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OfflinePhluck
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Sex and media.
    #1161141 - 12/21/02 10:50 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Frank depiction of explicit sex in popular media. Is it wrong, and if so, why?


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Re: Sex and media. [Re: Phluck]
    #1161164 - 12/21/02 11:28 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

If anything it's kinda cheesy...


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Re: Sex and media. [Re: Phluck]
    #1161208 - 12/22/02 12:11 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Are you talking about nudity? Do you mean the type of sex we already see on tv? Or do you mean XXX sex???


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Re: Sex and media. [Re: Phluck]
    #1161249 - 12/22/02 01:41 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Is it wrong? No. Is it exploitive? Quite.


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Re: Sex and media. [Re: Revelation]
    #1161263 - 12/22/02 02:23 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

ex?ploit
1) To employ to the greatest possible advantage
2) To make use of selfishly or unethically


Why would you believe actors/actresses involved in sex scenes are taken advantage of more than other actors/actresses? Especially if they are willing participants (which they are, since nobody is forced to act)?


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Re: Sex and media. [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1161269 - 12/22/02 02:43 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think that Rev meant that the subjects and objects of exploitation are the actors.


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Re: Sex and media. [Re: Phluck]
    #1161390 - 12/22/02 05:20 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

as a generalization, all i can say is sometimes yes and sometimes no. i suppose we'd have to use our discretion on each particular depiction, wouldn't we?

in the last few months, as a miniature business, i've enjoyed turning a few bucks by taking erotic pictures for people. i have to gel with them or i won't do it, the pictures wouldn't turn out right if i didn't like the person. if they do decide to send the photographs (which are for their personal use) to a popular magazine that they enjoy, and they're featured, i think that's great. i think it can be liberating for everyone, it's a fun, creative profession that brings the out-going side of me out. i'd even consider photography on a larger scale, if i do move out of ohio to san francisco or berkeley, as i've been considering. peace/cj


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Re: Sex and media. [Re: Phluck]
    #1161576 - 12/22/02 07:23 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Is it exploitative because it uses natural human desires to draw attention to it?

Because it's a natural human response to enjoy looking at a beautiful landscape as well. Is it exploitative to use that? Is it exploitative to make a documentary about the second world war as opposed to the stock market because people will find that more interesting?

I mean depicting sex as a whole. The US is notoriously prudish when it comes to its popular media. It's the only first world country I can think of that has a problem with showing naked breasts on primetime television.

Do you have any problem with naked breasts on television? What about a naked penis?

Is there any harm that can be caused simply by portraying nudity?

What about portraying sex?


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Re: Sex and media. [Re: Phluck]
    #1161649 - 12/22/02 07:55 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Portayal of sex and nudity is a good thing. America's fear of portraying sex and nudity is what is probably most harmful. Sex is a core desire of humans, there is nothing wrong with it.

Children viewing sexual images? I don't think its harmful at all. Maybe in a society where "sex is bad" is it harmful, but were our society to treat sex with the respect and freedom is deserves, all would be better!


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Re: Sex and media. [Re: Phluck]
    #1161702 - 12/22/02 08:24 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

It's the only first world country I can think of that has a problem with showing naked breasts on primetime television.

Only naked WHITE breasts. They had no problem on prime time showing topless African women on the excellent mini-series "Shaka Zulu" (or was it Chakra Zulu :grin:, but I digress...) from the late 80s I believe.
 


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Re: Sex and media. [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1162207 - 12/22/02 01:32 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Sex and media. [Re: Phluck]
    #1162216 - 12/22/02 01:39 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Because it's a natural human response to enjoy looking at a beautiful landscape as well. Is it exploitative to use that?

Yes. Because the motivation is something other than to allow others to have this natural human response.


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Re: Sex and media. [Re: Swami]
    #1162224 - 12/22/02 01:43 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Only naked WHITE breasts. They had no problem on prime time showing topless African women on the excellent mini-series "Shaka Zulu" (or was it Chakra Zulu , but I digress...) from the late 80s I believe.




Well, I seem to recall full frontal nudity (male and female) and a short sex scene in the mini-series "I Claudius", both white. Thank heaven for PBS. So maybe it's only mini series that get special treatment.  :wink: 


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Re: Sex and media. [Re: Phluck]
    #1162429 - 12/22/02 03:19 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I think it's making girls go into puberty at earlier and earlier ages.....which I don't think is so good...... :crazy:


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Re: Sex and media. [Re: upupup]
    #1163271 - 12/22/02 08:38 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

There's no evidence that I know of to suggest that the media is causing the lower ages for puberty. What do you base this theory on?


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Re: Sex and media. [Re: Phluck]
    #1163306 - 12/22/02 08:56 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I'd have to agree with Rev:
"Because the motivation is something other than to allow others to have this natural human response"
If the media would portray sex as something inherently beautiful instead of using it as a cheap lure to entice people to buy a product or as shock value to attract attention, I believe many people wouldn't be so confused.  I'm having a hard time gettin' out what I wanted to say here... but it all has to do with intention.  I find the media is becoming increasingly exploitive as the years go on.  But that's what the media is all about, $ales. 

I am by no means saying that sex should be censored, I just think that the societal image of sex is skewed and the media isn't helping any :tongue:
 


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Re: Sex and media. [Re: Phluck]
    #1163333 - 12/22/02 09:10 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I'm curious. Is it your contention that there is nothing wrong with it?

Frank depiction of explicit violence in popular media. Is it wrong, and if so, why?

Your turn.


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Re: Sex and media. [Re: Phluck]
    #1164081 - 12/23/02 07:47 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

several different things both of which I don't have on hand but will do some checking and repost here.

Part of my information comes from a major news periodical which was talking about how WORLD WIDE girls are going into puberty at earlier and earlier ages. It seems to be happening in America mostly to african-american girls. The article said they thought it was do to several different possibilites though it's all speculation. It said that the high use of sexual images that are constantly being bombarded at everybody from the media might be causing the brain to be stimulated to produce hormones related to sexual organ and further hormonal releases causing the girls to start puberty sooner. They also suspect the overuse of steroids in such things as meat and milk to potentially be causing the increase.

The first thing I heard on it though was a report released by the World Health Organization that talked about the same thing as well though I remeber that it said the highest indidence of this occurance was happening in the orient where the use of agricultural chemicals and hormones has little if any oversight....

BUT....my eyes told me so when my daughter started to get pubic hair and armpit hair when she was 7. I asked several physicians about this and they remarked that they have been seeing such things more often......


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Re: Sex and media. [Re: upupup]
    #1164125 - 12/23/02 08:05 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I've heard quite a bit about this as well, and it seems fairly unlikely that children being bombarded with sexual images is causing this. Is there a higher rate of it in europe where sex is less of a taboo?

Violence is a bit of a different issue. First off, I'd have to say that I don't think that violence in the media is significantly contributing to actual violence in society. There always has been violence, and it is not on the rise (despite what some people seem to believe). I definately don't think we should be censoring violence in the media, with the exception of children's programming. Exposing young children to shocking violence will certainly disturb them. Sexuality will not.


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Re: Sex and media. [Re: Phluck]
    #1164180 - 12/23/02 08:22 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)



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