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deCypher



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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Epigallo]
#11588220 - 12/05/09 02:03 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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bradley said: Furthermore, egulation and illegalization are entirely different issues. Do you realistically expect every citizen to be thoroughly educate themselves on any number of the thousands of chemicals that could be added to foods?
Every food should contain a label of all ingredients, but yes, I do expect the consumer to be responsible for choosing what foods to buy and which ingredients are harmful.
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Gumby]
#11588224 - 12/05/09 02:05 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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PassiveAgressive said: I don't get it. With the overwhelming evidence that aspartame is a known carcinogen amongst other things how is it that this scourge still frequents can's of soda etc?
If you don't know what I mean by overwhelming evidence you can start learning from this video (thanks go to wiccan-seeker's signature.)
Why make it illegal? Do you like to tell people what they can and can not consume? Maybe we should just let people make their own choices instead of making it for them.
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PassiveAgressive said: I don't get it. With the overwhelming evidence that aspartame is a known carcinogen amongst other things how is it that this scourge still frequents can's of soda etc?
If you don't know what I mean by overwhelming evidence you can start learning from this video (thanks go to wiccan-seeker's signature.)
In small amounts it's not a problem. It's not biocumulative so your body gets rid of it. The real risk is people who drink diet drinks all day long. It's especially dangerous when pregnant women consume a lot of aspartame, not good for a developing fetus at all.
Edit: you know what pisses me off? When people with no formal education in biochemistry or science in general suddenly think they're a brilliant messenger of god because a youtube video (which was also made by a person with no science background) said something is bad. If you don't know what you're talking about, S T F U !
Redstorm, there's one reason it should be examined closely for consideration in removal from the shelves.
Gumby, I'm sorry I was your excuse to have a bad day. It really makes me feel bad for you.
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the jokes on you gumby, it was a video!

but in all seriousness, i already stated i don't know what i am talking about that i only can learn what other things teach me. that's why when someone corrects me, i learn from it and move on. no need to be harsh.
i am only a person and don't know everything.
i don't think the internet is a safe place to learn from, too many false info. what ever conspiracy,propaganda and governments led out information. for what we know, there are things we believe true but are false. it's easy to lie, it's easy to hide things.
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: deCypher]
#11593630 - 12/05/09 11:31 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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bradley said: Furthermore, egulation and illegalization are entirely different issues. Do you realistically expect every citizen to be thoroughly educate themselves on any number of the thousands of chemicals that could be added to foods?
Every food should contain a label of all ingredients, but yes, I do expect the consumer to be responsible for choosing what foods to buy and which ingredients are harmful.
You expect them to? Why? Most people don't read ingredients, let alone research each one. I think that's a pretty insane expectation. Sure, I would "hope" that they would, but I know they do not and will not if regulation drops.
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Epigallo]
#11593643 - 12/05/09 11:33 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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The lack of concern of other people for their own well-being is not my problem. Let natural selection work things out.
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: deCypher]
#11593742 - 12/06/09 12:01 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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deCypher said: I've never understood the attraction to drinking soda. Give me water any day over that crap.
the indulgence of sweets is perplexing to you?
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: snoot]
#11593771 - 12/06/09 12:07 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just don't feel that my thirst has been properly quenched after drinking soda as compared to a glass of cool ice-water. Obviously the sugar content is what hooks soda drinkers though.
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: snoot]
#11594091 - 12/06/09 01:46 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow, I love some of the responses. Some of you really are showing your true colors! Keep it coming boys and girls! This is better than Jerry Springer!! 
 
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: deCypher]
#11595552 - 12/06/09 11:42 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's not practical man. It takes a long time to research a substance, and there's constantly new potential preservatives or additives that the food industry would like to utilize. Might be a full time job to keep on top of everything.
Not everyone has time and money to buy pure ingredients and make their own meals from scratch, so maybe people who buy a frozen burrito or box of crackers aren't necessarily Darwinian throwaways - it might be a bit too many. People are even conveniently citing studies that have taken place on substances, thanks to regulation.
Regulation of substances in the food supply doesn't mean you can't go buy rat poison if you so choose (and use it in your own personal recipes), it just means it won't be in your TV dinner or soup du jour. What's the big problem with that?
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Epigallo]
#11595579 - 12/06/09 11:47 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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The issue comes down to my freedom as a business owner. If I want to sell a soda that contains aspartame, and someone else wants to buy my soda knowing that it contains aspartame, what's the problem? The government should not prevent consensual contracts from taking place; people do not need protection from their own decisions.
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#11595597 - 12/06/09 11:49 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: dr_gonz]
#11595614 - 12/06/09 11:53 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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If I want to sell methamphetamine and someone else wants to buy my methamphetamine, what's the problem? All consensual buying, selling and possession of drugs should be legal.
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I think that you should post something that refutes these statements if you can find it.
that way people can judge for themselves. you dont necessarily have to agree with it but sometimes it makes more sense to believe this sort of thing if you have a counter argument and you can find reasons that impeaches the pro aspartame side from the pro aspartame side
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: deCypher]
#11596101 - 12/06/09 01:18 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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deCypher said: The issue comes down to my freedom as a business owner. If I want to sell a soda that contains aspartame, and someone else wants to buy my soda knowing that it contains aspartame, what's the problem? The government should not prevent consensual contracts from taking place; people do not need protection from their own decisions.
The effects of aspartame are well known, mostly due to studies to get it through the regulation process. Not only would we lack scientific studies on the multitude of substances that would enter our food, but even if we did, it would be hard to keep on top of everything. The widely believed misinformation on aspartame, even by people who are statistical outliers in terms of how much they have looked into the substance and believe they are "in the know", is evidence that the average person cannot satisfactorily educate himself on the hundreds of possible food additives.
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Epigallo]
#11596140 - 12/06/09 01:25 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm sorry, I don't believe in restricting my freedoms of commerce just because someone doesn't want to research what they're putting in their mouth. By your logic we should probably ban all fast food and cigarettes because they're harmful to consumers too, right?
I do agree with you that most people do not satisfactorily educate themselves on food additives. That's their loss, not mine, and I'd rather be responsible for my own health than enact more restrictive laws that turn this government into a nanny state. Banning products for the protection of the people solves nothing; education and personal responsibility are the way to go.
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Epigallo]
#11596192 - 12/06/09 01:35 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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deCypher said: The issue comes down to my freedom as a business owner. If I want to sell a soda that contains aspartame, and someone else wants to buy my soda knowing that it contains aspartame, what's the problem? The government should not prevent consensual contracts from taking place; people do not need protection from their own decisions.
The effects of aspartame are well known, mostly due to studies to get it through the regulation process. Not only would we lack scientific studies on the multitude of substances that would enter our food, but even if we did, it would be hard to keep on top of everything. The widely believed misinformation on aspartame, even by people who are statistical outliers in terms of how much they have looked into the substance and believe they are "in the know", is evidence that the average person cannot satisfactorily educate himself on the hundreds of possible food additives.
See, here's the problem with your argument: You think that people should be entitled to eat substances they can't even pronounce (and of course have no idea what the fuck it does) while being protected from the consequences. Could you explain how that makes sense?
Imagine this scenario: You're at your local taco stand when you see the tacquerista behind the counter drop a few drops of something out of an eyedropper into your taco. You ask what's in the eyedropper, and they rattle off some long confusing sounding spanish name for it. Do you: (a) eat the taco, or (b) go to another taco stand that doesn't use ingredients you can neither pronounce or speak to the relative safety of?
And if you'd pick the latter, why do you feel everyone else should be legally barred from picking the former option?
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: deCypher]
#11596211 - 12/06/09 01:39 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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deCypher said: education and personal responsibility are the way to go.
QFT...sad really that this isn't the case...
And it's not nearly as hard...there is no need for laborious research on the side of the consumer.They need to have a bit of trust in the agencies paid to research this substances and to approve them and approach foods and beverages with additives with caution.Why the fuck do people complain about aspartame while still drinking lots of soda is beyond me...it is a known fact that soda is not healthy for you...
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: deCypher]
#11596250 - 12/06/09 01:45 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Decypher: I draw a line between teratogens and other food additives because they affect future consensual contracts. I'm not saying they ought to be outright illegal, but they should be regulated. And among those regulations should be the requirement that anyone consuming a known teratogen be aware of its teratogenic potential. If they aren't aware, then this prevents any and all future mates from entering into a fully-informed relationship with the consumer of the teratogen.
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: 13.step]
#11596270 - 12/06/09 01:48 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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What's interesting is the counter argument that the personal choices of an individual can negatively affect the society around them, though. I will eventually be paying for the hospital stays of tobacco smokers and fast food eaters, for example, not to mention the cost in suffering of these individuals' friends and families upon seeing their loved one die of self-inflicted lung cancer, heart attack, or stroke. We say that we should be allowed to make stupid decisions, but we are not completely isolated from the rest of society and our decisions do sometimes detrimentally impact the lives of others.
Food for thought, at any rate. I'd suggest abolishing healthcare where I'm forced to pay for the poor lifestyle choices of other people.
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Entropymancer]
#11596323 - 12/06/09 01:57 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Entropymancer said: And among those regulations should be the requirement that anyone consuming a known teratogen be aware of its teratogenic potential. If they aren't aware, then this prevents any and all future mates from entering into a fully-informed relationship with the consumer of the teratogen.
Sure, I'd be fine with that. I only have a problem with people trying to put me in prison when I'm only harming myself with my actions.
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