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Chlawre
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Shea25]
#12720124 - 06/10/10 11:23 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Alright, well since it seems like we're using this thread for some general questions regarding the tek I have one of my own.
My cakes always seem to pin after 100% colonization, but before a 1 week consolidation period. I birth them early and the pins grow quickly and look healthy. Is premature pinning like this ever a good thing?
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Shea25
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Chlawre]
#12720134 - 06/10/10 11:26 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Chlawre said: Alright, well since it seems like we're using this thread for some general questions regarding the tek I have one of my own.
My cakes always seem to pin after 100% colonization, but before a 1 week consolidation period. I birth them early and the pins grow quickly and look healthy. Is premature pinning like this ever a good thing?
its not a bad thing as long as the cake is 100% colonized. If they pin during the 1 week consolidation period that just means they are ready to be birthed
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Shea25]
#12720714 - 06/10/10 01:44 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shea25 said:
Picture 1) Metabolites I'm not sure, keep an eye on it picture 2) Bruising
I have 12 cakes overall and only 3 with some yellow (oddly, these three are PE whereas all the others are PR).
Can I put the ones that might have metabolites in the same FC as the others?
Should I try to scrap off the yellow?
Thanks.
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Shea25
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: spyrelx]
#12720720 - 06/10/10 01:45 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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spyrelx said:
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Shea25 said:
Picture 1) Metabolites I'm not sure, keep an eye on it picture 2) Bruising
I have 12 cakes overall and only 3 with some yellow (oddly, these three are PE whereas all the others are PR).
Can I put the ones that might have metabolites in the same FC as the others?
Should I try to scrap off the yellow?
Thanks.
Metabolites are fine and should not be a concern to other cakes. Do not try to scrape off metabolites.
If its only the PE cakes that have that weird yellow spots then it could be a contam from the syringe
Edited by Shea25 (06/10/10 01:46 PM)
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Shea25]
#12722049 - 06/10/10 06:04 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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beautiful job shea. this post ended up being a huge hit. good job. and thanks for the help.
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spyrelx
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Shea25]
#12723822 - 06/10/10 11:09 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shea25 said:
Metabolites are fine and should not be a concern to other cakes. Do not try to scrape off metabolites.
If its only the PE cakes that have that weird yellow spots then it could be a contam from the syringe
Thanks much.
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The.Hatter
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Shea25]
#12730334 - 06/12/10 07:48 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shea. I Need Some Help with my grow if you don't mind. PM me. It won't let me PM you. Said you can't accept them. Sorry Off-Topic kinda
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spyrelx
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My very first mushroom has come in! Check that little guy out! I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the rest of the crop. Thanks for all your help.
Speaking of keeping my fingers crossed, a number of my cakes look like they are starting to fruit, but also look like they have some sort of bluish mold/gunk on them. Should I be concerned?


Thanks again.
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Shea25
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: spyrelx]
#12790066 - 06/23/10 12:07 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Take a zoomed in picture of the top of the cakes. Could be bruising, which is fine
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spyrelx
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Shea25]
#12790536 - 06/23/10 01:39 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm not sure if bruising is a technical term. I haven't handled them roughly, etc. Also, some of the blue seems to be on the white growth.
Here are the tops of two cakes, can you tell from this?


Thanks.
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Shea25
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: spyrelx]
#12790543 - 06/23/10 01:40 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looks like bruising
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spyrelx
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Shea25]
#12790626 - 06/23/10 01:51 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Does that mean I've handled them bad? Also, will it inhibit growth? Should I be doing anything different?
Thanks.
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Shea25
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: spyrelx]
#12790647 - 06/23/10 01:56 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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spyrelx said: Does that mean I've handled them bad? Also, will it inhibit growth? Should I be doing anything different?
Thanks.
Not always sometimes they bruise do to dehydration or at times they just bruise, it will not inhibit growth your fine
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Shea25]
#12790660 - 06/23/10 01:58 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks Shea, I really appreciate it.
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: spyrelx]
#12806419 - 06/26/10 05:04 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have an issue I only have access to fine vermiculite at the moment normally i use medium grade. The issues I can see is the substrate becoming too compact leading to very slow growth.
Am i right? or will fine verm be ok?
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Mad_Hatter2004
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Medium and coarse grade vermiculite are best,but fine will work if it's all you can get.
You are right in your assumption that using fine grade vermiculite can cause the substrate to become compact and slow down colonization...just be extra careful on how you pack/load your jars.
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spyrelx
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Help!
As has been obvious from my previous posts on this topic, I’m a newbie doing my first grow and using this tek. I birthed 12 cakes and put them in a shotgun FC on June 10 (approximately 3 weeks ago). I’ve got a perlite base and have been misting/fanning but am not using any additional humidifier, etc.
To date, I’ve had only one mushroom grow on me on one cake which I picked and is now otherwise dormant. I’ve also got another cake that looks like this:


But ALL the others are not really fruiting and look pretty much like this:


Some have that weird stringy growth coming off of them, some don’t. I’ve also seen one or two tiny gnats fly up from the cakes when I mist. The perlite is not bone dry but it is pretty dry (you have to put your finger pretty far down to feel slight dampness). I never see condensation on the walls of the FC like I’ve seen in pictures on this website.
So my newbie conclusion is the FC is too dry and maybe the cakes are too dry and they either can’t fruit and/or are dying.
Any ideas how to save this? Is there something I should be doing? Dunking the cakes again? Breaking them up? Dousing the perlite? I wasn't expecting 100% success but this is pretty depressing.
All ideas welcome. Thanks.
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Shea25
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: spyrelx]
#12845680 - 07/03/10 05:36 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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spyrelx said: Help!
As has been obvious from my previous posts on this topic, I’m a newbie doing my first grow and using this tek. I birthed 12 cakes and put them in a shotgun FC on June 10 (approximately 3 weeks ago). I’ve got a perlite base and have been misting/fanning but am not using any additional humidifier, etc.
To date, I’ve had only one mushroom grow on me on one cake which I picked and is now otherwise dormant. I’ve also got another cake that looks like this:


But ALL the others are not really fruiting and look pretty much like this:


Some have that weird stringy growth coming off of them, some don’t. I’ve also seen one or two tiny gnats fly up from the cakes when I mist. The perlite is not bone dry but it is pretty dry (you have to put your finger pretty far down to feel slight dampness). I never see condensation on the walls of the FC like I’ve seen in pictures on this website.
So my newbie conclusion is the FC is too dry and maybe the cakes are too dry and they either can’t fruit and/or are dying.
Any ideas how to save this? Is there something I should be doing? Dunking the cakes again? Breaking them up? Dousing the perlite? I wasn't expecting 100% success but this is pretty depressing.
All ideas welcome. Thanks.
Build a proper shotgun terrarium, don't have your cakes sitting directly on perlite put a layer of foil under each cake or a jar lid.
Your mushrooms look like they lack FAE
Watch this and build one
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Shea25]
#12845847 - 07/03/10 06:30 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks but to be clear, I watched that video and built a FC to specifications. And my cakes ARE sitting on foil, just like the videos and all the teks advise. I just took them out and put them on a windowsill to take the picture.
I can fan more but I really think the FAE is fine. You don't see any indication of dehydration?
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