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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: biologys]
    #14051631 - 03/01/11 10:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

When misting to do I spray on to the pins/mushrooms or on the side of the terrarium?

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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: rage87]
    #14056746 - 03/02/11 08:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

mist, don't spray


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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: rage87]
    #14057166 - 03/02/11 09:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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When misting to do I spray on to the pins/mushrooms or on the side of the terrarium?

Thanks.



Misting the side of the terrarium does nothing.  It may add a little bit of extra moisture to the air when it evaporates but not enough to make a difference, worth the effort of spraying the sides fruiting chambers' walls. 

We mist to replace moisture that's evaporated at the substrates surface to keep that perfect micro-climate of humidity provided to our fruiting mushroom bodies.  This micro-climate of humidity is triggered by the exchange of fresh air.  When air comes into contact with the water introduced by misting, the water begins to evaporate.  Mist directly onto the fruiting bodies and most importantly, mist the substrate.  When misting the cakes directly, excess water is sprayed onto the perlite, re-hydrating it so the perlite can continue to release moisture, aiding in maintaining proper levels of humidity through out fruiting.


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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: rage87]
    #14057172 - 03/02/11 09:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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When misting to do I spray on to the pins/mushrooms or on the side of the terrarium?

Thanks.




you can spray the pins and mushrooms but any standing water will cause aborts and bacterial contaminants

and thankyou shea25 for writing this up this is my first time around
and their was alot of good information in this thread
ill be using gypsum in pint jars im making tomorrow, to see if my fist lc is clean


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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: RoyalPalm]
    #14057288 - 03/02/11 09:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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ill be using gypsum in pint jars im making tomorrow




Brown Rice Flour cakes work best in half-pint wide-mouthed jars.  Wide-mouth pint jars can be used if you fill them half the way full with substrate, cut out the addition of the dry vermiculite barrier, and use lids constructed for grain jars before sterilizing them.

If you are sure to provide ample amounts of fresh air, there'll be no time for any water to become standing.  Standing water introduced by misting the substrate directly'll be evaporated by fresh air coming into contact with said standing water with ample amounts of fresh air provided.


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Re: Pf tek done right TEK [Re: Shea25]
    #14057698 - 03/02/11 11:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

<3 the PF tek!

i actually follow most of this except for using a PC instead of a pot.

awesome write up!

a lot of people overlook this tek or consider it outdated...its not, theres a HUGE difference between things that are old and things that are CLASSIC.


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Re: Pf tek done right TEK [Re: gofudgeyourself]
    #14058369 - 03/03/11 03:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Im pretty late to this but mad props on a well written, illustrated, and easy to follow guide. Im using this tek step by step and so far everything is going great. The only thing i deviated from was on the inoculation step. I used a disinfected glovebox instead of doing it in open air just to further ensure a more sterile environment.

Again dude, much thanks for taking the time to post this and the pictures


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Re: Pf tek done right TEK [Re: fbi365]
    #14067753 - 03/04/11 06:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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santaclausmush said:
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Shea25 said:
Here are some Self healing Filtered GE port PF tek lids I made



These also with a dry verm barrier your basically 100% not going to get any contams from the outside at least


what is that stuff u put on the lid.




What is the filter made out of?




I was experimenting with filter mask material with micropore tape over that for lids, Have made a bunch up like this for grains/cakes and LC's with no failure yet


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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: hamloaf]
    #14070016 - 03/05/11 08:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Brown Rice Flour cakes work best in half-pint wide-mouthed jars.  Wide-mouth pint jars can be used if you fill them half the way full with substrate, cut out the addition of the dry vermiculite barrier, and use lids constructed for grain jars before sterilizing them.





thanks, i already had lids made up with polly and rtv , the jars were inoculated on thursday with a pe lc but i forgot to touch the glass and shoot down the side of the jar.

that wouldnt effect any thing to badly right ?


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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: RoyalPalm]
    #14071696 - 03/05/11 04:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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that wouldnt effect any thing to badly right ?



No serious damage has been done because you didn't inject your LC down the sides of the glass.  Because you didn't inoculate along side the glass, the mycelium'll be recovering and expanding from the inside of the substrate thus just taking some extra time to become visible along the glass since you inoculated the middle of the substrate.  Prepare to be patient.


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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: hamloaf]
    #14081148 - 03/07/11 01:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

no problem their,im not in a rush

my ports were towards the edge and i can now see mycelium in all the jars
this was just to make sure my lc is clean before i prep my wbs.

ill let then go another week or so just to make sure its not cobweb, trich or anything else.

thanks for the reassurance hamloaf :thumbup:


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Re: Pf tek done right TEK [Re: RoyalPalm]
    #14087533 - 03/08/11 04:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hi, i have one more question about consolidation
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Now put the jars away in a closet of shelf at room temp they will start to colonize in a few days. Keep an eye on them every 4 days or so. Once they appear to be 100% colonized let them sit for another week to consolidate. Once the jars are finished their 1 week consolidation it’s ready to get them out of the jars.



Is this necessary? What if i miss this phase of consolidation?
For example, i wait untill jars get colonize 100% and after that i put cakes direct into my terrarium without putting jars to consolidate for 1 week. I ask this because on another forum people told me to miss this phase of consolidation. And i don't know what to do :smile:

PS.: sry for my english :smile:


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Re: Pf tek done right TEK [Re: LeoGin]
    #14087623 - 03/08/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

if you dont allow it time to consolidate

1) it's going to take longer to see pins
2) you have chance of getting mutants/blobs
3) you have more chance of contams


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Re: Pf tek done right TEK [Re: LeoGin]
    #14087633 - 03/08/11 04:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Those people are dead wrong. Wait one week after full colonization.


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Re: Pf tek done right TEK [Re: LeopardMan]
    #14097446 - 03/10/11 12:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It's me again. 6 days ago i put 2 jars in a closet at 21 C temperature. (consolidation phase) I give them light 12 per 12 hours. But i don't see any pinns in jars. I should wait another 3 days? Or i can move cakes to terarium tomorrow?


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Re: Pf tek done right TEK [Re: LeoGin]
    #14097581 - 03/10/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Just wait. The more time you give 'em the better.


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Re: Pf tek done right TEK [Re: biologys]
    #14097832 - 03/10/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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if you dont allow it time to consolidate

1) it's going to take longer to see pins
2) you have chance of getting mutants/blobs
3) you have more chance of contams




I definately agree you need to give it a few days minimum after it's colonized to consolidate

BUT

In my experiences it doesn't affect chance of getting mutants much one way or the other, I got hella mutants invitro while the jar was consolidating


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Re: Pf tek done right TEK [Re: biologys]
    #14097868 - 03/10/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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if you dont allow it time to consolidate

1) it's going to take longer to see pins
2) you have chance of getting mutants/blobs
3) you have more chance of contams




1) it wont pin before it is consolidated.
2) Mutants are caused by to much moisture in the cake, genetics or infections.
3) no not really.

If you give myc. some more time to digest the rice and store that nutrients, the first flush/yield will be better then it would be without the consolidation time.


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Re: Pf tek done right TEK [Re: Luger0815]
    #14097896 - 03/10/11 01:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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if you dont allow it time to consolidate

3) you have more chance of contams




3) no not really.





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Ya really.


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Re: Pf tek done right TEK [Re: ModularMind]
    #14097917 - 03/10/11 01:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It is longer exposed to open air until it will pin, or why is there a higher chance of getting contams?


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