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InvisibleIcelander
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The success of the Greedy warrior.
    #11602000 - 12/07/09 11:39 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

They have a better grasp of human psychology. They know we are basically illogical fear driven animals and that the bully will push to the front every time. They take advantage of this by conforming to this reality. They don't mind if children die in their war because they know that children are going to become adults that are going to challenge them for status and control. They have no moral dilemmas to slow their progress.

Now I don't advocate for them. Personally I hate how they are and so hate basic humanities actions at large.  I just realize how it works and that I am also like them in many ways. They are going to rule and one needs to realize this to make it comfortably in this world. If you want to make war on something you don't like in the world then know the enemy and his strengths and weaknesses.


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Re: The success of the Greedy warrior. [Re: Icelander]
    #11602050 - 12/07/09 11:50 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

The greedy warrior perhaps, but I don't think the most warriors, as in soldiers and military personnel I've read about and met fit your description. It is likely however, that their actions, rely upon the logic of the function you outlined above. 

What you've described is that power always works by (and is developed upon) the method of coercion based on threatening people's lives. This is how government, monarchies, mafias, gangs, bar assholes, corporations, "terrorists", etc, etc, etc always work. The problem is that most people are "afraid for their lives" and that is their weakness in relation to their own development, as well as their weakness in relation to power in the world.


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Re: The success of the Greedy warrior. [Re: Lakefingers]
    #11602058 - 12/07/09 11:51 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I'm talking about the bastards at the top of the heap.


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Re: The success of the Greedy warrior. [Re: Lakefingers]
    #11602061 - 12/07/09 11:52 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

The problem is that most people are "afraid for their lives" and that is their weakness in relation to their own development, as well as their weakness in relation to power in the world.

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Re: The success of the Greedy warrior. [Re: Icelander]
    #11602306 - 12/07/09 12:43 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I agree that morality can often hinder one achieving one's goals, but I've never liked power just for the sake of power.  I like having the ability to fulfill my desires, but my desires typically don't include being in the position of the leader.  Too much responsibility for my liking and it's very easy to topple from the top when your next-in-line makes a power grab.


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Re: The success of the Greedy warrior. [Re: Icelander]
    #11602344 - 12/07/09 12:50 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah I'm talking about the bastards at the top of the heap.



Pride is the sign of a foolish man.  The "Greedy Warrior" is fundamentally flawed in his quest to have a vast immortal empire, in that every one which has set out to do so has failed:shrug:


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Re: The success of the Greedy warrior. [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #11602361 - 12/07/09 12:53 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Ice, by the term 'Greedy Warrior' I am assuming you mean an immoral person who will use whatever means necessary (usually force) to get what he wants?

Like Tony Montana from the movie Scarface, for example?


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Re: The success of the Greedy warrior. [Re: RationalEgo]
    #11602409 - 12/07/09 01:03 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Like Tony Montana from the movie Scarface, for example?



Hitler, the little french man, stalin...


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Re: The success of the Greedy warrior. [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #11603056 - 12/07/09 02:49 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Yeah I'm talking about the bastards at the top of the heap.



Pride is the sign of a foolish man.  The "Greedy Warrior" is fundamentally flawed in his quest to have a vast immortal empire, in that every one which has set out to do so has failed:shrug:





Everyone fails by dying and some have stayed in power until that time. Your position is based imo on subjective ideas of what is the good. Not necessarily what works.


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Re: The success of the Greedy warrior. [Re: Icelander]
    #11603064 - 12/07/09 02:50 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

What is good and what works are usually synonymous in the eyes of the greedy warrior, no?


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Re: The success of the Greedy warrior. [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #11603113 - 12/07/09 02:56 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Sure, in that they are also subjective but with the advantage of success. I'm not arguing right and wrong but material animal based success. They have it. Why? I think they believe that by the evidence it is really the thing that matters most and they don't let other considerations interfere.

Most people who are unsure of what is important or what they believe to be important goes against their most basic drives and impulses usually end up as failures.

A very good case might be made that only a very few people rigidly following a moral/spiritual path ever find more happiness then confusion and failure. :shrug:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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