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brucie
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#11631541 - 12/11/09 05:07 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Edited by brucie (03/17/10 04:51 PM)
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psychedelicSLUG
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Re: id central florida [Re: brucie]
#11631566 - 12/11/09 05:12 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I want to say Agaricus sp. for the first one. As for the third one im almost positive its a Mycena.
Don't "QUOTE" me on that though.
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: id central florida [Re: brucie]
#11631580 - 12/11/09 05:16 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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1 - 2) Panaeolus antillarum (edible) 3) Panaeolus cinctulus (active) 4) Parasola auricoma
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brucie
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that was quick. thanks. i was preparing for inactive on all and ready to just focus on cubes. on the Panaeolus cinctulus, are there look alikes that would be growing on cow dung and if so what should i look for to distinguish these?
i marked the spot in the field so hopefully i will get more of these and cubes in the a.m.
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: id central florida [Re: brucie]
#11631828 - 12/11/09 06:08 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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on the Panaeolus cinctulus, are there look alikes that would be growing on cow dung and if so what should i look for to distinguish these?
That depends on what you consider to be a lookalike.
To distinguish between toxic lookalikes, spore print all the mushrooms. There are no mushrooms with a jet black spore print that are toxic. All members of Panaeolus have a jet black print - some are edible and others are active.
One clue that its Panaeolus cinctulus is the heart shaped cap - They often, but not always have a dimple in them that keeps the cap from being completely round.
The color is another indicator - Panaeolus antillarum is much more white.
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Alan Rockefeller said: 4) Parasola auricoma
Genus is correct, but the species is likely P. leiocephala, based on the remote, collar-like attachment of the gills. In contrast, P. auricoma has free, but not distantly attached gills.
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Re: id central florida [Re: CureCat]
#11636542 - 12/12/09 01:14 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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ok more questions on ones i found that look like the ones alan identified yesterday as Panaeolus cinctulus but i have 2 sets and i dont know if they are the same mushroom. i have a hard time telling if the bigger ones are the same as the small. they were found in different locations of 2 fields beside each other.
1st (2nd day) these have a uhm molted (not sure if thats a good word to explain) skin on top. the top is a little golden w/ cracks that show whiter below.



2nd set, 2nd day. these are the some of the bigger ones i think are the same as the above?? i tried to keep them separate but some of these (1st and 2nd set) were found on both horse and cow dung. previous days i picked the ones id as Panaeolus cinctulus on cow dung and the ones id as Panaeolus antillarum on horse dung (different fields) so that is what might be throwing me off.... i assume they could both grow on either but i thought some of these might be P. a. b/c they were in same area i picked the others before.

 the couple small ones in the above pic are here below close up. they look more like the ones that were id as Panaeolus antillarum yesterday but they were growing near these big ones..not on the same dung but close. ??


then there was this one.. it was in same area but alone on one pile of dung. is it the same as above just a little funky shaped?

 last... i think these are Copelandia Cyanescens? they are bruised blue on the edges and cap.

thanks for the help.
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brucie
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Re: id central florida [Re: brucie]
#11643077 - 12/13/09 02:15 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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bump for id. please
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Re: id central florida [Re: brucie]
#11643535 - 12/13/09 03:34 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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they are antilarium, unless they bruised blue, then they are cyanescens.
wait for the pro's to confirm.
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Re: id central florida [Re: brucie]
#11643632 - 12/13/09 03:50 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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The white ones at the top that are not bruising blue are indeed Panaeolus antillerum
There is a pic of a different species in the middle with the cap being more companulate in shape and it may be in the Coprinopsis or Coprinus genus.
The final pic that shows blue-bruising reveals Panaeolus cyanescens (active & potent)
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brucie
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thanks. i guess the Panaeolus cinctulus from the first day threw me off. i really thought some of the ones in the 1st pic (2nd day) looked like P. cinctulus.
i can id the Pan cyan and the cubes in the field but when it comes to all the other white ones growing directly on dung, i get confused. The white ones from the first day looked like they had thicker stems and caps than what i found the 2nd day.
so now im ready to skip all the white mushrooms in the field. (p.antillarum didnt make very good stir fry.)
are there any white mushrooms that grow directly on dung that would be active besides the p.cyns?
I really am interested in any clues that would help me in learning the way to tell the difference.
thanks for the help everyone
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Re: id central florida [Re: brucie]
#11643957 - 12/13/09 04:53 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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oh one other question.... are there species that grow more on horse dung than cow? does cubes grow in the wild on horse dung?
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Re: id central florida [Re: brucie]
#11643978 - 12/13/09 04:56 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm guessing so. I don't live in an area where they grow, but those two animals have similar diets.
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Re: id central florida [Re: elprawn]
#11644054 - 12/13/09 05:07 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes, cubes can grow on horse dung. Just not nearly as prevalent as in cow dung
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Are there any white mushrooms that grow directly on dung that would be active besides the p.cyns?
In Florida I believe you're only going to find three actives on dung: Panaeolus cyanescens ("blue meanies"), Panaeolus cinctulus and Psilocybe cubensis ("cubes").
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does cubes grow in the wild on horse dung?
Cubes can occasionally (rarely) be found growing from horse dung.
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