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future primitive
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: supra]
#11599171 - 12/06/09 08:41 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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believe me, so do I. food is a big deal to me. I'm just saying in general. a lot of people don't make their own salad dressing for example, and don't know that there is msg in it. it is. it's in everything.. that has a flavor anyway, because it's being called an inexpensive "flavor enhancer". MSG is a neurotoxin, potentially toxic to everyone. and it's in THOUSANDS of products. there's something wrong with thQuote:
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there is no reason why msg should be in everything either.
luckily, its not, as i make food every single day that totally lacks it, and have no problem doing so.
peace
believe me, so do I. food is a big deal to me. I'm just saying in general. a lot of people don't make their own salad dressing for example, and don't know that there is msg in it. it is. it's in everything.. that has a flavor anyway, because it's being called an inexpensive "flavor enhancer". MSG is a neurotoxin, potentially toxic to everyone. and it's in THOUSANDS of products. there's something wrong with that.
http://www.truthinlabeling.org/Dang.html
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: deCypher]
#11599174 - 12/06/09 08:42 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Life Upon Death said: by your logic we should be able to sell hamburgers with cyanide seasoning
and if you don't read the label and figure out its got cyanide in it
thats your own fault, nobody forced you to buy the toxic burger 
Yep, I should be allowed to sell hamburgers with cyanide seasoning, just like you should be allowed to eat them if you're dumb enough not to read the label. 
Personal responsibility's a bitch, ain't it?
whats even better, is this is the same quack who is ultra paranoid of the govt. controlling him, yet he is here asking for the govt to control what is and isn't sold, for his safety...though he will completely fail to see his own hypocrisy...
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Life Upon Death
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you guys are so full of shit
aspartame is sold because sugar makes us fat artificially flavoured products are often labeled "light" "low on calories"
its sold as the healthy alternative to sugar
and don't even try to dispute that because its just common sense
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Life Upon Death said: what if the word cyanide is in small print on the side of the label with no clear indication of it being toxic
thats not assisted suicide, its murder
Meh, so require warning labels on products that contain potentially toxic ingredients if you're that concerned about ignorant people who don't bother researching what they're putting in their mouth. I should still be allowed to buy and sell these products if I want to.
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: supra]
#11599190 - 12/06/09 08:44 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Life Upon Death said: by your logic we should be able to sell hamburgers with cyanide seasoning
and if you don't read the label and figure out its got cyanide in it
thats your own fault, nobody forced you to buy the toxic burger 
Yep, I should be allowed to sell hamburgers with cyanide seasoning, just like you should be allowed to eat them if you're dumb enough not to read the label. 
Personal responsibility's a bitch, ain't it?
whats even better, is this is the same quack who is ultra paranoid of the govt. controlling him, yet he is here asking for the govt to control what is and isn't sold, for his safety...though he will completely fail to see his own hypocrisy...
peace
why would I have a problem with the government assuring the sale of only healthy food?
they don't, but why would I have a problem with that kinda authority?
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future primitive said: MSG is a neurotoxin, potentially toxic to everyone.
I guess that's why humans have avoided eating meat for thousands of years..... Er, wait, what?
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and it's in THOUSANDS of products. there's something wrong with that.
Is it on the list of ingredients? If so, please elaborate on what exactly is wrong with that.
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: deCypher]
#11599198 - 12/06/09 08:45 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Life Upon Death said: what if the word cyanide is in small print on the side of the label with no clear indication of it being toxic
thats not assisted suicide, its murder
Meh, so require warning labels on products that contain potentially toxic ingredients if you're that concerned about ignorant people who don't bother researching what they're putting in their mouth. I should still be allowed to buy and sell these products if I want to.
ya and I should be able to beat you into a coma cause I walk around with a warning sign around my neck "if your reading this its too late"
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: supra]
#11599206 - 12/06/09 08:46 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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supra said: whats even better, is this is the same quack who is ultra paranoid of the govt. controlling him, yet he is here asking for the govt to control what is and isn't sold, for his safety...though he will completely fail to see his own hypocrisy...
If you make a youtube video about it he would
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I'm against any kind of coerced harm. Knowingly buying a product that specifies it contains toxic ingredients is anything but coerced.
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Life Upon Death said: what if the word cyanide is in small print on the side of the label with no clear indication of it being toxic
thats not assisted suicide, its murder
Meh, so require warning labels on products that contain potentially toxic ingredients if you're that concerned about ignorant people who don't bother researching what they're putting in their mouth. I should still be allowed to buy and sell these products if I want to.
ya and I should be able to beat you into a coma cause I walk around with a warning sign around my neck "if your reading this its too late"

so should we remove every kind of food from sale that anyone has an allergy to? As this is most definitely detrimental to their health, and, by your logic, it is being forced upon all of them...
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: supra]
#11599243 - 12/06/09 08:52 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Life Upon Death said: what if the word cyanide is in small print on the side of the label with no clear indication of it being toxic
thats not assisted suicide, its murder
Meh, so require warning labels on products that contain potentially toxic ingredients if you're that concerned about ignorant people who don't bother researching what they're putting in their mouth. I should still be allowed to buy and sell these products if I want to.
ya and I should be able to beat you into a coma cause I walk around with a warning sign around my neck "if your reading this its too late"

so should we remove every kind of food from sale that anyone has an allergy to? As this is most definitely detrimental to their health, and, by your logic, it is being forced upon all of them...
peace
selling a food that has allergic reaction potential is not the same as selling a proven to be poisonous chemical after doctoring study results and telling everyone is help them lose weight
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if people were honest about what they are selling, then poisonous chemicals would not be in food because people wouldn't buy it
thats the way the system SHOULD work but people are greedy fucking liars so that ain't gonna happen
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: deCypher]
#11599255 - 12/06/09 08:54 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm against any kind of coerced harm. Knowingly buying a product that specifies it contains toxic ingredients is anything but coerced.
not when the public is known to be uneducated
you act as if this isn't malicious and wrong
no dice dude, no fucking dice
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pretty sure asking the gov won't help, they approved it in the first place. obviously that isn't the solution.
it shouldn't be in anything called FOOD. period. if you're opinion is otherwise, it probably isn't based on anything that important, and you're probably a complete psycho.
yes, people are stupid. but do we really need to make it worse by attacking their brains with harmful chemicals by putting it in their FOOD? apparently the gov thinks YES.
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There's a difference between attacking people and allowing people to attack themselves
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Life Upon Death said: if people were honest about what they are selling, then poisonous chemicals would not be in food because people wouldn't buy it
Exactly; a hamburger stand that sold cyanide with their burgers would quickly go out of business. My point, however, is that if I want to purchase a hamburger with cyanide I should be able to; don't put me in prison for it.
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Life Upon Death said: not when the public is known to be uneducated
you act as if this isn't malicious and wrong
no dice dude, no fucking dice
Being ignorant and deciding to eat something when you could clearly look up that an ingredient is toxic is called being stupid, not being coerced. I'm not pointing a gun to your head and forcing you to eat it; it's your decision to, plain and simple. What's malicious and wrong is preventing two parties from undergoing a consensual business transaction that harms nobody else.
For all I know aspartame rots off your testicles; if it does then we should have verifiable studies that the public can look up that show this. Still, if I want to buy food that has aspartame in it then I should be able to.
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future primitive said: pretty sure asking the gov won't help, they approved it in the first place. obviously that isn't the solution.
it shouldn't be in anything called FOOD. period. if you're opinion is otherwise, it probably isn't based on anything that important, and you're probably a complete psycho.
yes, people are stupid. but do we really need to make it worse by attacking their brains with harmful chemicals by putting it in their FOOD? apparently the gov thinks YES.
its already expected that the new director(or whatever title) of the FDA is planning to ban it when she takes her position
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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Entropymancer]
#11599324 - 12/06/09 09:05 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Entropymancer said: There's a difference between attacking people and allowing people to attack themselves
then the government should fess up to what aspartame really is and its risks
with a widespread campaign of truth
it should contain a warning on the box, CLEARLY visible
like one of those hazard signs lol
they should even start putting little messages with horrible pictures of what can happen if you continue to use the product lol
if people want it that bad even after all that then they have that right
I just don't think anyones gonna want it anymore if they have the facts
thats why I'd support the ban
it would put a halt to production of something thats hurting people and I doubt anyone will give a shit
they will probably praise them for doing so
people should be told the facts and then be able to decide whats best for their country
thats what democracy is all about right?
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future primitive said: pretty sure asking the gov won't help, they approved it in the first place. obviously that isn't the solution.
it shouldn't be in anything called FOOD. period. if you're opinion is otherwise, it probably isn't based on anything that important, and you're probably a complete psycho.
yes, people are stupid. but do we really need to make it worse by attacking their brains with harmful chemicals by putting it in their FOOD? apparently the gov thinks YES.
so you want to attack people directly by calling them names and saying they don't base anything they say on anything important because they do not agree with you?...from what i can see, the only argument in here against the people crusading against aspartame is personal freedom...are you saying personal freedom is not important, and those that value it are stupid?
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Life Upon Death said: if people want it that bad even after all that then they have that right
I just don't think anyones gonna want it anymore if they have the facts
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Life Upon Death said: thats why I'd support the ban

A ban of aspartame may save lives but it also sacrifices our freedoms. I'll take liberty over a governmentally-enforced nanny state any day. Hell, why don't you also ban cars since millions of car accidents kill people every year? You'd be saving lives, right?
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