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OfflineLife Upon Death
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11585167 - 12/04/09 05:16 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.rense.com/general35/evid.htm

seems to be a lot of good info here(mentions a lot of doctors and peer reviewed studies which supposedly found that aspartame causes brain tumors)

I don't know enough to say either way but if its true then that wiki page is a complete crock of shit


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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11585193 - 12/04/09 05:20 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Says Epstein in his Huffington Post article, “Under the explicit provisions of the 1958 Delaney Law, which requires an automatic ban on carcinogenic food additives, it is anticipated that Dr. Margaret Hamburg, the newly appointed FDA Commissioner and inspiring public health advocate, will promptly ban the continued use of aspartame.”

http://dorway.com/dorwblog/could-aspartame-finally-face-a-ban/


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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11585222 - 12/04/09 05:25 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

When the G.D. Searle Co. sought FDA approval for NutraSweet they submitted doctored, fraudulent "studies," so corrupt that the Department of Justice appointed two prosecutors to Investigate Searle. Searle's lawyers hired the prosecutors and the case died with the statute of limitations.

Listen in on aspartame hearings in 1976 between Senator Ted Kennedy and FDA Commissioner Alexander Schmidt at the Senate Subcommittee on Labor and Public Health:

Commissioner Schmidt: "Today I would like to report to you the final results of the Food and Drug Administration's detailed investigation of animal studies performed by Searle."

Senator Kennedy: "Is this the first time, to your knowledge, that such a problem has been uncovered of this magnitude by the Food and Drug Administration?"

Dr. Schmidt: "It is certainly the first time that such an extensive and detailed examination of this kind has taken place. We have never before conducted such an examination as we did at Searle. From time to time, we have been aware of isolated problems, but we were not aware of the extent of the problem in one pharmaceutical house."

Senator Kennedy: "The extensive nature of the almost unbelievable range of abuses discovered by the FDA on several major Searle products is profoundly disturbing."

http://www.mpwhi.com/fda_hid_research_that_damned_aspartame.htm


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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11585238 - 12/04/09 05:29 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

"The consequences are now evidence in the explosive rise of brain tumors nationally. The cluster of brain tumors in my own community serves as an example. The analysis of drinking water fails to demonstrate other chemical contaminants. My recent book, 'A Manifesto for American Medicine' details these and other related problems and the still ignored epidemic of aspartame disease is an unconscionable result of which both the population and its children will have to pay.

"Some of the details of these two studies left out of the Bressler Report were scientifically objectionable and again should have precluded the FDA approving it for human use. As an example, one fetus showed hydrocephalus. Increased intracranial venous pressure can lead to either pseudotumor cerebri or hydrocephalus. I have already written a report on my clinical insights concerning a remediable cause of pseudotumor cerebri (benign intracranial hypertension) due to aspartame several years ago and now there are 20 cases in my data base"

H. J. Roberts, M.D.


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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: PassiveAgressive]
    #11585272 - 12/04/09 05:33 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

While the potential dangers of aspartame are less than conclusively defined, it seems much more intelligent to err on the side of safety and just eat sugar.  Aspartame hardly reduces caloric intake, and as far as I'm aware has no substantial benefits along the lines of its intended use (reducing the effects of sugar intake).

But, like Pris, my real reason for not eating aspartame is that it tastes awful, simple as that.

Also, if you're looking for a reason not to eat aspartame but can't be arsed to sort through scientific literature to support your decision, just say you don't use it because it's made by the evil Monsanto! (Monsanto actually no longer makes the stuff, but what're the odds someone will call you out on that? :hehehe:)


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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11585317 - 12/04/09 05:39 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Aspartame should remain legal, but anyone selling products containing aspartame should make sure to list that ingredient on the label.  It's my personal choice whether or not I ingest any potentially harmful chemical, not the government's.


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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: PassiveAgressive]
    #11585378 - 12/04/09 05:48 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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PassiveAgressive said:
I don't get it. With the overwhelming evidence that aspartame is a known carcinogen amongst other things how is it that this scourge still frequents can's of soda etc?

If you don't know what I mean by overwhelming evidence you can start learning from this video (thanks go to wiccan-seeker's signature.)







In small amounts it's not a problem. It's not biocumulative so your body gets rid of it. The real risk is people who drink diet drinks all day long. It's especially dangerous when pregnant women consume a lot of aspartame, not good for a developing fetus at all.

Edit: you know what pisses me off? When people with no formal education in biochemistry or science in general suddenly think they're a brilliant messenger of god because a youtube video (which was also made by a person with no science background) said something is bad. If you don't know what you're talking about, S T F U !


Edited by Gumby (12/04/09 05:54 PM)


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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: PassiveAgressive]
    #11585403 - 12/04/09 05:53 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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PassiveAgressive said:
I don't get it. With the overwhelming evidence that aspartame is a known carcinogen amongst other things how is it that this scourge still frequents can's of soda etc?

If you don't know what I mean by overwhelming evidence you can start learning from this video (thanks go to wiccan-seeker's signature.)






Aspartame was only found to be dangerous among super toxic amounts given to rats....humans cannot drink enough cola to pose a serious risk. I mean, everytime you go out in the sunlight, you're exposed to UV rays- those are cancerous too, should we ban sunlight?


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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: deCypher]
    #11585547 - 12/04/09 06:19 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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deCypher said:
Aspartame should remain legal, but anyone selling products containing aspartame should make sure to list that ingredient on the label.  It's my personal choice whether or not I ingest any potentially harmful chemical, not the government's.



:werd:

Making products which are only dangerous to someone who consumes them illegal is absurd. It's the same justification as for making drugs illegal. It violates the notion of personal accountability and perpetuates the oxymoronic notion of victimless crimes.

The fact is, people choose to consume aspartame. Whether or not they're aware of any potential risks in doing so is irrelevant, because information on that topic is freely available to anyone interested.


That said, regulation of products containing teratogenic substances should be regulated, as these pose a risk to children in the womb (who cannot give consent). In such cases, it should at minimum be made aware to consumers the potential effects it could have on future fertility and offspring.


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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11585593 - 12/04/09 06:25 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Quote from Brian Dunnings critical thinking article.

Link at http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4127


"When you hear claims that are supported only by a fringe minority that's in opposition to the scientific consensus, you have good reason to be skeptical right off the bat, but it doesn't mean it's not worth looking into. Aspartame has been looked into ad nauseum even after its approval, and found safe at every try; so at some point you have to depart from rationality to continue supporting the claims made against it. Enjoy your diet Dr. Pepper, it's not going to hurt you; if it was, I'd have been dead decades ago".


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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Jaegar]
    #11585596 - 12/04/09 06:26 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Enjoy some critical thinking people.


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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: PassiveAgressive]
    #11585624 - 12/04/09 06:30 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

The question isn't why is aspartame legal, the question is why is LSD ILLEGAL?

The two are sort of connected


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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Jaegar]
    #11585643 - 12/04/09 06:34 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I wonder how difficult it would be to create a hoax in order to discredit your opposition

seems as though there is a lot of valid information out there so why would someone feel the need to falsify data?


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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11585679 - 12/04/09 06:37 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

The following studies were considered pivotal.

Entry No. FAMF 134                Title
E-5            An Evaluation of Embryotoxic and Teratogenic Potential in the Rat (SC-18862)
E-11            Two Generation Reproduction Study in Rats (SC-18862)
E-28            106 Week Oral Toxicity Dog Study (SC-18862)
E-32            52-WEEK ORAL TOXICITY IN THE INFANT MONKEY (SC-18862)
E-33            Appendix:  Two Year Toxicity Study in the Rat (SC-18862)
E-34            Two Year Toxicity Study in the Rat (SC-18862)
E-70            Lifetime Toxicity Study in the Rat (SC-18862)
E-75            104-Week Toxicity in the Mouse (SC-18862)
E-76            110-Week Toxicity Study in the Mouse (SC-19192)
E-77 & 78    115-Week Oral Tumorigenicity Study in the Rat (SC-19192)
E-86            A Supplemental Study of Dog Brains from a 106-Week Oral Toxicity Study (SC-18862)
E-87            A Supplemental Study of Rat Brains from Two Tumorigenicity Studies (SC-18862)
E-89            An Evaluation of Embryotoxic and Teratogenic Potential in the Mouse (SC-18862)
E-90            An Evaluation of Embryotoxic and Teratogenic Potential in the Rabbit (SC-18862)

”We also note there were other studies of interest in considering the safety review for aspartame approval.

Sincerely yours,
Rudolph Harris, Ph.D., Branch Chief
Novel Ingredients Branch, HFS-207
Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition”

So thus, we arrive at the plain admission by the FDA that they used E-5 and E89, the concealed faulty studies, to approve aspartame; Jerome Bressler said these were the worst ones.  “ Pivotal” means studies from which data will be used to make significant claims; of vital or crucial importance. It doesn’t stop there.  Notice E-32 is a 52-week oral toxicity infant monkey study.  In this study 5 of 7 infant monkeys had grand mal seizures and 1 died.  http://www.dorway.com/raoreport.txt

E-32 is FDA ADMISSION that aspartame triggers seizures.  Yet they used it to approve the poison. FDA’s report of 92 aspartame symptoms from coma to death lists 4 types of seizures.  In 1986 Atty Jim Turner and the Community Nutrition Institute filed a Citizens Petition to ban aspartame because of seizures and blinding. FDA refused, even though they knew it for years.

Turner, who tried to stop approval said today: “Any rational interpretation of pivotal studies would have caused any reasonable individual to deny approval of aspartame.  Every scientist that looked at the pivotal studies said they don’t support safety of NutraSweet and did not support its approval.” Aspartame was approved through the political chicanery of Don Rumsfeld who was CEO of G. D. Searle and a member of President Reagan’s transition team (one of the ugliest, darkest chapters in the checkered history of the FDA).  Reagan appointed Arthur Hayes as FDA Commissioner  and fired FDA Commissioner Jere Goyan who was going to sign the petition revoking aspartame into law.  Reagan wrote an Executive Order making FDA powerless to sign that petition until Hayes arrived to kill it.  Obviously Hayes didn’t care what the pivotal studies showed.  In the movie, “Sweet Misery:  A Poisoned World”, Atty Turner explains what happened.  http://www.soundandfury.tv/pages/rumsfeld2.html

http://dorway.com/dorwblog/fda-hid-research-that-damned-aspartame/


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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Gumby]
    #11586497 - 12/04/09 08:33 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Gumby said:

Edit: you know what pisses me off? When people with no formal education in biochemistry or science in general suddenly think they're a brilliant messenger of god because a youtube video (which was also made by a person with no science background) said something is bad. If you don't know what you're talking about, S T F U !





:cheers: Gumby, its good to hear from someone who isn't wearing a tinfoil hat, i genuinely didn't know if most of the posts in this thread were serious or just taking the piss



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did you watch any of the 1 hour long video at all?
aspartame is made with aspartic acid, phenylaline and methyl ether.
aspartic acid is a cytotoxin.
phenylaline causes mood swings,panic, seizures.
methyl ether causes brain damage, disorientation, tumors, brain bleeding, shortness of breath,cardiac arrest ect.

not safe.




:facepalm::curbyourenthusiasm:

i hope you realise alot of you is composed of aspartic acid and phenylalanine


Edited by Spiderbaby (12/04/09 08:41 PM)


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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Spiderbaby]
    #11586627 - 12/04/09 08:50 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

man the fda approves everything...its so funny the shit they think is "safe"


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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: nowwhoutthink]
    #11586818 - 12/04/09 09:13 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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    elementswrath said:
    did you watch any of the 1 hour long video at all?
    aspartame is made with aspartic acid, phenylaline and methyl ether.
    aspartic acid is a cytotoxin.
    phenylaline causes mood swings,panic, seizures.
    methyl ether causes brain damage, disorientation, tumors, brain bleeding, shortness of breath,cardiac arrest ect.

    not safe.



:facepalm::curbyourenthusiasm:

i hope you realise alot of you is composed of aspartic acid and phenylalanine


i heard that phenylalananine is, but taking a bit to much can unbalance other receptors making you more prone to seizures and mood swings(that's what the video told me:shrug: i guess i shouldn't believe it?) , but aspartic acid? no i didn't.
I don't really know too much about the body, i just remember any little bits of knowledge i can


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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: elementswrath]
    #11586854 - 12/04/09 09:18 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

not safe for sure...i tell my gpa that all the time....doesnt listen though. yets hes diabetic...so nm hah


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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Neuron]
    #11586949 - 12/04/09 09:30 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Neuron said:
Aspartame was only found to be dangerous among super toxic amounts given to rats....humans cannot drink enough cola to pose a serious risk.





incorrect, I risk having a nasty taste in my mouth for hours if I drink one of those diet drinks


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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #11586961 - 12/04/09 09:32 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

its just bad and unnatural.  but i think its called stevia..its natural i thinkbetter for ya than aspartame


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