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InvisibleRationalEgo
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Re: AIDS Drugs and Pharmaceutical Corporations [Re: HippieChick8]
    #11582668 - 12/04/09 08:59 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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HippieChick8 said:
Trying to discuss Big Pharma without mentioning evil is like trying to discuss Satan without mentioning evil.  It's rather hard to do. :smile:

I have worked for both Big Pharma (developing cancer diagnostic test kits) and for the FDA (researching AIDS drugs among others).  What makes you think that Big Pharma uses all their own money for research?  The government conducts scientific research also, using taxpayer dollars, then allows the pharmaceutical companies to benefit from the data.




Once again, it is the government that created that particular problem.

If the Govt got out of the way, more competitiveness and drive for further innovation would take place, brining down the cost of healthcare for all.

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Re: AIDS Drugs and Pharmaceutical Corporations [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11582969 - 12/04/09 10:04 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

My point is that Big Pharma and other corporations do not take all the financial risks.  Scientific and other types of research are also funded by the government using the taxpayers money.  The data is then given to the corporations.  So yes, I think people have a valid reason to ask for cheaper drugs.

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Re: AIDS Drugs and Pharmaceutical Corporations [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11583123 - 12/04/09 10:34 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't ignore your 'directive.'  I addressed your questions in my first post in this thread, and then I responded to rationalego in a manner that I found appropriate, considering the content of his post and the problem he wanted me to address.

Back on topic:

For those of you that didn't bother to watch the youtube videos, I'll tell you the cost to produce the prescription medications detailed in the video.

If you think it's all b.s. then watch the video and get a feel for who this fellow is.  It's a total of 25 minutes and some change...

Claritin 10 mg
$215.00 you pay for a script
$0.71  they pay to produce
30,xxx % mark up

Norovax 10 mg
$188.29  you pay for a script
$0.14    they pay to produce
134,49x  mark up

Prevacid 30 mg
$334.77  you pay for a script
$1.01    they pay to produce
34,xxx%  mark up

Prilosec 20 mg
$360.97  you pay for a script
$0.52    they pay to produce
69,xxx%  mark up

Prozac 20 mg
$247.47  you pay for a script
$0.11    they pay to produce
224,973% mark up

xanax 1 mg
$136.79 you pay for a script
$0.02  they pay to produce
569,958% mark up


So, why are AIDS Drugs any different?  Of course, there's the research and development, but I'm sure that all of the research that HAS ALREADY been done has been paid for.  Perhaps even future research has already been paid for from profits. 

They're price gouging.  Plain and simple, the pharmaceutical companies price gouge on their products. 

And as far as 'financial risk', the people that take the drugs produced take a much bigger risk.  They trust the companies that produce these drugs with their lives, and more often than not, the drugs do more harm than good.  Financial risk < Personal health risks, in terms of importance.  Most shit marketed is not safe for human consumption because it's too new.  Eating from plastic wrapped food is probably not conducive to health, but it still continues.  Drinking out of a plastic water bottle that has been sitting in the sun is NOT good for your health, but it is still allowed.

Seriously, watch/listen to all 25 minutes of this guy speaking.  Gary Null is his name if you'd like to do some independent research on him and his background.

next...!


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Re: AIDS Drugs and Pharmaceutical Corporations [Re: Tri High]
    #11583397 - 12/04/09 11:35 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

They're price gouging :thumbup:

Let the buyer beware. Then we can prey on the ignorant/weak. Unrestrained Capitalism in action.:thumbup::satansmoking:

It's Survival of the fittest and not the subjective "best".:monkeydance:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: AIDS Drugs and Pharmaceutical Corporations [Re: Tri High]
    #11584277 - 12/04/09 02:39 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Not sure of your point. Do you have an objective metric for fair pricing?

I was selling a racquet online and this guys writes, "Give me your best price!" I write back, "My best price is $1,000. Your best price is free. Let's split the difference."


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Re: AIDS Drugs and Pharmaceutical Corporations [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11584373 - 12/04/09 03:00 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

An objective metric for fair pricing, you request!

Well, I'll put it this way, because I'm free to do so.

People don't need these drugs.  If they were more conscientious and conscious, they wouldn't get into the situation they're in.  Not necessarily AIDS drugs, but the drugs for depression, or acne, or whatever.  Not necessary.

As far as pricing goes, who knows?  Sure, a company decides to make a drug, they can sell it for whatever they want.  But they price it way high, people can't afford it, it puts them in a poverish state.  People get insurance!  They pay a lot for insurance, a co-pay for scripts, they are put in a middle-class state. 

A generic drug of the same stuff is made.  They want to outsell their competitors to gain high profits.  Sell it a little bit less.  But that little bit doesn't really help much, does it?


Really man, it's all a big fucking zoo. 

An objective metric for fair pricing should be based more upon the impact on humanity.  The greater the demand for a *life ending* affliction, the less the prices should be.

Depression isn't a terminal illness, and as such, the drugs, while widely utilized, are not necessary and therefore should cost more for a person that cannot control their emotions/life...

Say - For AIDs drugs, people in Africa should get the recipe and start to make that shit themselves for bottom line prices.  But the formulas are likely patented, and the prices of the drugs are arbitrarily inflated, causing suffering.

Good enough for me, for now.  I'm going to go eat.  If you require more, I'll bullshit with you some more on it. 

Don't turn your back on AIDs.  Be a crusader in comradeship with AIDs patients everywhere.  They need you.


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Re: AIDS Drugs and Pharmaceutical Corporations [Re: Tri High]
    #11584409 - 12/04/09 03:06 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Don't turn your back on AIDs.




And never pick up soap in a communal shower.


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