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Shea25
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Sorry to bring this up again, but why don't you do subsequent rolls? In my experience, the mycelium colonizes the first roll and as such, I end up rolling it again for second and every other flush. Is this detrimental, or do you just think it's unnecessary?
I find it to be unnecessary and a waste of verm. Also it would increase the contamination risk. The first roll is plenty
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Shea25]
#11953453 - 02/03/10 10:29 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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But isn't the reason you roll to cover the mycelium with a thin layer of verm in order to give it a moist micro-climate, so as to give it the most optimal conditions for pinning? If it's colonized by the second flush, wouldn't it be more beneficial to re-establish that micro-climate in order to get an optimal second and third pinset, or is the first layer of verm you put on still enough of a micro-climate, even though it's been colonized?
I don't know if it is actually necessary for the subsequent flushes because I've done without, I'm just speaking strictly from a theoretical perspective here, which obviously doesn't always reflect reality.
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Shea25
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I have tried before re rolling after flushes and found it added no benifit. Re rolling every time just increasing the contam risk also the myc would have to spend time colonizing the verm again and again when it should be fruiting
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Shea25]
#11953503 - 02/03/10 10:40 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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True. I guess once pinning has been induced, the intense micro-climate is unnecessary. Good to know. Great job on the write up by the way. Will definitely be using gypsum next time around.
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nice tek, 13g dry thats like 130g wet, from 1 cake!?
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2 questions. If room temp is only 69-70 thats fine for the whole process? An if you bought your PF Jars can you double Pasteurize them or do you run the risk of drying them out?
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Shea25
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: PureGrit]
#11954934 - 02/03/10 02:47 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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2 questions. If room temp is only 69-70 thats fine for the whole process? An if you bought your PF Jars can you double Pasteurize them or do you run the risk of drying them out? D4D0C8
69-70 will be fine I have grown at those temps 70-75 is ideal. Also we don't pasteurize PF jars we sterilize them. You can re-sterilize them if you like but they should come sterile. For the future make your own jars up
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Shea25
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Shea25]
#11963866 - 02/04/10 06:45 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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i finally got around to finding my old pics thats I added to the dunk and roll section
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Shea25]
#12116301 - 02/28/10 08:26 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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so if i make my brf s ill not put no spore tape ontop and the jar will colonize faster. i do pint jars. and they take a long time to colonize.
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Shea25
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Don't use pints they under perform 1/2 pints
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Shea25]
#12118864 - 03/01/10 09:25 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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what do u mean under perform. they just take to long to colonize. what should i do?
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Shea25
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1 pints will actually not yield as much as 1/2 pints. There for your wasting BRF sub
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Shea25]
#12119600 - 03/01/10 11:28 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Question: Does Gypsum = nutrients for the mushroom? If not, what is the point?
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Shea25
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Yes it add Calcium and Sulfate which aids in the mushrooms development.
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Shea25]
#12120072 - 03/01/10 12:41 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Shea25 said: 1 pints will actually not yield as much as 1/2 pints. There for your wasting BRF sub
what about colonization speed?
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Shea25
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It wont affect that
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Shea25]
#12120096 - 03/01/10 12:43 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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why do half pints yeild more?
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FunkMasterShroom
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I noculated 1/4 pints with 2 points and 1/2 pints with 4 points, and the they nearly colonized at the same rate.
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Shea25
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It would seem pf cakes preform better in a 1/2 pint then 1 pint. They also take alot short of a time to colonize and have a better chance of making to the fruiting stage
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Shea25]
#12126815 - 03/02/10 10:27 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Indeed, unless you do it really perfectly, pint jars have a high chance of drying out before full colonization. Other than that though, I would think that a pint cake would do better overall than a half pint cake, just because of it's doubled mass. If you're new though, I wouldn't risk it.
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