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How on Earth is aspartame AVAILABLE?? * 1
    #11582804 - 12/04/09 09:32 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I don't get it. With the overwhelming evidence that aspartame is a known carcinogen amongst other things how is it that this scourge still frequents can's of soda etc?

If you don't know what I mean by overwhelming evidence you can start learning from this video (thanks go to wiccan-seeker's signature.)



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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: dr_gonz]
    #11582820 - 12/04/09 09:37 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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I smoke aspartame :shrug:




Wiki aspartame

Melting point 246–247 °C
Boiling point decomposes


Please tell me your joking. What' the point?


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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: PassiveAgressive]
    #11582840 - 12/04/09 09:39 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

The fact that it's still on the market infuriates me!


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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: PassiveAgressive]
    #11582877 - 12/04/09 09:45 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

:kingcrankey: :rabble:  DOWN WITH ASPARTAME!!


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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: PassiveAgressive]
    #11582891 - 12/04/09 09:49 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Aspartame should be a schedule I substance by all accounts if you were to ask me (or most sane and educated people on the topic.)

Seriously people, WHY is this STILL legal?


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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: PassiveAgressive]
    #11582966 - 12/04/09 10:04 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

It makes sense, not sane but it still makes sense.


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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: PassiveAgressive]
    #11582971 - 12/04/09 10:04 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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:kingcrankey: :rabble:  DOWN WITH ASPARTAME!!




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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Gumby]
    #11588224 - 12/05/09 02:05 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't get it. With the overwhelming evidence that aspartame is a known carcinogen amongst other things how is it that this scourge still frequents can's of soda etc?

If you don't know what I mean by overwhelming evidence you can start learning from this video (thanks go to wiccan-seeker's signature.)






Why make it illegal? Do you like to tell people what they can and can not consume? Maybe we should just let people make their own choices instead of making it for them.



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I don't get it. With the overwhelming evidence that aspartame is a known carcinogen amongst other things how is it that this scourge still frequents can's of soda etc?

If you don't know what I mean by overwhelming evidence you can start learning from this video (thanks go to wiccan-seeker's signature.)







In small amounts it's not a problem. It's not biocumulative so your body gets rid of it. The real risk is people who drink diet drinks all day long. It's especially dangerous when pregnant women consume a lot of aspartame, not good for a developing fetus at all.

Edit: you know what pisses me off? When people with no formal education in biochemistry or science in general suddenly think they're a brilliant messenger of god because a youtube video (which was also made by a person with no science background) said something is bad. If you don't know what you're talking about, S T F U !




Redstorm, there's one reason it should be examined closely for consideration in removal from the shelves.

Gumby, I'm sorry I was your excuse to have a bad day. It really makes me feel bad for you.:hi:


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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: snoot]
    #11594091 - 12/06/09 01:46 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Wow, I love some of the responses. Some of you really are showing your true colors! Keep it coming boys and girls! :grin: This is better than Jerry Springer!! :lol:

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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: future primitive]
    #11603862 - 12/07/09 02:26 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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it's not a restriction of freedoms, it's refraining from putting known poisons in foods.

Its' also not pseudoscience, which is a word someone wanted to use in my "ratings" to sound smart. you aren't. you might be able to fool the majority, but you're not fooling me. I haven't insulted anyone. the fact that you're defending these substances speaks volumes about what kind of person you are. a) you're not very smart or b) you feel threatened by discussion and free thought.




:cheers: Well stated :cheers:


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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: FlickeryVision]
    #11604016 - 12/07/09 02:50 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I guess the luanuage I chose was mistaken. The fact that I used the word "legal" was obviously in error. I guess I took a lesson in sociology, psychology as well as linguistics. I would substitue the word "legal" with "available". I should edit that right now. :grin:


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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11608680 - 12/08/09 03:29 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

The buying of beer, cigarettes, marijuana, etc. are generally done with the dual understanding that 1) these products come along with clearly understood health risks; 2) these products impart some accepted and understood benefit to the user, measurable or otherwise 3)THEY ARE NOT FOOD ITEMS.  The benefit is not measurable in the case of beer and cigarettes but that does not take away from the known facts and the fact that children are barred from their consumption. Food is apparently omit from this safe-guard in our society. It's accepted by default to put known poisons into the food so long as they 1) substitute a natural product and 2) may kill gradually as opposed to acutely. This is sad.

Beer, cig's, MJ etc. all have a rather significant backing for their use, sale and pending or the maintenance of their possible and currant legalization. This seems the answer to my question. The answer is disenfranchisement, confusion, ignorance, greed, fear and ultimate laziness on the parts of the people. The people's failure to stand against the adding of little understood chemicals for the sake of preservation and dieting will continue on behalf of those reasons I mentioned (mainly default) and at this rate can only serve the government and allies in the long run.

This thread was an epic failure. Not only did it apparently anger some voices on the shroomery, it also seems to have confused some (my fault) and subsequently unleashed some rather vocal berserkers attacking me, each other, the internet, public broadcast and anything else unfortunately within their rational. This speaks on the broader audience of the Shroomery and especially it's moderation. Shit does roll downhill but must start nearer the top than bottom. Minor and easily addressed questions like the one I posed should NEVER pit friend on friend, ally on ally. If we know you're angry you fail, you're wrong in more ways than I care to write. You'll solve nothing and will embolden the opposition of your case nearly every time. This is a great tactic to use within your enemies camp, not within your own for God's sake.

Thanks to you all who added to this thread with some intelligent and well thought reply or another. No thanks to those who had a hand in this thread turning into something from the intestines of the OTD forum (no admonition of mine.) I've had enough, put this thread out of it's misery, it's suffering. :facepalm:


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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11608733 - 12/08/09 03:54 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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I guess the luanuage I chose was mistaken. The fact that I used the word "legal" was obviously in error. I guess I took a lesson in sociology, psychology as well as linguistics. I would substitue the word "legal" with "available". I should edit that right now. :grin:



I don't understand the difference.

You think that aspartame should be unavailable. The only way to achieve that is through legislative sanctions (read: making it illegal to sell aspartame-containing products on the open market).

You're still just another prohibitionist, advocating a breach of my civil liberty, and I'd appreciate it if you cut it out already.

You're free to forfeit your liberties if you so choose. You are not free to forfeit mine.

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I think it shouldnt be so readily used in our foods today but that has nothing to do with banning it.



Precisely.




I usually won't take the time to clear up simple issues like this, but in the case of a MOD I'm sorry, I cannot help but to correct you as it is my civil duty to correct MY authorities when they find themselves in need.

I NEVER STATED MY INTENTIONS ONCE, YOU HAVE DONE THAT FOR ME (this is known as power of attorney or in the case of non-consent, tyranny.) Yes, you as well as others have continually assumed what I mean by my words. Rarely have I been asked. This is also known as putting words in mouth. The title of this thread is followed by two question marks. I now realize that the confusion was not on my behalf. I guess I am fortunate the masses post in a hurry and post before me, lest I look like the fool.

After generalizing me (falsely) I should otherwise be more committed to the opposite of your goals, fortunately I have nary the time nor want, this is of no benefit to me and we are in the same camp. It would have taken but 5 seconds for you to look into my posts and gallery to decide what you stated as fact, quote;  "You're still just another prohibitionist," was obviously grossly mistaken. Before you again go off high on horse and decide to rip into others and wildly assume do make sure that you know what your speaking about.

If I was wrong in posting a question then you are more-so by the nature and manner of your response. This thread, again, began it's life as a question and was subsequently assumed as debate. If this is true then the rules of debate are to be adhered to and this thread needs to be moved accordingly. The Fallacies of Philosophical Debate.

As you go on to further defend your civil liberties, do make sure to at least remain "civil," or else where is the liberty?


Google define:liberty

Liberty; immunity from arbitrary exercise of authority: political independence





PS - Entropymancer- :grin: Should I shake the left jar yet?



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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: PassiveAgressive]
    #11608758 - 12/08/09 04:20 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Defending your genius. - Randy Gage.

It's short and worthy, please take the time to self educate. Take note of the "political in-fighting" comments, they are applicable here.

FYI - “Jealousy is the tribute mediocrity pays to genius” – Bishop Duncan Oldham

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In what is heard, there should be just the heard;
In what is sensed, there should be just the sensed;
In what is thought, there should be just the thought.

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Re: How on Earth is aspartame legal?? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11617023 - 12/09/09 01:22 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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My apologies for assuming you support prohibition.  You're right, it would have been wrong to make that assumption based on your question. But that was not my basis for making that assumption. Consider the following quotes:




This is not a life or death situation and I do not feel moved to engage with you on an finite points of our disagreement. I admit and apologize, I was in error and I won't further dissect your post(s). Let me maintain that I do not intentionally support the prohibition and you will have to forgive me my feelings, please allow me my humanity. I have empathy if this was not formerly clarified. Please just let it go.


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