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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Adamist]
#11588028 - 12/05/09 01:10 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gumby said: You heard, eh? So what kind of neuroscience or biochem background do you have that can back up your opinion?
What receptors does it effect exactly? What happens after that? What other neurotransmitter pathways are activated or inhibited? Do those pathways being activated or inhibited have any effects on the endocrine system? If the endocrine system is affected, what implications does that have on your health? Yeah. Thats what I thought.
you.do.not.know.what.you.are.talking.about.

how many people actually know what they are talking about? I mean honestly, we can all google and wiki all day long but in the end no one really knows what they are talking about.
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shit i put like 14 packets of sweet-n-low in my iced tea for lunch. I'm still standin.
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: snoot]
#11588031 - 12/05/09 01:11 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: snoot]
#11588040 - 12/05/09 01:14 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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snoot said: From what I understand phenylalananine is only dangerous to people who are extremely sensitive to.
Exactly. The people affected by phenylalanine have a genetic defect in which their body isn't able to metabolize it. Products with phenylalanine are required by the FDA to have a warning for phenylketonurics.
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: snoot]
#11588048 - 12/05/09 01:16 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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snoot said: how many people actually know what they are talking about? I mean honestly, we can all google and wiki all day long but in the end no one really knows what they are talking about.
Are you stoned?
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Gumby]
#11588056 - 12/05/09 01:20 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Was that a rhetorical question?
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Gumby]
#11588073 - 12/05/09 01:23 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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snoot said: how many people actually know what they are talking about? I mean honestly, we can all google and wiki all day long but in the end no one really knows what they are talking about.
Are you stoned?
hes right
we aren't doctors
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Maybe you aren't but it's naive to say that everyone online lacks expertise in a particular area.
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The people who get all worked up about aspartame probably jump at their own shadows as well.
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: deCypher]
#11588086 - 12/05/09 01:26 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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it would be doubly naive to assume that you could distinguish between the two
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: deCypher]
#11588091 - 12/05/09 01:27 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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deCypher said: Maybe you aren't but it's naive to say that everyone online lacks expertise in a particular area. 
yes but in the end nobody in this thread has proven to be an expert in this field
my guess is that this shit is very toxic and is killing people
the evidence I've seen thus far strongly suggests this
but I don't know 100%
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Flop Johnson]
#11588093 - 12/05/09 01:28 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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If someone provides logical justification with reputable studies then distinguishing between the expert and the bullshitter becomes very easy.
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: deCypher]
#11588100 - 12/05/09 01:31 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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deCypher said: If someone provides logical justification with reputable studies then distinguishing between the expert and the bullshitter becomes very easy.
sometimes
some of the key studies that led to its approval were altered
I provided some evidence for that
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Gumby]
#11588103 - 12/05/09 01:32 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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snoot said: how many people actually know what they are talking about? I mean honestly, we can all google and wiki all day long but in the end no one really knows what they are talking about.
Are you stoned?
I was being sarcastic sorry.
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: snoot]
#11588111 - 12/05/09 01:34 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've never understood the attraction to drinking soda. Give me water any day over that crap.
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Jaegar]
#11588121 - 12/05/09 01:38 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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The spread of pseudoscience and its influence on peoples minds is a worrying trend.
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Life Upon Death said: The following studies were considered pivotal.
Entry No. FAMF 134 Title E-5 An Evaluation of Embryotoxic and Teratogenic Potential in the Rat (SC-18862) E-11 Two Generation Reproduction Study in Rats (SC-18862) E-28 106 Week Oral Toxicity Dog Study (SC-18862) E-32 52-WEEK ORAL TOXICITY IN THE INFANT MONKEY (SC-18862) E-33 Appendix: Two Year Toxicity Study in the Rat (SC-18862) E-34 Two Year Toxicity Study in the Rat (SC-18862) E-70 Lifetime Toxicity Study in the Rat (SC-18862) E-75 104-Week Toxicity in the Mouse (SC-18862) E-76 110-Week Toxicity Study in the Mouse (SC-19192) E-77 & 78 115-Week Oral Tumorigenicity Study in the Rat (SC-19192) E-86 A Supplemental Study of Dog Brains from a 106-Week Oral Toxicity Study (SC-18862) E-87 A Supplemental Study of Rat Brains from Two Tumorigenicity Studies (SC-18862) E-89 An Evaluation of Embryotoxic and Teratogenic Potential in the Mouse (SC-18862) E-90 An Evaluation of Embryotoxic and Teratogenic Potential in the Rabbit (SC-18862)
�We also note there were other studies of interest in considering the safety review for aspartame approval.
Sincerely yours, Rudolph Harris, Ph.D., Branch Chief Novel Ingredients Branch, HFS-207 Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition�
So thus, we arrive at the plain admission by the FDA that they used E-5 and E89, the concealed faulty studies, to approve aspartame; Jerome Bressler said these were the worst ones. � Pivotal� means studies from which data will be used to make significant claims; of vital or crucial importance. It doesn�t stop there. Notice E-32 is a 52-week oral toxicity infant monkey study. In this study 5 of 7 infant monkeys had grand mal seizures and 1 died. http://www.dorway.com/raoreport.txt
E-32 is FDA ADMISSION that aspartame triggers seizures. Yet they used it to approve the poison. FDA�s report of 92 aspartame symptoms from coma to death lists 4 types of seizures. In 1986 Atty Jim Turner and the Community Nutrition Institute filed a Citizens Petition to ban aspartame because of seizures and blinding. FDA refused, even though they knew it for years.
Turner, who tried to stop approval said today: �Any rational interpretation of pivotal studies would have caused any reasonable individual to deny approval of aspartame. Every scientist that looked at the pivotal studies said they don�t support safety of NutraSweet and did not support its approval.� Aspartame was approved through the political chicanery of Don Rumsfeld who was CEO of G. D. Searle and a member of President Reagan�s transition team (one of the ugliest, darkest chapters in the checkered history of the FDA). Reagan appointed Arthur Hayes as FDA Commissioner and fired FDA Commissioner Jere Goyan who was going to sign the petition revoking aspartame into law. Reagan wrote an Executive Order making FDA powerless to sign that petition until Hayes arrived to kill it. Obviously Hayes didn�t care what the pivotal studies showed. In the movie, �Sweet Misery: A Poisoned World�, Atty Turner explains what happened. http://www.soundandfury.tv/pages/rumsfeld2.html
http://dorway.com/dorwblog/fda-hid-research-that-damned-aspartame/
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Over 20 years have elapsed since aspartame was approved by regulatory agencies as a sweetener and flavor enhancer. The safety of aspartame and its metabolic constituents was established through extensive toxicology studies in laboratory animals, using much greater doses than people could possibly consume. ...Several scientific issues continued to be raised after approval, largely as a concern for theoretical toxicity from its metabolic components — the amino acids, aspartate and phenylalanine, and methanol — even though dietary exposure to these components is much greater than from aspartame. Nonetheless, additional research, including evaluations of possible associations between aspartame and headaches, seizures, behavior, cognition, and mood as well as allergic-type reactions and use by potentially sensitive subpopulations, has continued after approval. ...The safety testing of aspartame has gone well beyond that required to evaluate the safety of a food additive. When all the research on aspartame is examined as a whole, it is clear that aspartame is safe, and there are no unresolved questions regarding its safety under conditions of intended use.
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Jaegar]
#11588163 - 12/05/09 01:49 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jaegar said: Over 20 years have elapsed since aspartame was approved by regulatory agencies as a sweetener and flavor enhancer. The safety of aspartame and its metabolic constituents was established through extensive toxicology studies in laboratory animals, using much greater doses than people could possibly consume. ...Several scientific issues continued to be raised after approval, largely as a concern for theoretical toxicity from its metabolic components � the amino acids, aspartate and phenylalanine, and methanol � even though dietary exposure to these components is much greater than from aspartame. Nonetheless, additional research, including evaluations of possible associations between aspartame and headaches, seizures, behavior, cognition, and mood as well as allergic-type reactions and use by potentially sensitive subpopulations, has continued after approval. ...The safety testing of aspartame has gone well beyond that required to evaluate the safety of a food additive. When all the research on aspartame is examined as a whole, it is clear that aspartame is safe, and there are no unresolved questions regarding its safety under conditions of intended use.
like I said I don't know
but I suspect this is utter bullshit
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Life Upon Death said: When the G.D. Searle Co. sought FDA approval for NutraSweet they submitted doctored, fraudulent "studies," so corrupt that the Department of Justice appointed two prosecutors to Investigate Searle. Searle's lawyers hired the prosecutors and the case died with the statute of limitations.
Listen in on aspartame hearings in 1976 between Senator Ted Kennedy and FDA Commissioner Alexander Schmidt at the Senate Subcommittee on Labor and Public Health:
Commissioner Schmidt: "Today I would like to report to you the final results of the Food and Drug Administration's detailed investigation of animal studies performed by Searle."
Senator Kennedy: "Is this the first time, to your knowledge, that such a problem has been uncovered of this magnitude by the Food and Drug Administration?"
Dr. Schmidt: "It is certainly the first time that such an extensive and detailed examination of this kind has taken place. We have never before conducted such an examination as we did at Searle. From time to time, we have been aware of isolated problems, but we were not aware of the extent of the problem in one pharmaceutical house."
Senator Kennedy: "The extensive nature of the almost unbelievable range of abuses discovered by the FDA on several major Searle products is profoundly disturbing."
http://www.mpwhi.com/fda_hid_research_that_damned_aspartame.htm
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