'm wrong, i don't want to get all cocky without justification.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: noobieshroomie]
#11701874 - 12/22/09 07:30 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: ambargh]
#11701878 - 12/22/09 07:31 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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This is pretty funny VVV http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/UnNews:Area_couple_found_Snuggie'd_to_death 
wtf is that.
that is sick.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: Citizen13]
#11701889 - 12/22/09 07:33 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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citizen i know and it works great every time
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CapZilla said:
not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: noobieshroomie]
#11701907 - 12/22/09 07:35 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: RogerRabbit]
#11701913 - 12/22/09 07:35 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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Genocide666 said: OK I'm a newbie and I don't even have my first grow yet, the spores and in the mail on the way here. No I don't think I know it all and what I do know iv learned from youtube and here. To re-cap a bit you say incubators are not needed.. OK but from what Iv read temps should be in the high 80's to low 90's. I live in a worm area southern CA but even here is gets a bit chilly at night wont that slow growth?
Use the worms for fishing.
Normal room temperature is superior for colonizing mushroom substrates, NOT the 80s. You don't find experienced growers telling you to use 'incubators' if your house is comfortable for you in a t-shirt. Commercial mushroom farms colonize substrates at 69F tops.
Be very careful reading advice posted here, or written in books over five years ago. We've learned a LOT since then. RR
Yeah, theres no way I have the room to keep my jars, petri's, colonizing subs, etc., in the rooms that are heated to 22C/72F. Even when I did have a few jars out of incubation (before the incubator), colonization was much slower. In fact I need a bigger incubator.
The area I'm forced to keep my supplies including the incubator is currently sitting at 15C/59F.
I now keep my incubator set at 25C/77F. Things colonize timely and with no problems.
This is what I do. It works for me. I'm in no way saying it's for everyone.
Everyone do what works for you.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: noobieshroomie]
#11701920 - 12/22/09 07:37 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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The "on the go, new age mom of the new millenium" Soon every mother will be doing it.Like those leashes for your 3 year old kid.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: Citizen13]
#11701935 - 12/22/09 07:38 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: nexus1946]
#11701946 - 12/22/09 07:39 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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"Oh look at her - look how fucking cool she is cleaning."
I'm gonna trade it in the marketplace. I wonder what I can get for it.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: noobieshroomie]
#11701953 - 12/22/09 07:41 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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CapZilla said:
not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.
Citric said:
Your signature is wrong on colonization temps!
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: ambargh]
#11701957 - 12/22/09 07:41 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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ambargh said: "Oh look at her - look how fucking cool she is cleaning."
I'm gonna trade it in the marketplace. I wonder what I can get for it.
ill send you some prints for one. seriously. PM me.
i would never buy one but i need one to whip out during awkward photo moments.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: noobieshroomie]
#11701968 - 12/22/09 07:43 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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well this thread is still goin.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Citizen13]
#11701973 - 12/22/09 07:43 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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   great way to embarrass friends,family.neighbors
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CapZilla said:
not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: Citizen13]
#11701981 - 12/22/09 07:44 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: noobieshroomie]
#11701985 - 12/22/09 07:44 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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   great way to embarrass friends,family.neighbors
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plus i can cut a hole in it and have serious raunchy mormon sex in public.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Citizen13]
#11701987 - 12/22/09 07:45 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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this is true
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CapZilla said:
not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.
Citric said:
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Psuper]
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Psuper said: Lysol/oust and hygrometers are unnecessary.
Lysol and Oust are not unecessary. Unless RR is just making stuff up these days. Common incident where you should know before you just start typing stuff........................., RR says this,
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RogerRabbit said: Actually, Oust and lysol are two totally different things. Lysol is a surface disinfectant that only works on smooth surfaces. Rubbing alcohol is better imo, so I don't use lysol for anything. Oust is an air disinfectant. It has aerosol additives designed to keep the mist in suspension in the air for as long as possible to kill airborne bacteria and mold spores. Oust rocks. Lysol makes a similar product to oust and puts it in the same skinny cans like oust, but it doesn't stay in the air nearly as long. If I fog my grow room with oust, ten minutes later there is still a fog. Do the same thing with the lysol copycat, and two minutes later the fog is gone.
Oust can't be sprayed on surfaces. The mist shoots straight up, and if you roll the can over, it pukes out liquid. It's an air cleaning agent. Use alcohol on your tables and oust in the air. I spray the room the greenhouse is in, but not inside the greenhouse itself, except between crop cycles. RR
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: FlyingMonk]
#11702006 - 12/22/09 07:48 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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so lets keep it on topic:
snuggies: a waste of time/money?
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Citizen13]
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noobieshroomie said:
   great way to embarrass friends,family.neighbors
-noobie-
plus i can cut a hole in it and have serious raunchy mormon sex in public.
http://thesnuggiesutra.com/
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: noobieshroomie]
#11702013 - 12/22/09 07:49 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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noobieshroomie said: all resulted in a 
Because we didn't have pics of ambargh in a leopard snuggie in them.
Side note- there's no snuggies for cats. That tells you something about cats.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: Doc_T]
#11702020 - 12/22/09 07:50 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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Doc_T said:
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noobieshroomie said: all resulted in a 
Because we didn't have pics of ambargh in a leopard snuggie in them.
Side note- there's no snuggies for cats. That tells you something about cats.
that they are smart enough not to be tortured?
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: Doc_T]
#11702031 - 12/22/09 07:52 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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Doc_T said:
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noobieshroomie said: all resulted in a 
Side note- there's no snuggies for cats. That tells you something about cats.
says who?

-noobie-
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CapZilla said:
not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.
Citric said:
Your signature is wrong on colonization temps!
GOOD JUDGMENT COMES FROM EXPERIENCE
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ROOM TEMP 70-75 IS BEST FOR COLONIZATION
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: noobieshroomie]
#11702065 - 12/22/09 07:58 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: Citizen13]
#11702078 - 12/22/09 07:59 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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theres nothing a snuggie cant fuck up
-noobie-
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: noobieshroomie]
#11702090 - 12/22/09 08:00 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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noobieshroomie said: theres nothing a snuggie cant fuck up
-noobie-
i'm imploring my wife as soon as she gets home to knit a shroom snuggie.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: noobieshroomie]
#11702097 - 12/22/09 08:01 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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I tried to get my cat to drink some rum tonight. She didn't give in to my peer pressure. I, on the other hand, kinda tipsy. Also, I hit someone in the dick today with a snowball. He was peeing on my car.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: fungus_tao]
#11702108 - 12/22/09 08:03 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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fungus_tao said: I tried to get my cat to drink some rum tonight. She didn't give in to my peer pressure. I, on the other hand, kinda tipsy. Also, I hit someone in the dick today with a snowball. He was peeing on my car.
i peed on a snow pile at lowes today and some guy came out and screamed at me. apparently it was a stack of wheelbarrows that had yet to be uncovered after the recent storm.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: Citizen13]
#11702117 - 12/22/09 08:05 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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Citizen13 said:
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fungus_tao said: I tried to get my cat to drink some rum tonight. She didn't give in to my peer pressure. I, on the other hand, kinda tipsy. Also, I hit someone in the dick today with a snowball. He was peeing on my car.
i peed on a snow pile at lowes today and some guy came out and screamed at me. apparently it was a stack of wheelbarrows that had yet to be uncovered after the recent storm.
@both of these
sense were off topic here fungus thanks for that oyster its really aggresive
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CapZilla said:
not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.
Citric said:
Your signature is wrong on colonization temps!
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ROOM TEMP 70-75 IS BEST FOR COLONIZATION
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: Cloneufc]
#11702953 - 12/22/09 09:54 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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Cloneufc said:
Not only do they colonize just as fast as grains but they colonize pint jars just fine. This is straight manure no gypsum. I have yet to see cubie spores not germinate. They will even germinate in just distilled water. I speak from experience as I have done the PF tek off of manure more times than you have had birthdays. Your a noob spreading misinformation. Your not speaking from experience your just running your mouth. Your just a copycat repeating what others do. Become a real person and gain experience with what works. Next he'll be telling Neil Armstrong what the moon is like.
Dear Mr.Clone, I thank you for the hilarity and enjoyment your post brought me, please be expecting a snuggie for you and all 13 of your ferretts, complements of muah. I appologize if my post seemed to be an attack, it was simply critisism of exagerated statements regarding a sub-par tek. Get some autoclavable bags, verm, gypsum and coir.. then we'll talk.
First off.. Its impossible for a material as dense as manure to be colonized as quickly as birdseed or rye via injection of either MS or LC, simply for the fact that a much larger surface area will be initially exposed to the innoculant. No where in my post did I doubt the ability of cubensis spores to germinate on any material, much less manure.
I shouldn't even bother replying to that post but ya had to bring in the low blows lol. Its quite ironic that you stated "Your a noob spreading misinformation. Your not speaking from experience your just running your mouth" when I had been experimenting with the method you speak of over 2 years before you joined this forum (diff name back then). At the time several other members, including HippieChick and myself were experimenting with inocc jars of manure and the consensus was sub par results (This was before bags started catching on). Nowadays, using large substrate bags comprised mainly of H poo and injecting atleast 60 cc of LC is one of my favorite methods. I have made hundreds of these bags over the years and the fact remains, spores are infinitely less vigorous than LC when it comes to colonizing manure. Ask anyone experienced with substrate bag cultivation (Wronguy, Monstermitch, BlueHelix) and they will tell you the same.
However, I must congradulate you on persistency, sticking with your mediocre PF Poo tek for over 24 times (my age). If you decide to stick with it, atleast do yourself a favor and switch to LC. It colonizes manure based substrates exponentially quicker with a greater success rate. Or, in the words of MonsterMitch on the subject: " I don't think using a small MS syringe is a good idea. how hard is it to make one jar of liquid culture? it will be well worth your time to do so, you will spend less time overall with the project, and the results in the end will be superior.
trying to grow in substrate (manure based) bags with spores is possible, but I wouldn't even consider it personally."
So next time you decide to talk schmack, atleast check to see if the member in question actually knows what he's talking about.. otherwise keep up the good work repping the Saw fan stereotypes .
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: koopa_troopa]
#11703000 - 12/22/09 10:01 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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koopa_troopa said:
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Cloneufc said:
Not only do they colonize just as fast as grains but they colonize pint jars just fine. This is straight manure no gypsum. I have yet to see cubie spores not germinate. They will even germinate in just distilled water. I speak from experience as I have done the PF tek off of manure more times than you have had birthdays. Your a noob spreading misinformation. Your not speaking from experience your just running your mouth. Your just a copycat repeating what others do. Become a real person and gain experience with what works. Next he'll be telling Neil Armstrong what the moon is like.
Dear Mr.Clone, I thank you for the hilarity and enjoyment your post brought me. I appologize if my post seemed to be an attack, it was simply critisism of exagerated statements regarding a sub-par tek. Get some autoclavable bags, verm, gypsum and coir.. then we'll talk.
First off.. Its impossible for a material as dense as manure to be colonized as quickly as birdseed or rye via injection of either MS or LC, simply for the fact that a much larger surface area will be initially exposed to the innoculant. No where in my post did I doubt the ability of cubensis spores to germinate on any material, much less manure.
I shouldn't even bother replying to that post but ya had to bring in the low blows lol. Its quite ironic that you stated "Your a noob spreading misinformation. Your not speaking from experience your just running your mouth" when I had been experimenting with the method you speak of over 2 years before you joined this forum (diff name back then). At the time several other members, including HippieChick and myself were experimenting with inocc jars of manure and the consensus was sub par results (This was before bags started catching on). Nowadays, using large substrate bags comprised mainly of H poo and injecting atleast 60 cc of LC is one of my favorite methods. I have made hundreds of these bags over the years and the fact remains, spores are infinitely less vigorous than LC when it comes to colonizing manure. Ask anyone experienced with substrate bag cultivation (Wronguy, Monstermitch, BlueHelix) and they will tell you the same.
However, I must congradulate you on persistency, sticking with your mediocre PF Poo tek for over 24 times (my age). If you decide to stick with it, atleast do yourself a favor and switch to LC. It colonizes manure based substrates exponentially quicker with a greater success rate. Or, in the words of MonsterMitch on the subject: " I don't think using a small MS syringe is a good idea. how hard is it to make one jar of liquid culture? it will be well worth your time to do so, you will spend less time overall with the project, and the results in the end will be superior.
trying to grow in substrate (manure based) bags with spores is possible, but I wouldn't even consider it personally."
So next time you decide to talk schmack, atleast check to see if the member in question actually knows what he's talking about.. otherwise keep up the good work repping the Saw fan stereotypes .
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: Doc_T]
#11703288 - 12/22/09 10:52 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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Doc_T said:
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noobieshroomie said: all resulted in a 
Because we didn't have pics of ambargh in a leopard snuggie in them.
If we had pics of ambargh out of the snuggie, this thread would live in infamy.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: SporeTek]
#11703472 - 12/22/09 11:29 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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Well heres my 2 cents without reading pages and pages of testosterone.. Get ready!
Its seems 90% of the people trying to shit can the op were registered no more than a few months ago and have nothing to contribute other than RR quotes. How surprising! Im not arguing with the comments made by op, but I am arguing the stance that so many made against him WITHOUT ACTUAL EXPERIENCE.
I will say this. If you commercially produce edible mushrooms odds are RR has got some good advice for you. If you registered here no more than a year ago and want to grow a few fucking mushrooms in your closet odds are no matter how much you spend your flushes will fluctuate.
Somebody said something back sarcastically along the lines of "just leave some food out on your table...eventually something valuable will gow". Well you may have exaggerated a bit, but seriously its not that hard. If you have common sense and experience on your side, you will definitely grow much much more than some newb asshole with all the money in the world.
Edited by I_was_the_walrus (12/22/09 11:41 PM)
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
#11703536 - 12/22/09 11:47 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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And Im sorry to post on top of myself...but Im sure anybody would agree. Experience outweighs materials
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
#11703539 - 12/22/09 11:48 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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I_was_the_walrus said: Well heres my 2 cents without reading pages and pages of testosterone.. Get ready!
Its seems 90% of the people trying to shit can the op were registered no more than a few months ago and have nothing to contribute other than RR quotes. How surprising! Im not arguing with the comments made by op, but I am arguing the stance that so many made against him WITHOUT ACTUAL EXPERIENCE.
I will say this. If you commercially produce edible mushrooms odds are RR has got some good advice for you. If you registered here no more than a year ago and want to grow a few fucking mushrooms in your closet odds are no matter how much you spend your flushes will fluctuate.
Somebody said something back sarcastically along the lines of "just leave some food out on your table...eventually something valuable will gow". Well you may have exaggerated a bit, but seriously its not that hard. If you have common sense and experience on your side, you will definitely grow much much more than some newb asshole with all the money in the world.
what does any of this have to do with snuggies?
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: Citizen13]
#11703564 - 12/22/09 11:54 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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Snuggies are comfy. The internet is serious business. The two dont mix
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
#11703684 - 12/23/09 12:31 AM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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koopa_troopa said:
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Cloneufc said:
Not only do they colonize just as fast as grains but they colonize pint jars just fine. This is straight manure no gypsum. I have yet to see cubie spores not germinate. They will even germinate in just distilled water. I speak from experience as I have done the PF tek off of manure more times than you have had birthdays. Your a noob spreading misinformation. Your not speaking from experience your just running your mouth. Your just a copycat repeating what others do. Become a real person and gain experience with what works. Next he'll be telling Neil Armstrong what the moon is like.
Dear Mr.Clone, I thank you for the hilarity and enjoyment your post brought me, please be expecting a snuggie for you and all 13 of your ferretts, complements of muah. I appologize if my post seemed to be an attack, it was simply critisism of exagerated statements regarding a sub-par tek. Get some autoclavable bags, verm, gypsum and coir.. then we'll talk.
First off.. Its impossible for a material as dense as manure to be colonized as quickly as birdseed or rye via injection of either MS or LC, simply for the fact that a much larger surface area will be initially exposed to the innoculant. No where in my post did I doubt the ability of cubensis spores to germinate on any material, much less manure.
I shouldn't even bother replying to that post but ya had to bring in the low blows lol. Its quite ironic that you stated "Your a noob spreading misinformation. Your not speaking from experience your just running your mouth" when I had been experimenting with the method you speak of over 2 years before you joined this forum (diff name back then). At the time several other members, including HippieChick and myself were experimenting with inocc jars of manure and the consensus was sub par results (This was before bags started catching on). Nowadays, using large substrate bags comprised mainly of H poo and injecting atleast 60 cc of LC is one of my favorite methods. I have made hundreds of these bags over the years and the fact remains, spores are infinitely less vigorous than LC when it comes to colonizing manure. Ask anyone experienced with substrate bag cultivation (Wronguy, Monstermitch, BlueHelix) and they will tell you the same.
However, I must congradulate you on persistency, sticking with your mediocre PF Poo tek for over 24 times (my age). If you decide to stick with it, atleast do yourself a favor and switch to LC. It colonizes manure based substrates exponentially quicker with a greater success rate. Or, in the words of MonsterMitch on the subject: " I don't think using a small MS syringe is a good idea. how hard is it to make one jar of liquid culture? it will be well worth your time to do so, you will spend less time overall with the project, and the results in the end will be superior.
trying to grow in substrate (manure based) bags with spores is possible, but I wouldn't even consider it personally."
So next time you decide to talk schmack, atleast check to see if the member in question actually knows what he's talking about.. otherwise keep up the good work repping the Saw fan stereotypes .
"Good luck getting spores to colonize even a portion of a half pint of manure/gypsum" "No where in my post did I doubt the ability of cubensis spores to germinate on any material, much less manure."
You just contradicted yourself right there. Your off your rocker dude. I didnt fucking mention spawnbags, we are talking about PF tek vs PF tek manure. My post had nothing to do with spawn bags. You know BRF and verm vs manure. What planet are you on? I also stated a fact that multispore can be used on manure. I never said I didnt use LC's. I do grain to grain transfers, agar to grain,agar to agar ect ect. I have gallons of LC's. Anyone can say they were are member two years before I joined. If you were a member then, you would be using that name so stop lying. Reading old archives and jerking off to hippiechick is not a replacement for experience.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: Cloneufc]
#11703860 - 12/23/09 01:27 AM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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Now's when I wish I had a snuggie
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: Citizen13]
#11704324 - 12/23/09 04:12 AM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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Citizen13 said:
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fungus_tao said: I tried to get my cat to drink some rum tonight. She didn't give in to my peer pressure. I, on the other hand, kinda tipsy. Also, I hit someone in the dick today with a snowball. He was peeing on my car.
i peed on a snow pile at lowes today and some guy came out and screamed at me. apparently it was a stack of wheelbarrows that had yet to be uncovered after the recent storm.
You think that's bad. I was peeing on a car today, for the lulz, and some asshole whipped a snowball at my dick.
If anything good comes out of this thread it's that, ambargh will have seen the snuggie sutra and will now have a practical use for his leopard print snuggie.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: ScavengerType]
#11704549 - 12/23/09 06:21 AM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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I wrote the book for that website.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: noobieshroomie]
#11705318 - 12/23/09 10:39 AM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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 or at least send the pic to me
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: VictoriaPandora]
#11709676 - 12/24/09 12:10 AM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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This thread is out of control.
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: madi]
#11709698 - 12/24/09 12:16 AM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: noobieshroomie]
#11710401 - 12/24/09 05:23 AM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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noobieshroomie said: also the wood chips, try growing on cedar and pine mixed ant tell me those results as well
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if they wanted to grow Amanita muscaria that might work lol
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Re: PF TEK solely comprising of manure and gypsum [Re: madi]
#11710418 - 12/24/09 05:35 AM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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YA lolol
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: VespertineDweller]
#11726056 - 12/27/09 12:40 PM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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Oh man someone lock it! I can't stop reading and it's pissing me off. Jazus.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: VictoriaPandora]
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VictoriaPandora said: Oh man someone lock it! I can't stop reading and it's pissing me off. Jazus.
well bumping the thread sure won't make it go away faster.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Citizen13]
#11726652 - 12/27/09 02:32 PM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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VictoriaPandora said: Oh man someone lock it! I can't stop reading and it's pissing me off. Jazus.
well bumping the thread sure won't make it go away faster.
Yeah, I don't get that. It happens all the time too.
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: dancefloordale]
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RogerRabbit
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: tugwax]
#11726856 - 12/27/09 03:11 PM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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This thread sucks.
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