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wood man
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Re: please help me (oh experts) with my ingestion of Amanita Muscaria and my questions about it. [Re: thedudenj]
#9332575 - 11/29/08 03:04 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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ate them yesterday again, with milk, no effects, had like 7g or so, mostly soft and heater dried dot know why they dont affect me....
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Beege
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Re: please help me (oh experts) with my ingestion of Amanita Muscaria and my questions about it. [Re: wood man]
#9332587 - 11/29/08 03:07 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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how sure are you they were muscaria?
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Entropymancer
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Re: please help me (oh experts) with my ingestion of Amanita Muscaria and my questions about it. [Re: wood man]
#9332589 - 11/29/08 03:07 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Potency varies a lot, depending on a lot of different factors. For some specimens, 7g is a pretty low dose. Maybe try 20 g next time?
Edit: Beege asks a very good question. Did you observe the concentric fuzzy rings at the base of the stem? I'm not sure about Europe, but in North America there are some look-alikes that are pretty convincing at a quick glance.
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thedudenj
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Re: please help me (oh experts) with my ingestion of Amanita Muscaria and my questions about it. [Re: Entropymancer]
#9332689 - 11/29/08 03:26 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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ugh i wouldnt eat 20g of the ones i have the thought of that makes me really sick. really really sick. eww. mine is 3g if even that
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wood man
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Re: please help me (oh experts) with my ingestion of Amanita Muscaria and my questions about it. [Re: thedudenj]
#9336210 - 11/30/08 08:37 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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dudes, i ate quite a bit of em, the second time i had like 18g dried, chopped them really good and mixed them with hot (not boiling, just before boiling) milk, 2 cups like 1/2 liter or so, put in a couple of spoonfuls of honey and a bag of Cinnamon tea (tasted horrible so i just waisted time) and left it for 4 hours or so, resting..
split it with a friend, i ate the mushroom pieces on my glass.. it was all just a waist of time and a horrible drink.
i I'm dying to experience all thi marvelous things Ive read about this magic mushroom... and it looks like it doesn't want to reveal its secrets to me...
i must say all specimens i found were quite decolorated because the rain had got to them, i know it affects its potency and i hope that was the problem and not some immunity to psychoactive i have... id like someone to tell me exactly what i must do to have some intense experience with this strange fungi.. I'm grateful to any help
the cold is coming to town... i hope the amanita resist it cause I'm planning on gathering them a third time, though the weather doesn't look perfect... ill ask my friend to give me some cause he has a lot of em..
and i positively identified them, they are muscaria... http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/9310287/an/0/page/0/gonew/1#UNREAD
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Edited by wood man (11/30/08 08:38 AM)
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MHbound
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Re: please help me (oh experts) with my ingestion of Amanita Muscaria and my questions about it. [Re: wood man]
#9336645 - 11/30/08 11:07 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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20 grams fresh or dry?
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wood man
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Re: please help me (oh experts) with my ingestion of Amanita Muscaria and my questions about it. [Re: MHbound]
#9338450 - 11/30/08 04:30 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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if you are talking about me, dried.
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Enlightenedwon
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Re: please help me (oh experts) with my ingestion of Amanita Muscaria and my questions about it. [Re: wood man]
#11566983 - 12/01/09 10:41 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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wood man said: i know soma (the typical indian drink, not the allucinogenic or mystical beverage allso indian) is made with milk and milky products, i know this because of my indian legacy, my mother is indian and told me this).
so i want to know if its more harmful with milk and what changes does the milk produce in the amanita.
I'm betting it has to due with the sacredness of the cow in hinduism, perhaps drinking it with milk is supposed to bring you closer to Devi through the Amanita.
"In ancient India, oxen and bulls were sacrificed to the gods and their meat was eaten. But even then the slaughter of milk-producing cows was prohibited. Verses of the Rigveda refer to the cow as Devi (goddess), identified with Aditi (mother of the gods) herself."
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Aldebaran
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Re: please help me (oh experts) with my ingestion of Amanita Muscaria and my questions about it. [Re: Enlightenedwon]
#11568641 - 12/02/09 08:57 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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I read this interesting guide which you might find useful, written by Entropymancer:
Fly Agarics
There's sections on preparation and psychoactive use. Lots of nice pictures too!
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december333111
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Re: please help me (oh experts) with my ingestion of Amanita Muscaria and my questions about it. [Re: Aldebaran]
#11571962 - 12/02/09 06:59 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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please stop referring to these sacred, healing plant teachers as 'drugs.' they don't appreciate it. fungus and herbs are not drugs. they should not be used as drugs. if ur taking them in the mind-set that u are taking drugs, that will greatly affect the outcome. acknowledge them as medicine, and acknowledge their spirit; put your intentions into them.
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thedudenj
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Re: please help me (oh experts) with my ingestion of Amanita Muscaria and my questions about it. [Re: december333111]
#11583804 - 12/04/09 01:05 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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december333111 said: please stop referring to these sacred, healing plant teachers as 'drugs.' they don't appreciate it. fungus and herbs are not drugs. they should not be used as drugs. if ur taking them in the mind-set that u are taking drugs, that will greatly affect the outcome. acknowledge them as medicine, and acknowledge their spirit; put your intentions into them.
i used to think that but i realize thats not fully true. but yeah valid points i have said what you have way too many times on this place
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BothHands
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Re: please help me (oh experts) with my ingestion of Amanita Muscaria and my questions about it. [Re: wood man]
#11583898 - 12/04/09 01:22 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Muscimol doesn't break down very easily in heat. Its melting point is 185C which is 365F. At its melting point muscimol might seep out of the mushroom, causing it to have less of an effect. If you stay below this temperature, you're fine. 90C is fine.
Heat isn't required to turn ibotenic acid into muscimol. Ibotenic acid becomes muscimol through dehydration. However, heat is probably the fastest way to cause this dehydration.
I don't know why your Amanitas aren't having much of an effect though. Probably, as someone mentioned, rain.
Only thing I could suggest is to eat more. Perhaps buy them from an enthobotanical store.
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Xog
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Re: please help me (oh experts) with my ingestion of Amanita Muscaria and my questions about it. [Re: BothHands]
#11584048 - 12/04/09 01:50 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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am i the only one here that has realized this thread is over a year old?
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1200 Micrograms
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Re: please help me (oh experts) with my ingestion of Amanita Muscaria and my questions about it. [Re: Xog]
#11584052 - 12/04/09 01:51 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Who bumped it?
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Entropymancer
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Re: please help me (oh experts) with my ingestion of Amanita Muscaria and my questions about it. [Re: 1200 Micrograms]
#11585736 - 12/04/09 06:45 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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This was the bump:
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Enlightenedwon said:
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wood man said: i know soma (the typical indian drink, not the allucinogenic or mystical beverage allso indian) is made with milk and milky products, i know this because of my indian legacy, my mother is indian and told me this).
so i want to know if its more harmful with milk and what changes does the milk produce in the amanita.
I'm betting it has to due with the sacredness of the cow in hinduism, perhaps drinking it with milk is supposed to bring you closer to Devi through the Amanita.
"In ancient India, oxen and bulls were sacrificed to the gods and their meat was eaten. But even then the slaughter of milk-producing cows was prohibited. Verses of the Rigveda refer to the cow as Devi (goddess), identified with Aditi (mother of the gods) herself."
Which, considering how old this thread is, would probably have fared better as a new thread.
Kind of funny thing about this reply:
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Aldebaran said: I read this interesting guide which you might find useful, written by Entropymancer:
Fly Agarics
There's sections on preparation and psychoactive use. Lots of nice pictures too!
I was in the process of writing the guide he linked to when this thread was initially posted, about a year ago
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pornisfun2
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Re: please help me (oh experts) with my ingestion of Amanita Muscaria and my questions about it. [Re: Entropymancer]
#11586006 - 12/04/09 07:23 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Seems like few people actually sucessfully get off with amanitas.
I guess theres just alot going on regarding the chemicals involved that we do not understand yet.
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