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Re: The Description of Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata

[Re: shroomydan]
#6814361 - 04/20/07 10:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Paul Stamets should consider putting those pics in the new book.

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mjshroomer
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Re: The Description of Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata

[Re: falcon]
#6816247 - 04/21/07 03:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Falcon, perhaps there is something there that I forgot to mention to you.

I am the one who told Mr. Mushrooms that the mushrooms were P. caerulipes several years ago which is why some here believe them to be P. caerulipes.

I suppose that is your source for the identification. I think I may have mentioned that also to Shroomy Dan in a PM or email.

mj

Now I will post Singer and Smith's Monograph pages of their studies of P. caerulipes and the chemical analysis of same by Leung and Paul in 1969 or so.

I Spent a few hours a the University today and had a hard time finding several papers. Had to go to several libraries, situated across campus from each other.

The volume 50 of Mycologia which has the Singer and Smith monograph as well as their covering of the Historical Spanish Shroom era, I found that over 80 pages had been excised from the journal of two articles on shrooms by Rolf Singer and Alexander H. Smith and they had replaced with poor quality xerox copies of single pages meaning it cost me double for 80 pages to copy.

The volume 50 issue of Mycologia, which has the Mexican Species and history by Singer and Smith and then their monograph of the known psychoactive Psilocybes in 1958, had been excised.

I am now posting that articles pages on P. caerulipes, emended here from the Saccardo's revision of Peck's identification of Agaricus caerulipes in 1889 for you and others to read.

Also you can see the word stirps, which Dr. Guzmán refers to now as sections. WHile Singer placed the P. caerulipes in the stirps, Caerulipes, he felt it could be placed into stirps cyanescens. Something Guzman did 20-years after when Guzmán wrote his monograph.

I also have the Panaeolus monograph in German to post a pictorial of the sketches of some of the known species. I will do that later.

mjshroomer

mjshroomer

Edited by mjshroomer (04/21/07 06:13 PM)

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shroomydan
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Re: The Description of Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata

[Re: mjshroomer]
#6816859 - 04/21/07 07:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you for all the research John. :smile:

:smile:

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falcon

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Re: The Description of Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata

[Re: mjshroomer]
#6817327 - 04/21/07 11:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:cool:

Thanks Mjshroomer.

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GGreatOne234
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Re: The Description of Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata

[Re: mjshroomer]
#6817511 - 04/22/07 12:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata is tricky to pronounce at first.. but after a couple dozen tries i can say it ok now. :tongue2:

:tongue2:

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psiclops
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Re: The Description of Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata

[Re: GGreatOne234]
#6817654 - 04/22/07 12:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

oh-voh-idio-sis-tiddy-ah-tah?

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mjshroomer
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Re: The Description of Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata

[Re: psiclops]
#6818146 - 04/22/07 06:02 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well said psiclops

mj

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shroomydan
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Re: The Description of Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata

[Re: mjshroomer]
#6818330 - 04/22/07 07:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The name refers to the ovoid shaped cystidia, so I have been saying.

oh-void-ee-oh-sis-tid-ee-ah-ta

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Re: The Description of Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata

[Re: shroomydan]
#6818515 - 04/22/07 09:14 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

shroomy dan: Are you sure that all these midwest woodlovers you have been finding are the same species? Like maybe some are P. caerulipes and others are Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata? I have noticed in your pictures that some of the mushrooms caps are brown sorta caramel like p cyanences, while others have pale almost white cap as if another species. Does this vary from time of the year or is this just random?

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shroomydan
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Re: The Description of Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata

[Re: 2859558484]
#6818920 - 04/22/07 11:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I am 99.99% sure they are all the same species.

Look at these:

The change in color from brown to whitish tan in the first photo is due to drying of the caps. When a mushroom cap changes to a lighter color as it dries, the mushroom is said to be hygrophanous. In the first photo the brown whet caps are newer than the straw colored dry caps.

In the second photo you can see that one cap is starting to turn blue. The blue is the result of psilocin oxidation. As falcon mentioned somewhere, cold dry air causes the caps to turn blue.

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Ice House Shaman
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Re: The Description of Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata

[Re: mjshroomer]
#6818971 - 04/22/07 12:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

MJ,

U Rule! :headbanger:

:headbanger:

Your a plethora of information. Very nice indeed.

Respect,

IHS

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Ice House Shaman
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Re: The Description of Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata

[Re: mjshroomer]
#6818990 - 04/22/07 12:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

MJ,

U Rule! :headbanger:

:headbanger:

Your a plethora of information. Very nice indeed.

Respect,

IHS

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psiclops
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Re: The Description of Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata

[Re: Ice House Shaman]
#6819402 - 04/22/07 02:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah he has alot of info. I agree. He's the man.

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mjshroomer
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Re: The Description of Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata

[Re: mjshroomer]
#6849617 - 04/29/07 02:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Regarding the paper on the taxonomy and locations of P. ovoideocystidiata, I was asked to remove the m locations of species noted in that paper by one of the authors.
\See below my comments about this,

I would like to inform everyone reading this text that one of the authors wrote to me and asked me to remove the locations provided in the article on page one of this thread as to where he found his collections. While I normally do not do this, I can only say if you want to know where those collections came from then you would have to purchase a reprint of the article from Begell House, publishers for the International Journal of Medicinal Mushrooms. I will also say that I do not believe that hundreds of people would flock to his listed locations because they are in areas which spread for miles and miles.

mj

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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: The Description of Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata

[Re: mjshroomer]
#6865208 - 05/02/07 10:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I made this Psilocybe ovoideocystiada range map today.

Is it accurate?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Psilocybe_ovoideocystidiata_range_map.png

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mjshroomer
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Re: The Description of Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata

[Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#6867079 - 05/03/07 11:09 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

SO far today only Ohio, Pennsylvania and West Virgina have collections of P. ovoidiocystidiata.

Collections are now deposited in NY, XAL, Mich.Chula, Leipzig, and Nestles.

mj

Not sure about the Michigan collections of the P. ovoideocystidiata.

I will check on those in a while, maybe tomorow.

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eutebius

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Re: The Description of Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata

[Re: shroomydan]
#8162733 - 03/18/08 03:39 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Beautiful photos.
Do you have an accompanying list of species to go along?

Many thanks,

E

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sansa

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Re: The Description of Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata

[Re: mjshroomer]
#11656019 - 12/15/09 02:41 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

I should i like to inform everyone reading this text that one of the authors wrote to me t and asked me to remove the locations provided in the article as to where he found his collections. While I normally do not do this, I can only say if you want to know where those collections came form then you would have to purchase a reprint of the article from Begell house Publishers for the International Journal of Medicinal Mushrooms. I will also say that I do not believe that hundreds of people would flock to his listed locations because they are in areas which spread for miles and miles.

Here's a link to the article if anyone wants to purchase it and see what the locations are:

http://www.begellhouse.com/journals/708ae68d64b17c52,0d49dda96a2a7147,3eb72a2f170d20a5.html

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