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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: nowwhoutthink]
#11587178 - 12/04/09 10:05 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Stevia tastes awful too
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Entropymancer]
#11587188 - 12/04/09 10:07 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'll stick with sugar
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I think it's hilarious that a bunch of people trying to get soft drugs legalized want to ban an artificial sweetener.
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: dr_gonz]
#11587211 - 12/04/09 10:10 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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dr_gonz said: I smoke aspartame 
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Flop Johnson]
#11587250 - 12/04/09 10:15 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do you really need to ask this? !~ Why is alcohol still legal to an extent, why are ciggerettes still legal in a sense, those kill more combined then most things illegal will ever do. Aspartame originally was tested by people who sold it so naturally all the tests were biased, there is an awesome documentary, called Sweet Misery, pretty much lays it all out unbiased and pretty scary. In rat tests I think it was something like 29% had a huge increase in brain tumor growthage, that might be wrong its been a while sense I saw the doc, but its scary, I honestly hate the taste of it you can distinguish it fairly easily. I hear alot people saying well the amounts are so small in the food/beverages that its not really a risk, but people fail to realize how many things contain aspartame so I think that rationalization is fucking rediculous. They banned saccharine super quick when they found out how horrible that shit was. Honestly it all boils down to money, money money money money money. The root of all evil.
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: snoot]
#11587285 - 12/04/09 10:21 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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snoot said: Do you really need to ask this? !~ Why is alcohol still legal to an extent, why are ciggerettes still legal in a sense, those kill more combined then most things illegal will ever do. Aspartame originally was tested by people who sold it so naturally all the tests were biased, there is an awesome documentary, called Sweet Misery, pretty much lays it all out unbiased and pretty scary. In rat tests I think it was something like 29% had a huge increase in brain tumor growthage, that might be wrong its been a while sense I saw the doc, but its scary, I honestly hate the taste of it you can distinguish it fairly easily. I hear alot people saying well the amounts are so small in the food/beverages that its not really a risk, but people fail to realize how many things contain aspartame so I think that rationalization is fucking rediculous. They banned saccharine super quick when they found out how horrible that shit was. Honestly it all boils down to money, money money money money money. The root of all evil.
ya it tastes like asshole lol
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PassiveAgressive said: Aspartame should be a schedule I substance by all accounts if you were to ask me (or most sane and educated people on the topic.)
Seriously people, WHY is this STILL legal?
Better question, why is bud still illegal when this shit is considered okay.
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it's because the government doesn't give a rats ass about you! too busy doing other things like killing innocent people. truth is, it's all a corporate stunt to gain selfish benefits.
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Entropymancer]
#11587489 - 12/04/09 10:58 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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deCypher said: Aspartame should remain legal, but anyone selling products containing aspartame should make sure to list that ingredient on the label. It's my personal choice whether or not I ingest any potentially harmful chemical, not the government's.

Making products which are only dangerous to someone who consumes them illegal is absurd. It's the same justification as for making drugs illegal. It violates the notion of personal accountability and perpetuates the oxymoronic notion of victimless crimes.
The fact is, people choose to consume aspartame. Whether or not they're aware of any potential risks in doing so is irrelevant, because information on that topic is freely available to anyone interested.
That said, regulation of products containing teratogenic substances should be regulated, as these pose a risk to children in the womb (who cannot give consent). In such cases, it should at minimum be made aware to consumers the potential effects it could have on future fertility and offspring.
Not werd.
You're holding a double standard; for one substance it is the consumer's responsibility to be proactive about educating themselves, but not for the other. Why are teratogenic substances special? I could just as well ingest something that could cause mental illness, and thus harm to others, as I could ingest something that would affect my potential fetus.
Furthermore, egulation and illegalization are entirely different issues. Do you realistically expect every citizen to be thoroughly educate themselves on any number of the thousands of chemicals that could be added to foods?
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: elementswrath]
#11587502 - 12/04/09 11:00 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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elementswrath said: it's because the government doesn't give a rats ass about you! too busy doing other things like killing innocent people. truth is, it's all a corporate stunt to gain selfish benefits.
I know man, and frankly I'm getting sick of it. I feel like America is going to run itself to the fucking ground because it was bought and sold so long ago to people who only care about short term profits
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Entropymancer]
#11587568 - 12/04/09 11:13 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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true stevia does...thats why i drink reg sugar. ha...
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: nowwhoutthink]
#11587622 - 12/04/09 11:24 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think the main problem is the fact that Sugar has been portait as the sole thing that is making people fat and unhealthy and thats the problem, the talk of taxing sugar, and all this and that, the problem is peoples lifestyles and not sugar, sugar has been around forever and its only the past decade or so that it somehow has become the thing that is making people fat and stupid. We dont need all this artificial shit that is worse for you then sugar is., Misinformation is far deadlier then sugar is. sugar
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: snoot]
#11587719 - 12/04/09 11:43 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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yea our bodies are just loaded with artificial shit....they say there is so much preservatives in food that it actually helps they body perverse longer once dead.
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: nowwhoutthink]
#11587888 - 12/05/09 12:32 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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yz, lots of shit can be turned into carcinogens, like meats that are preserved with nitrates, when they are grilled and charred, heterocyclic amines are produced which are highly carcinogenic.
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Safer Alternatives for Grilling Other foods produce undetectable levels or negligible concentrations of HCAs when they are grilled. These include soy-based veggie burgers, veggie brochettes, and portabello mushroom “steaks.” These healthy vegetarian alternatives are also low in fat and cholesterol.
Grilled Meat High in HCAs Grilled meat yields some of the highest concentrations of heterocyclic amines (HCAs).6 These compounds form when a combination of creatine (a specific amino acid found in muscle) and sugars, which are both found naturally in meats, are heated during cooking.7 Grilling is particularly carcinogen-forming because the process involves high heat and long cooking times. Nearly all meats, including chicken and fish, produce significant amounts of HCAs when tossed on the grill.
Meat that is grilled, fried, or oven-broiled often produces large quantities of HCAs.8,9,10 The longer and hotter the meat is cooked, the more these compounds form. The major classes of HCAs include amino-imidazo-quinolines, or amino-imidazo-quinoxalines (collectively called IQ-type compounds), and amino-imidazo-pyridines. Within these families, MeIQx and PhIP are the members most abundantly found in cooked meats.
High meat intake has been correlated with increased risk of cancer, particularly of the breast and colon.11 While the fat in meat is most commonly associated with cancer risk, HCAs also play a role. As known mutagens, HCAs can bind directly to DNA, cause mutation, and promote cancer initiation.12
Because HCA concentration increases with heat and time, it would be expected that well-done meat would increase the risk of cancer. This is exactly what researchers have found. In a recent review of 30 epidemiologic studies investigating the link between well-done meat consumption and cancer at various sites, 80 percent showed a positive correlation.13
Plant-Based Foods Yield Negligible HCAs Since creatine, one of the ingredients for the formation of HCAs, is mostly found in muscle tissue, it is not surprising that grilled veggie burgers and other vegetarian foods contain either no HCAs or negligible levels.6
Choosing plant-based foods instead of meat also lowers cancer risk in other ways. Not only are vegetables low in fat and high in fiber, they also contain many cancer-fighting substances. Carotenoids, the pigment that gives fruits and vegetables their dark colors, have been shown to help prevent cancer. Beta-carotene, present in dark green and yellow vegetables, helps protect against lung cancer and may help prevent cancers of the bladder, mouth, larynx, esophagus, breast, and other sites. Many studies have found that diets rich in fruits and vegetables and low in animal fat cut cancer risks.
Other Dangers of Grilled Meat Grilling meat also produces other types of food mutagens. Grilling or broiling meat over a direct flame results in fat dropping on the hot fire and the production of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon-containing flames. Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) adhere to the surface of food; the more intense the heat, the more PAHs are present.14 They are widely believed to play a significant role in human cancers.15 A fairly consistent association between grilled or broiled, but not fried, meat consumption and stomach cancer implies that dietary exposure to PAHs may play a role in the development of stomach cancer.11
Hotdogs Contain Other Carcinogens While HCAs do not form in grilled hotdogs, these highly processed meat products contain other carcinogens. Nitrates and N-nitroso compounds, preservatives found in processed foods such as hotdogs and sausages, have long been recognized as potent carcinogens.16 Increased dietary intake of processed meats have been linked to increased cancers at various sites, including the colon,17 the pancreas,18 and the gastrointestinal tract.19
Red Meat Increases Cancer Risk Red meat increases the risk of cancer. Recent studies show that red meat can increase colon cancer risk as much as 300 percent.20 While dietary factors such as the fat content and the lack of protective fiber in red meat are considered significant contributors, HCAs were specifically found to increase colon cancer risk.21
Chicken and Fish Increase Cancer Risk Many people switch to chicken and fish, believing these to be healthier alternatives to beef. But that is not the case. On the grill, chicken produced more than 10 times the amount of the carcinogenic heterocyclic amines found in grilled beef. Furthermore, nearly all the HCAs detected were in the form of PhIP, which has specifically been implicated in breast cancer risk.12 This increased PhIP formation is likely due to the fact that chicken contains a large amount of phenylalanine, tyrosine, and isoeucine, amino acids that contribute to HCA formation. Fish also contains significant amounts of creatine, one of the other main ingredients for the formation of the carcinogens; not surprisingly, fish showed significant HCA formation as well.
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I just drank a can of aspartame, and it was delicious. Am I going to die?
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: grewya]
#11587953 - 12/05/09 12:48 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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no but your going to fart tumors
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: snoot]
#11587985 - 12/05/09 12:54 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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they came out with a new mix of stevia that has sugar in it now, basicaly its the best of both worlds with just a little bit of evil in it.
the main problem with sugar is that it fucks your teef hardcore, and gums even moreso, i think im gunna die from gingereyetiss
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: elementswrath]
#11587999 - 12/05/09 12:59 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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elementswrath said: i heard that phenylalananine is, but taking a bit to much can unbalance other receptors making you more prone to seizures and mood swings(that's what the video told me i guess i shouldn't believe it?) , but aspartic acid? no i didn't. I don't really know too much about the body, i just remember any little bits of knowledge i can
You heard, eh? So what kind of neuroscience or biochem background do you have that can back up your opinion?
What receptors does it effect exactly? What happens after that? What other neurotransmitter pathways are activated or inhibited? Do those pathways being activated or inhibited have any effects on the endocrine system? If the endocrine system is affected, what implications does that have on your health? Yeah. Thats what I thought.
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Gumby]
#11588012 - 12/05/09 01:03 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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From what I understand phenylalananine is only dangerous to people who are extremely sensitive to.
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Gumby]
#11588017 - 12/05/09 01:05 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gumby said: You heard, eh? So what kind of neuroscience or biochem background do you have that can back up your opinion?
What receptors does it effect exactly? What happens after that? What other neurotransmitter pathways are activated or inhibited? Do those pathways being activated or inhibited have any effects on the endocrine system? If the endocrine system is affected, what implications does that have on your health? Yeah. Thats what I thought.
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