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Double Dipping Rx
    #11625363 - 12/10/09 06:26 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

So my sister is double dipping prescriptions. One doctor gives her vicoden and another gives her percs both for arthritis she really doesnt have. She is one of those people that are out of work more than in work due to false ailments .

any way I know that its probably serious business not telling each of the doctors that the other is giving her a script for the same thing. I cant find what kind of penalty this is and she seems to think that its no big deal

so my question is, is this a really bad offense and whats the likely hood she will get caught?

I dont want to see her get caught but it might be good for and she might clean up her act who knows

any way thanks for the help

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Re: Double Dipping Rx [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #11625381 - 12/10/09 06:31 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

They call it "doctor shopping" and its a low level felony.

I am not sure how they catch people doing this.  They probably search pharmacy records.  If she wanted to do it legally she would have to tell the doctors what the others are prescribing.

Two doctors doesn't sound like a lot, I would be more worried about getting caught if she did the same at 6 doctors like Rush Limbaugh.

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Re: Double Dipping Rx [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #11626343 - 12/10/09 08:56 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

just make shure that she goes to 2 diferent drugstores(and not 2 different walgreens either the cant be affiliated with one another) and doesn't use her insurance and she should be fine.


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Re: Double Dipping Rx [Re: deladude]
    #11627621 - 12/11/09 01:19 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

unfortunately there scripts are on every pharmacies system because its a universal system but she should be good cause she could just say i really didn't knowyou couldn't take both plead ignorence . and as far as insurance to no insurance it doesn't matter both are on the the system unless she uses diffrent names. the real worst that could happen is the pharmacist calling the doctor and then once again plead ignorence and you don't get your script. I worked at serveral diffrent pharmacy's big ones like cvs, walgreens and mom and pop places unfortunately they are all all linked unfortanetly were in the age of technology . there isn't to big of a risk when they deny her for the pills at the pharmacist just have her  ask why and be polite and be like oh i can't take them together? I had no idea thank you and sorry for taking up your time .The big risk is if you get caught selling them but if she's a drugstore cowgirl without the stealing lol she'll be good

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Re: Double Dipping Rx [Re: ripdbagdarr]
    #11629197 - 12/11/09 10:35 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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unfortunately there scripts are on every pharmacies system because its a universal system but she should be good cause she could just say i really didn't knowyou couldn't take both plead ignorence . and as far as insurance to no insurance it doesn't matter both are on the the system unless she uses diffrent names. the real worst that could happen is the pharmacist calling the doctor and then once again plead ignorence and you don't get your script. I worked at serveral diffrent pharmacy's big ones like cvs, walgreens and mom and pop places unfortunately they are all all linked unfortanetly were in the age of technology . there isn't to big of a risk when they deny her for the pills at the pharmacist just have her  ask why and be polite and be like oh i can't take them together? I had no idea thank you and sorry for taking up your time .The big risk is if you get caught selling them but if she's a drugstore cowgirl without the stealing lol she'll be good




haha, this is some bad info, i have worked at walgreens and cvs both and my wife currently works there still, the pharmacy systems are not linked, at all.  I can pay cash for the same script from diff docs at one hten the other, same day, and neither would be the wiser.

Now your insurance does know if you got two different places, and try to get the same script, however, this is mostly an automated system.  Which means, if you are getting two different scripts, say Hydro 7.5 and some percocet 5s, then your insurance will normally cover both automatically, unless someone looks into it, at which time they may contact your doc, but many people are on multiple pain killers at the same time, one for maintenance, one for breakthrough, and the insurance pays for both no probs...

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Re: Double Dipping Rx [Re: supra]
    #11630029 - 12/11/09 01:11 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I wouldn't worry about it.  Unless she's somehow comitting fraud in the process of getting them (maybe she does have some pain, how do you know?) then it should be no problem.

They'd have a hard time getting a conviction for simply forgetting to write down a medication she was on.


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Re: Double Dipping Rx [Re: fastfred]
    #11631864 - 12/11/09 06:16 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Seeing two doctors for the same condition is doctor shopping and is illegal. 

Seeing two doctors for two different painful conditions should be ok though.

I could be wrong - I have not read the law.

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Re: Double Dipping Rx [Re: supra]
    #11632341 - 12/11/09 07:34 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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unfortunately there scripts are on every pharmacies system because its a universal system but she should be good cause she could just say i really didn't knowyou couldn't take both plead ignorence . and as far as insurance to no insurance it doesn't matter both are on the the system unless she uses diffrent names. the real worst that could happen is the pharmacist calling the doctor and then once again plead ignorence and you don't get your script. I worked at serveral diffrent pharmacy's big ones like cvs, walgreens and mom and pop places unfortunately they are all all linked unfortanetly were in the age of technology . there isn't to big of a risk when they deny her for the pills at the pharmacist just have her  ask why and be polite and be like oh i can't take them together? I had no idea thank you and sorry for taking up your time .The big risk is if you get caught selling them but if she's a drugstore cowgirl without the stealing lol she'll be good




haha, this is some bad info, i have worked at walgreens and cvs both and my wife currently works there still, the pharmacy systems are not linked, at all.  I can pay cash for the same script from diff docs at one hten the other, same day, and neither would be the wiser.

Now your insurance does know if you got two different places, and try to get the same script, however, this is mostly an automated system.  Which means, if you are getting two different scripts, say Hydro 7.5 and some percocet 5s, then your insurance will normally cover both automatically, unless someone looks into it, at which time they may contact your doc, but many people are on multiple pain killers at the same time, one for maintenance, one for breakthrough, and the insurance pays for both no probs...

peace




Well supra i only know for the state i reside in. Maybe just cause the state that i live/work in but i sure wish i lived in whatever state you do supra . all I know is that over here it is definetly linked especially for controlled substances . And how is my whole post bs? if he does get caught selling you don't think that they wouldn't pull up his or hers personal info on the rx systems regardless of insured or uninsured unless under a diffrent name and toss on some extra charges ? And you really think my whole post was bunk? Come on...

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Re: Double Dipping Rx [Re: ripdbagdarr]
    #11632685 - 12/11/09 08:18 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

and btw she doesnt sell them at all she takes them all

I was just at my friends house talking about this and they said they would cut her off completely and put it on her record so no doctor for the rest of her life will willingly prescribe her any good pain killers

so if she does get caught its not all that bad but this is coming from a few pill addicted friends so who knows

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Re: Double Dipping Rx [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #11632764 - 12/11/09 08:33 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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and put it on her record




I wonder where those records are kept.

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Re: Double Dipping Rx [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #11632814 - 12/11/09 08:44 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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and put it on her record




I wonder where those records are kept.





how does the whole medical record thing work?
I know people that are "red flagged" so they cant get certain drugs.
how does that work?

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Re: Double Dipping Rx [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #11634530 - 12/12/09 04:04 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Seeing two doctors for the same condition is doctor shopping and is illegal.

Seeing two doctors for two different painful conditions should be ok though.

I could be wrong - I have not read the law.




I think you better check the law on that one.  I know damn well I can see my general practitioner, get a second opinion, see a specialist, and/or switch doctors any time I want legally.

If they don't check the paperwork it's their ass on the line, not mine.

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how does the whole medical record thing work?
I know people that are "red flagged" so they cant get certain drugs.
how does that work?




Well, when you see a doctor they will ask who your previous doctor or clinic was.  You can't exactly go in and just say you've never seen a doctor before.  I guess you could, but you'd probably not be getting any pain meds out of them.

When you put down your previous doctor you sign a form releasing your medical records.  Your previous doctor/clinic then send them out to the new clinic.

If any doctor decides you have a pill problem he'll write "Patient exhibits drug seeking behavior", which is code for "this guy is a pill addict".

At that point you'll probably never get anything more than prescription advil horse pills.

If you switch doctors/clinics every so often you'll have a trail where you can leave out the last doctor and it still looks like you have a respectable medical history.  If you stick with one forever and you piss him off somehow then you'll end up with a big gap that will look fishy to doctors in the future.


Here's a good tip a friend of mine suggests... He puts down in his file that he has an allergy to opiates.  He says that does two things. #1 the doc immediately knows he's not a pill addict and will never suspect him of anything.  #2 when he does get pain meds HE basically gets to choose what kind.  i.e. he says he can only tolerate the good ones.  Further he claims he doesn't like to take the good ones at all either, so in the end he gets the good pain meds, muscle relaxers, and tranquilizers all in one shebang.

 
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Re: Double Dipping Rx [Re: fastfred]
    #11752275 - 01/02/10 11:04 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

It depends on the state.
Some states are more interconnected, others not so much.

But I do know that there are records of all schedule 2 scripts
Whether or not anyone gets around to checking them is anyones guess.

Just get into a pain clinic, or if she is faking it, rehab.


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Re: Double Dipping Rx [Re: OrganizedChaos]
    #11754123 - 01/02/10 04:18 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I agree with oc, it depends a lot on the state. I believe there is a federal law about it and some states have their own laws. There is little to no chance of the feds coming in unless your name is rush limbaugh. Check your state data base, you should be able to find the laws on the subject.

First they have to prove it was for the same ailment. If she said one was for her elbow and the other for her knee, it will be very hard to bring a case on that. Go to different pharmacies as has been said.

The sad thing here is someone being hooked on this junk. The best thing she can do is go to a meeting of n.a.


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Re: Double Dipping Rx [Re: Stonehenge]
    #11754467 - 01/02/10 05:12 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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I agree with oc, it depends a lot on the state. I believe there is a federal law about it and some states have their own laws. There is little to no chance of the feds coming in unless your name is rush limbaugh. Check your state data base, you should be able to find the laws on the subject.

First they have to prove it was for the same ailment. If she said one was for her elbow and the other for her knee, it will be very hard to bring a case on that. Go to different pharmacies as has been said.

The sad thing here is someone being hooked on this junk. The best thing she can do is go to a meeting of n.a.





Last part is very true.

If you need to lie to get a fix, one should seek help.

People have and will continue to be prosecuted for doctor shopping. It isn't difficult for a prosecutor to round up a grand jury and make some poor junkies life hell.


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Re: Double Dipping Rx [Re: OrganizedChaos]
    #11778137 - 01/06/10 05:04 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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People have and will continue to be prosecuted for doctor shopping. It isn't difficult for a prosecutor to round up a grand jury and make some poor junkies life hell.




I think prosecutions are pretty rare unless it's extremely flagrant, like having 10+ doctors for the same problem.

Most states need intent, which is hard to prove unless the person is way out of line.

The average person is just going to say, "hey my regular doc gave me some pills so I took them, I went for a 2nd opinion/specialist and that doctor gave me different pills so I took those too," and so on.

Unless they can prove intent to commit some actual crime you're not going to get prosecuted.  Regular people can and do see different doctors for the same (and different) problems.  Nothing illegal about that.


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Re: Double Dipping Rx [Re: fastfred]
    #11857709 - 01/19/10 03:10 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

im pretty sure the DEA keeps rx records, i know each doc has a unique DEA liscense # to write opiates, my bet is thats where the "blacklist" is kept. i know afoaf that goes to florida to get meds, then takes them to ky n sells them.

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    #11858201 - 01/19/10 08:15 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Here in Florida doctor-shopping is beaucoup popular. Youll hear about arrests of important city-figures doing it & shit.

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    #11858238 - 01/19/10 08:32 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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i know afoaf that goes to florida to get meds, then takes them to ky n sells them.




Yeah, here in florida, there are towns FULL of "pain-management" clinics devoted to supplying opiates!
They have these newspapers with classifieds with literally 15 or so different pain-clinics, suboxone-clinics (outpatient), methadone-clinics (outpatient), etc. 
The most disturbing ad I saw in such a newspaper was a picture of kids 20-25yo (boys & girls in bathing suits) all smiling & lounging around a pool, with bold text "Need Medicine for Pain?"

...its hard being a recovering iv-Fentanyl/Oxy user who can just drive 4 hours & get a script for 300 30mg-Roxies.

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Re: Double Dipping Rx [Re: purity]
    #11859417 - 01/19/10 12:47 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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im pretty sure the DEA keeps rx records, i know each doc has a unique DEA liscense # to write opiates, my bet is thats where the "blacklist" is kept. i know afoaf that goes to florida to get meds, then takes them to ky n sells them.




Sure, but in most states they have to prove some element of fraud.

Doctor shopping isn't illegal, every person does it.  If your doc doesn't give you the meds you want, or seems uncaring or incompetent, you find another doctor.  There's no way they can make a law saying you have to keep the same doctor or that you can't get opinions and/or treatment from multiple doctors.

The only time it's illegal is when there is fraud/deception involved with the intent to get meds you should not have.


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