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 The "tail-devourer"... 
#1158352 - 12/20/02 02:25 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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About a year ago I had an experience on mushrooms in which I was shown some sort of serpent swallowing itself; it had the most powerful presence I've ever felt, and communicated such things to me as "I am the Universe itself", and "to devour (or destroy) is to sustain existence", "good and evil are just representations of necessary perspectives that keep life going", etc... It felt male in nature... The funny thing is, I had never seen this symbol (that I am consciously aware of) anywhere, before my experience. I wrote a trip report about it a long time ago, and Markos told me it was called the "Ouroboros" by Greeks. Come to find, this symbol exists many, many places as far back as ancient Egypt. Coincidence? Carl Jung wrote about this symbol as an archetypical being inside our own minds... Could this also be the origin of so many myths of the "serpent in the Garden", or a Lucifer-type figure such as Quetzacoatl? Is it also a coincidence that our own DNA is shaped in a double helix, the same shape that has been around since Egyptian times as the caduceus? I don't think so. I think that this symbol has a very deep meaning to our subconscious. I also think this is related to what many call kundalini energy, as in the serpent rising from the base of the spine upwards out the top of the head to shower an individual in a fountain of divine energy, symbolized by Christian mythology as a halo around the head.
papyrus of Dama Heroub
Egypt, 21st Dynasty
From a 15th century Greek alchemical text
The "tail-devourer" is the symbolization of concepts such as completion, perfection and totality, the endless round of existence, etc. It is usually represented as a worm or serpent with its tail in its mouth.
During the 21st dynasty of Egypt, this symbol was used to portray the zodiac as a tail-eating snake (Ouroboros) symbolizing the eternity of Time and the boundry of the universe. This parallels mythology seen in ancient Japan, the Aztec civilization, various South American & African tribes, and Nordic & Celtic societies.
The ouroboros has several meanings interwoven into it. Foremost is the symbolism of the serpent biting, devouring, eating its own tail. This symbolises the cyclic Nature of the Universe: creation out of destruction, Life out of Death. The ouroboros eats its own tail to sustain its life, in an eternal cycle of renewal.
In the above drawing, from a book by an early Alchemist, Cleopatra, the black half symbolises the Night, Earth, and the destructive force of nature, yin. the light half represents Day, Heaven, the generative, creative force, yang.
Alchemically, the ouroboros is also used as a purifying glyph.
The world snake, Ouroboros, swallowing its own tail, expresses the essence of Gnostic esotericism. It is both an amulet against suffering and a representation of the cosmos, "the circle of eternal becoming," often seen with the words "One is the All."
...Funny how I obtained this meaning from my experience FIRST, and then validated it afterwards through researching it. I admit I may have seen the symbol somewhere and not realized it consciously, but I can gaurantee that I've never read of the meaning it represents... Yet, that is the meaning I gained from it.
Things like this show me that there are things in the mind and in the universe that cannot be rationally explained.
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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: Adamist]
#1158465 - 12/20/02 03:28 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wrote an abstract poem/story with that snake thing (represented) in it before I had seen or heard about this 'snake eating it's tail' thing.
I have died
and will die.
It's all right.
I don't mind.
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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?
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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: Murex]
#1159810 - 12/21/02 07:34 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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i saw this connection b/w your two stories  . it IS all engrained in us....
*lad d ad lad ddlaa la la dee da*
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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1159819 - 12/21/02 07:40 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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he is a donut  donuts are good, but i wouldnt risk a dual with a dualing donut. no no no you dont know what kinds of trouble you could get yourself into. especially with the scyzo snakes that get in your head and then you think two opposing thoughts in your head at once, and it feels like its going to POP. but if you can let the donut roll in the cosmic play, it might feel really damn good and you might be free .
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#1160011 - 12/21/02 09:45 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is interesting to note that the 19th century German chemist named Kekule dreamed of a snake with its tail in its mouth one day after dosing off. He had been researching the molecular structure of benzene, and was at a stop point in his work until after waking up he interpreted the dream to mean that the structure was a closed carbon ring. This was the breakthrough he needed.
Also, I read somewhere that Francis Crick, the discoverer of the shape of DNA, had a dream before he came up with the idea about two serpents intertwined, which has long been a mythological symbol since the times of ancient Egypt. Coincidence that this "symbol" is also the same shape of DNA itself? Maybe.
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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: Adamist]
#1160225 - 12/21/02 11:20 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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also the symbol for health right? the two intertwined snakes around that cross?
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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: Adamist]
#1160621 - 12/21/02 03:28 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've never before this time seen a picture of a snake devouring itself, however it is a perfect visual representation of what I beleive the nature of the existance to be. Thanks for posting.
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#1160624 - 12/21/02 03:29 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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You mean the caduceus?
~K~
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lol i guess so, i dont know what it is called. thanks for telling me though .
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#1161578 - 12/22/02 05:25 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Actually, the medical profession selected the wrong symbol. The single serpent on a staff is the object that Moses uses to heal in the OT. The Caduceus of the Roman Mercury, Greek Hermes and Egyptian Thoth, may well hail from ancient India as the symbol for the Kundalini (Serpent Power) pathways up the Ida (Lunar channel), Pingala (Solar Channel), and Sushumna (Central channel); criss-crossing at five chakra points and terminating at the wings (the Ajna brow chakra is symbolized by two petals or wings), and surmounted by a sphere (symbolizing the Sahasrara or Crown).
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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: Adamist]
#1161877 - 12/22/02 08:11 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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ummmm...
used to be a local/regional band around cleveland calld oroborous... (jim miller & friendsw, ok...) - did some original stuff & some grateful dead covers... nice folks...
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ummmm...
bukwyrm sez the narrator in robert heinlein's wierd li'l short story "-all you zonbies" (jane, or whatever his name was  ...) wore a ring with that symbol... one wonders if everybody in the time corps got to wear that ring, or just jane (in light of his/her unusual ummm ancestry...)
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i've always wanted one of those rings... (but i am not my own grampaw...)
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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: Adamist]
#1162175 - 12/22/02 11:05 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: gnrm23]
#1163012 - 12/22/02 04:39 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Interesting... Actually a few weeks ago I watched a movie called "City of Lost Children" on DVD, and there's a scene where it shows one of the character's wearing a ring; it showed it so fast I couldn't tell what it was the first time, so I freeze-framed it and it was a snake swallowing itself. Also in that movie are weird Illuminati-type subtleties, such as an "all-seeing eye" surrounded by a triangle...
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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: kREATION1]
#1163131 - 12/22/02 05:26 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks alot for that link... It tied in alot of different information together in a nice way that I could grasp easier as a whole.
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um...YUP...that's all correct 
And it's rather interesting that we still have SO many who FEAR the serpent.
We should all learn to respect and embrace the her...she has much to share if we allow her.
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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: Adamist]
#1163579 - 12/23/02 12:03 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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hi adamist
did you ever consider the snake is spewing out its tail - expanding?
spirals go two ways.
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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: mr crisper]
#1164089 - 12/23/02 05:52 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, but that's an interesting way to view it. Kind of reminds me of the beginning of the video of Parabola. 
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ive heard so many different interpretation of "the serpent". now im just coming to realize okay some people FUCKED it up. and inserted wrong meanings. duality is bad! but balance and a natural order is good, cause like if you have to totally opposing thoughts in your head constantly it can drive you CR eh ZeeY . but anyway, these links clear things up , ahhhhh *sigh of relief*.
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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: Adamist]
#1168711 - 12/24/02 11:27 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just listened to an online interview with James Arthur about the Amanita muscaria mushroom and the origins of Christmas. He claims the Ouroboros is all about drinking your own urine.
I claim he's a quack.
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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: Adamist]
#1171500 - 12/26/02 12:36 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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TOLTEC CHICHEN ITZA; Yucatan, Mexico 1994
DEITY emanating from Serpents Jaw
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#1172808 - 12/26/02 10:45 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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to expand on the idea - the snake swallowing its body is a symbol, that ,if we follow the train of thought it offers, we will come to discover a certain realisation or understanding that is of some interest.
if you view it as the snake endlessly expanding as it spews out its body and follow that direction...
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#1172860 - 12/27/02 12:54 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: mr crisper]
#1173175 - 12/27/02 05:42 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes it is a symbol, and I think the reason that it was shown to me was because I was sending out a call for help, as I was in great distress and fear... I was basically doubting the reason for existence itself... Then my state was changed from doubt to pure fear, as this "presence" was felt. It was reptilian and male in nature, and it felt more like a group or species rather than a single entity. This force sent these waves towards me, these waves of thought... It looked at me as an ant on an ant hill. Then it entered me.
I understood that this was the same force that is metaphorically referred to as the "serpent" in the Garden, the one who offered humans knowledge. In one of those links it talks about Ea/Enki and how they are actually part of the Annunaki, not exactly "extra-terrestrials" because they lived on Earth before, long ago... This goes back to Mesopotamian and ancient Egyptian times.
The Ouroboros is the connection between man and God.
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RebelSteve33 proclaims:
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I just listened to an online interview with James Arthur about the Amanita muscaria mushroom and the origins of Christmas. He claims the Ouroboros is all about drinking your own urine.
I claim he's a quack.
I don't know about your particular level of initiation but I can tell you from my own understanding that Mr. Arthur is correct. Of course you might receive or read one interpretation and become proud in thine own wisdom, being puffed up to the point of being unable to understand multiple interpretations but a famous Prague mystic told me this secret many years ago. In Prague we have many such mystics and you may want to check into this also very infamous is the Amanita muscaria. Understanding comes with many faces. You would do well not to point fingers and call names without being much more aware of what you are talking about. Even Etymologically the Greek word Ouroborus is connected to Ouron (Urine) and Ourea (to make water) even the chemical Urea (found in the urine) comes from the same word. It makes good policy to never consider there to be only one esoteric meaning to a symbol and keep in mind that the likelihood of the real meaning being found in the Encyclopaedia Americana is very unlikely.
All the best, G. Wynn
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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: NNDIMITRI]
#1188119 - 01/03/03 02:50 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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It makes good policy to never consider there to be only one esoteric meaning to a symbol and keep in mind that the likelihood of the real meaning being found in the Encyclopaedia Americana is very unlikely.
Great advice! Especially when reading Aleister Crowley and Tool lyrics. 
The meaning you get from it directly depends on your level of initiation or personal evolution.
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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: Adamist]
#1188282 - 01/03/03 04:07 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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The meaning you get from it directly depends on your level of initiation or personal evolution.
I hear ya buddy!
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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?
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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: Adamist]
#1188330 - 01/03/03 04:34 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here is a relevant (somewhat, I think) quotation from the Taittriya Upanishad:
The one who gives me
will indeed eat me.
I am food!
I eat him who eats the food!
I have conquered the whole universe!
I am like the light in the firmament!
I think the serpent eating its tail is an image of the universe creating itself as it consumes itself. We eat other life and in turn will ourselves be eaten (by worms at least, and perhaps even sooner than that, by viruses, etc.)
Cool though that you saw that while tripping. One thing I see a lot is images of palms of hands with eyes in them. That too seems to be a common archetype. Has anybody else seen that? Any idea what that means?
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Wow I had not read that Upanishad, thanks.
I agree with all of your thoughts on the meaning behind it... it all correlates with what I sensed during the trip. By the way, hands with eyes in them is a common theme in Alex Grey's work.
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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: Adamist]
#1190285 - 01/04/03 12:26 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think theres a lot of things from the past. the meaning and knoledge as been lost, but they still go on. Those Russian dolls where the smallest one fits inside the bigger one, then that goes into a bigger one etc, i think there is something in those, but im not quite sure. while i was peaking they came into my mind, i havnt seen any for years, and would never normaly think about then. anyone got a pic of em?
i understood their meaning for the moment i saw them, but lost it...
i also vagely saw an image in my head, i think it might be buddest...anyway, i think the people who created all these things were onto something, and its just been lost through time.
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Those Russian dolls where the smallest one fits inside the bigger one, then that goes into a bigger one etc, i think there is something in those, but im not quite sure.
That is interesting... Maybe it represents something like different types of energy "bodies" around our physical bodies, such as the mental, emotional, spiritual, astral, etc... Alot of different books I've read have mentioned that there are numerous different energy bodies that surround our own bodies, what some call auras.
Maybe Jung was on to something when he talked about the Universal Being and Collective Memories... It seems that certain symbols have existed from the earliest beginnings of homo sapiens, such as the serpent, and usually a mother-goddess figure, and many versions of "bird" or flying gods. I think certain archetypes exist within all of us...
Damn I need to read up on some Jung. Anyone know where to start?
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The dolls are called Matryoshkas or common Nesting dolls. They were in old times (original) representing apples and mushrooms or eggs. The attached photo shows Matryoshkas depicting Baba Yaga (Mushroom witch of the Forest) and the King of the forest (wearing Amanita muscaria hat) with his zombie wife. These are very popular Christmas presents which are representing the Amanita muscaria also.
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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: Zero7a1]
#1196674 - 01/07/03 03:08 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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ive heard so many different interpretation of "the serpent". now im just coming to realize okay some people FUCKED it up. and inserted wrong meanings. duality is bad! but balance and a natural order is good, cause like if you have to totally opposing thoughts in your head constantly it can drive you CR eh ZeeY . but anyway, these links clear things up , ahhhhh *sigh of relief*.
Balance cannot exist without duality
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Re: The "tail-devourer"... [Re: Remy]
#1197758 - 01/07/03 11:23 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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its a fallacy sometimes... you think of balance but then you are caught in the duality of balance and duality and you are no longer balanced but you are in a dualitistic state. what i meant was confusion, out of zen i guess if you will or tao whatever you want lol.
things arent always b&w . yin and yang still exists but it only exists in the form in which you apply your rationality of it.
thanks for your reply
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