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InvisibleLakefingers

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Slavoj Žižek on what exists, what emerges and love
    #11653369 - 12/15/09 03:49 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Žižek explains his view of the universe and its relation to love. Everything is fragmented, a cosmic mess, taking it to its full length we arrive at love... (length: 2 minutes and 3 seconds)



What's your view?

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Re: Slavoj Žižek on what exists, what emerges and love [Re: Lakefingers]
    #11653464 - 12/15/09 04:47 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Haha, cool video, so true, love is evil, but hate is evil too.. what should we do? Which one to pick?

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Re: Slavoj Žižek on what exists, what emerges and love [Re: Lakefingers]
    #11653609 - 12/15/09 05:49 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

:whacker:

:lol:

Talk about neurotic, all this talk about "love". What he is describing as love is neurotic attachment. But I do agree that creation is nothing to get excited about. Had not evolution installed the survival instinct I think many would take a good look around and then blink out.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Edited by Icelander (12/15/09 06:18 AM)

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Re: Slavoj Žižek on what exists, what emerges and love [Re: Icelander]
    #11653768 - 12/15/09 07:15 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, he is a neurotic, I'm sure a clinical classification would be no problem to ascertain.

But why are you so certain that the love he is speaking about is neurotic attachment? Why do you jump to this conclusion? Other than that everything is either death anxiety or neurotic attachment for you. From reading his other texts and more importantly, from what you can gather from this video, he seems to be saying love is will and attaining desire.

Edited by Lakefingers (12/15/09 07:15 AM)

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Re: Slavoj Žižek on what exists, what emerges and love [Re: Diaboleros]
    #11653773 - 12/15/09 07:16 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

What do you mean what should we do? Which should we pick?

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Re: Slavoj Žižek on what exists, what emerges and love [Re: Lakefingers]
    #11653791 - 12/15/09 07:27 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Lakefingers said:
Yes, he is a neurotic, I'm sure a clinical classification would be no problem to ascertain.

But why are you so certain that the love he is speaking about is neurotic attachment? Why do you jump to this conclusion? Other than that everything is either death anxiety or neurotic attachment for you. From reading his other texts and more importantly, from what you can gather from this video, he seems to be saying love is will and attaining desire.



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Lakefingers said:
Yes, he is a neurotic, I'm sure a clinical classification would be no problem to ascertain.

But why are you so certain that the love he is speaking about is neurotic attachment? Why do you jump to this conclusion? Other than that everything is either death anxiety or neurotic attachment for you. From reading his other texts and more importantly, from what you can gather from this video, he seems to be saying love is will and attaining desire.





No I'm not talking about him. I'm talking about the people he describes as "loving the earth" and such. That's not love imo.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Slavoj Žižek on what exists, what emerges and love [Re: Icelander]
    #11653802 - 12/15/09 07:31 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I misread then.

I agree, "loving the earth" is a moral guideline you can believe in to feel warm and cozy, to hope for a better world, or to feel like things are controllable and the universe cares about you.

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Re: Slavoj Žižek on what exists, what emerges and love [Re: Lakefingers]
    #11653810 - 12/15/09 07:36 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

This them is ever recurring. He hates the word because it will not conform to his emotional needs and in another way the true believer feels that life is really not as it appears. Same motivator imo. Fear of mortality.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Slavoj Žižek on what exists, what emerges and love [Re: Icelander]
    #11654397 - 12/15/09 10:33 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Them?

Quote:

He hates the word because it will not conform to his emotional needs and in another way the true believer feels that life is really not as it appears. Same motivator imo. Fear of mortality.




There is at least one difference. He knows what motivates him and true believers rarely do. He chooses to do something about it, not what you would do, say, attempt to eradicate neurosis, which is essentially very Buddhist: to want not the want.

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Re: Slavoj Žižek on what exists, what emerges and love [Re: Lakefingers]
    #11654405 - 12/15/09 10:35 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

He knows what motivates him and true believers rarely do.

I just got off the line with a friend and were were having this very conversation. Most people don't know what motivates them and so are effected to a greater degree by those motivations.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Slavoj Žižek on what exists, what emerges and love [Re: Diaboleros]
    #11654454 - 12/15/09 10:47 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Diaboleros said:
Haha, cool video, so true, love is evil, but hate is evil too.. what should we do? Which one to pick?




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Re: Slavoj Žižek on what exists, what emerges and love [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
    #11654466 - 12/15/09 10:50 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know what motivates me, although I construct many stories about it, but I presume both of those things're what's kept me and humanity around.

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