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dxharms
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dxharms said: i sprayed the walls of my closet with a bleach water solution before i started nocin jars and stuff. but i wouldnt want to swab needles or jar lids with bleach. just doesnt seem like a goood idea. both are cheap as shit. go to walgreens
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dxharms said: i sprayed the walls of my closet with a bleach water solution before i started nocin jars and stuff. but i wouldnt want to swab needles or jar lids with bleach. just doesnt seem like a goood idea. both are cheap as shit. go to walgreens
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dancefloordale
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Re: Alcohol vs Bleach for sterilization [Re: dxharms]
#11672160 - 12/17/09 10:25 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's not just about what you use, but how you use it. I wasn't even disagreeing with you. Bleach is one of the better choices, but it is not going to properly clean your closet walls.
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Bleach water solution really seems to clean my walls and area quite well. I have had 1% contams in my grows for over a year.If its good enough to clean up after raw chick im sure it will handle a closet wall quite fine
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Re: Alcohol vs Bleach for sterilization [Re: Shea25]
#11672194 - 12/17/09 10:31 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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By properly clean, I mean killing mold spores, which is really the only viable threat one has to deal with. Your walls are so porous that there is now way you can eliminate all the microbes present.
What do ya'll do that requires scrubbing your walls anyway?
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Shea25
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Still air is whats most important any ways. Use a glove box or flow hood . A closest does not need 100% sterile walls just relativity still air and fairly clean, hell even my Glove box walls are not 100% sterile but works every time. So really bleach water solution is more then enough for a clean work area coupled with still air
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Re: Alcohol vs Bleach for sterilization [Re: Shea25]
#11672275 - 12/17/09 10:47 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I guess what I was trying to say without doing so blatantly is that bleaching walls is a waste of time. Don't waste your bleach or time performing petty tasks.
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Shea25
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Yea its really unneeded. I do every few months totally clean my whole room thats when I use bleach. I find it is important to keep up with the cleanliness of a grow room every now and then other then that its come down to still air and fast work
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dancefloordale said: Oust/Lysol/alcohol won't kill mold spores, the first 2 being expensive, another reason they have no use in mycology. What got everyone started using these things? Alcohol will kill any bacteria you run into.
Oust is used to kill bacteria that is in suspension in the air. Alcohol will kill bacteria on surfaces. I work in front of a flowhood, so before I start it up, I fog the air with oust, let the fog work for ten minutes, Lysol the face of the flowhood filter, and then start the flowhood up to run for an hour or two in a closed room before working. At $4 per can, Oust is cheap insurance against bacterial contamination. One bad grain master can cost me fifty times that much if the bacteria doesn't multiply enough to be noticed until after a grain to grain transfer or two.
For gloveboxes, use soap and water. They need not be sterile. RR
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Re: Alcohol vs Bleach for sterilization [Re: RogerRabbit]
#11672580 - 12/17/09 11:45 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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dancefloordale said: Oust/Lysol/alcohol won't kill mold spores, the first 2 being expensive, another reason they have no use in mycology. What got everyone started using these things? Alcohol will kill any bacteria you run into.
Oust is used to kill bacteria that is in suspension in the air. Alcohol will kill bacteria on surfaces. I work in front of a flowhood, so before I start it up, I fog the air with oust, let the fog work for ten minutes, Lysol the face of the flowhood filter, and then start the flowhood up to run for an hour or two in a closed room before working. At $4 per can, Oust is cheap insurance against bacterial contamination. One bad grain master can cost me fifty times that much if the bacteria doesn't multiply enough to be noticed until after a grain to grain transfer or two.
For gloveboxes, use soap and water. They need not be sterile. RR
I was assuming everyone uses a GB. The only thing I do outside the GB is inoculate jars, where I wipe the injection port with alcohol, and flame sterilize the needle. I can understand cleaning the surface of the flowhood filter initially, as contaminants may have landed there between uses, but I'd say your flowhood does much more for preventing bacterial contamination that spraying oust.
It just shames me to see so many using cleaners ineffectively and unnecessarily.
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Re: Alcohol vs Bleach for sterilization [Re: Mikeallojee]
#11672642 - 12/17/09 11:56 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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bleach for killing the mold alcohol for killing its spores
 optimal cleaning would involve both
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Re: Alcohol vs Bleach for sterilization [Re: SillyBilly]
#11672676 - 12/18/09 12:04 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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SillyBilly said: bleach for killing the mold alcohol for killing its spores
 optimal cleaning would involve both
Alcohol does not kill spores, it will, like many other cleaners kill the live thing though.
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Re: Alcohol vs Bleach for sterilization [Re: RogerRabbit]
#11672763 - 12/18/09 12:24 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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dancefloordale said: Oust/Lysol/alcohol won't kill mold spores, the first 2 being expensive, another reason they have no use in mycology. What got everyone started using these things? Alcohol will kill any bacteria you run into.
Oust is used to kill bacteria that is in suspension in the air. Alcohol will kill bacteria on surfaces. I work in front of a flowhood, so before I start it up, I fog the air with oust, let the fog work for ten minutes, Lysol the face of the flowhood filter, and then start the flowhood up to run for an hour or two in a closed room before working. At $4 per can, Oust is cheap insurance against bacterial contamination. One bad grain master can cost me fifty times that much if the bacteria doesn't multiply enough to be noticed until after a grain to grain transfer or two.
For gloveboxes, use soap and water. They need not be sterile. RR
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SillyBilly said: bleach for killing the mold alcohol for killing its spores
 optimal cleaning would involve both
Alcohol does not kill spores, it will, like many other cleaners kill the live thing though.
70% isopropyl is able to kill spores because it gets inside them via osmosis which bleach and 99% iso fail to do
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Re: Alcohol vs Bleach for sterilization [Re: SillyBilly]
#11673318 - 12/18/09 04:44 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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OMG, false info in the early morning!
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Re: Alcohol vs Bleach for sterilization [Re: Doc_T]
#11673782 - 12/18/09 08:35 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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so rr says that he ousts before he turns on the flow hood. there must be no harm in going over board then. i bleached my walls because my closet just had shit thrown in it for 3 years. i dont bleach it regularly or anything. im sure it was better than nothing
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Re: Alcohol vs Bleach for sterilization [Re: SillyBilly]
#11681597 - 12/19/09 03:42 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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SillyBilly said: bleach for killing the mold alcohol for killing its spores
 optimal cleaning would involve both
Alcohol does not kill spores, it will, like many other cleaners kill the live thing though.
70% isopropyl is able to kill spores because it gets inside them via osmosis which bleach and 99% iso fail to do
If you looked at the chart I included as a download upthread, you would see it states none of the active ingredients included are considered sporicidal.
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sporicidal? Is there an organic, non toxic to people or pets and is convenient to get?
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