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OfflineBig Bird

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Re: OFFICIAL TIMEWAVE ZERO THREAD [Re: piracetam]
    #11579341 - 12/03/09 09:19 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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I doubt it.
also look up: Calleman's theory.

mayans (not aztecs) came up with the idea well before both of these guys


*edit* it's all fun and good to conveniently lump a bunch of theories together, but again, the pineal gland lacks the enzymes necessary to produce DMT; this is why Strassman is the only researcher to ever hypothesize that dmt is produced by the pineal gland. This is also a good example of why you shouldn't always rely on Wiki (there is an entry connecting dmt production with the pineal gland, but doesn't reference the enzymes involved).




Where's the research that the pineal lacks the necessary enzymes to produce dmt? or 5 meo and bufo for that matter.
And obviously strassman is the only RESEARCHER to hypothesize it..hes like the only one allowed to research dmt. Many other see it as likely that the pineal can produce it.





if I have to point you in the right direction, it's either because you haven't bothered to look into it yourself, or you have no idea how metabolism works. Presti et. al (2004) reported that the mRNA transcripts for INMT expression are lacking in the brain : 

"A contemporary investigation, utilizing modern
genetic and structural techniques, has provided a
more detailed analysis of INMT, but does not pro-
vide a complete story. In two studies, Thompson
et al. [35,36], cloned, expressed, localized, and
characterized the activities of rabbit and human
INMT. Using Northern blot analysis, they found rab-
bit INMT transcripts expressed heavily in the lung,
moderately in the liver, and weakly in the brain. Hu-
man INMT was expressed in the lung, thyroid, adre-
nal gland, heart, muscle, and spinal cord, but not in
the brain. The authors observe high Km values (an
order of magnitude higher than in previous studies
[33,34]) of TYP for recombinant human INMT and
an absence of INMT mRNA transcripts in the brain.
Thus, Thompson et al. conclude that the production
of DMT in humans is not physiologically significant."


last I checked, the pineal gland is in the brain.
5-HIOMT is expressed in the human pineal gland (well established), INMT is not.

strassman was the only person allowed in the US to study DMT during the 90's, since then, others have studied it as well
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all~content=a713735722
http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0306987704005870
http://stke.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/sci;323/5916/934







Thanks for the info, even if you come off as a condescending asshole. Sorry i dont have such an in depth understanding of human metabolism like yourself. Anyway i said strassman is like the only person allowed to research dmt, and i meant that in the sense of researching its affect on humans, i dont think anyone else has injected people with it recently in a study and observed the effects but idk.

The info you posted raises one obvious question for me... Certainly strassman, and especially the other writers of inner paths to outer space would have been aware of this information(and Dmckenna who seems to have been somewhat involved if only influentially)before writing that book. Why then, four years after this info came out, would they right a book hypothesizing that the spontaneous release of dmt from the pineal gland may be responsible for a lot of paranormal phenomena like abduction experiences, and perhaps even religious experiences of the past and present? Wierd to say the least.. Especially since a person who did the phone chat thing with him was told he is writing another book on that subject.


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Re: OFFICIAL TIMEWAVE ZERO THREAD [Re: Big Bird]
    #11580259 - 12/03/09 11:38 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

sorry for coming off as an ass. I've argued with roganites who were so sure rogan was a genius, and that Strassman invented DMT,
but that's neither here nor there.

the biochemistry of it is esoteric, you won't see new age theories or metaphysical websites list every enzyme in a pathway. There's no shortage of webpages trying to piece together every theory to conveniently fit some elaborate puzzle of enlightenment, but there is a shortage of papers showing evidence that the pineal gland methylates endogenous tryptamine.


I have a lot of respect for the work Dr. Strassman has done, but his theory is not widely accepted, because it's very difficult (if not impossible) to detect dmt production in vivo; also, the isolation of the aformentioned enzymes tend to challenge the theory


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Re: OFFICIAL TIMEWAVE ZERO THREAD [Re: mastagata]
    #11580312 - 12/03/09 11:45 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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I believe terrence came up with Time Wave zero USING the I-ching as some sort of mathematical backbone

That's what I got from the invisible landscape. 

I think what you meant is that he didn't know about the mayans 2012 thing and that is true yes.




You are correct about both things.

The idea is that there was somekind of of meaning in the i-ching that was lost at some point. Its supposebly a way of measuring time via bursts of novelty.


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Re: OFFICIAL TIMEWAVE ZERO THREAD [Re: shadyy]
    #11580522 - 12/04/09 12:21 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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mastagata said:
I believe terrence came up with Time Wave zero USING the I-ching as some sort of mathematical backbone

That's what I got from the invisible landscape. 

I think what you meant is that he didn't know about the mayans 2012 thing and that is true yes.




You are correct about both things.

The idea is that there was somekind of of meaning in the i-ching that was lost at some point. Its supposebly a way of measuring time via bursts of novelty.




There's alot more to it than that but its hard to comprehend it all and even talk about it, the invisible landscape is really complex.. I did read an interview with dennis where he said that what terence probably discovered was that it was some sort of lunar calender i think.

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i've been having this strange feeling lately
kinda like i'm under the influence when i'm not
strange thoughts too

I feel the same way as far as I think anything is possible and I'm open to all ideas.
Whether I believe them or not I always consider it a possibility because you never know.

Interesting theory.




I agree, hopefully without sounding outrageously new ageish. Things have been extremely synchronatically wierd for me lately as well and many i know in trips and more and more so in everyday reality, like that world is impinging into ours. Unrealdreams synchronicity telepathy dmt like experiences without drugs all these things are happening more and more.

A lot of people seem to feel this way. You can be skeptical or brush it off but its still there..is it related to the timewave and some sort of technological attractor of some sort in the future? who fucking knows.


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Re: OFFICIAL TIMEWAVE ZERO THREAD [Re: piracetam]
    #11580573 - 12/04/09 12:29 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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piracetam said:
sorry for coming off as an ass. I've argued with roganites who were so sure rogan was a genius, and that Strassman invented DMT,
but that's neither here nor there.

the biochemistry of it is esoteric, you won't see new age theories or metaphysical websites list every enzyme in a pathway. There's no shortage of webpages trying to piece together every theory to conveniently fit some elaborate puzzle of enlightenment, but there is a shortage of papers showing evidence that the pineal gland methylates endogenous tryptamine.


I have a lot of respect for the work Dr. Strassman has done, but his theory is not widely accepted, because it's very difficult (if not impossible) to detect dmt production in vivo; also, the isolation of the aformentioned enzymes tend to challenge the theory





People get all excited to hear rogan talking about dmt on youtube. I'll recommend to them people like wilson borroughs mckenna watts and they'll loose interest immediately at the thought of learning something that isn't "cool". God i hate to say it but Raw is largely right "We've successfully created an entire generation of people who not only know nothing, but don't want to know anything." Maybe i'm just saying this because my roommate is on myspace while watching tv blaring rap, and thinks i'm insane....ok maybe there is SOME good rap around.


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Re: OFFICIAL TIMEWAVE ZERO THREAD [Re: Big Bird]
    #11580597 - 12/04/09 12:33 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Pretty sick of the 2012 thing, literally heard every prediction based of off no hard evidence what so ever.


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Re: OFFICIAL TIMEWAVE ZERO THREAD [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #11581135 - 12/04/09 02:11 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I too have been feeling weird things. That's the best I can describe it. I've experienced alot of it during tripping, but that's entirely reasonable, I've experienced everything you can experience tripping while sober, just not anywhere near that degree.

The main 'symptom' (since we're assuming this is a virus) is basically just feeling that things are off. When I analyze things it all seems normal, but there's a part of me that is convinced there is something wrong with either me or the world, or perhaps both. My other prominent symptoms are a visual change, can't exactly say how, it's kind of like it's hard to focus, pressure on my forehead, not painful though (third eye?), a lack of appetite (very possibly due to a modest cutback on my pot consumption beginning this week), sometimes a feeling of increased empathy for others, the desire to make people happy, restlessness and irritability. It comes and goes in intensity, but it hasn't gone away completely, at least that I can recall, since it started, which I believe was Monday. Oh, and another big thing is I've lost alot of interest in things, even smoking pot oddly, not in a depressed kind of way, but more so that I'm often too concerned thinking about this stuff to focus enough to enjoy things.

Now I've also experienced this before, I call it anxiety. The symptoms fit perfectly and maybe I'm deluding myself but I'd rather it be anxiety than a monumental shift in consciousness across the entire world/universe, so that is what I sought out, a medical explanation. Now someone in a similar situation who wants a monumental event to happen, I could very much see them attributing it to that, which it seems alot of you have.

I'm not arguing, I don't believe you are wrong, I believe it's more than likely you're wrong, but I have no idea and albeit extremely unlikely in my mind, I'm open to that possibility. What I'm getting at is that I'm just trying to open your mind to other possibilities, and you seem to be making a lot of assumptions about McKenna's theories, have you tried debunking it? Whenever I believe something to be true, or especially if I want it to be true I don't read up on the theory or w/e, I read up on the naysayers of it.


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Re: OFFICIAL TIMEWAVE ZERO THREAD [Re: piracetam]
    #11581368 - 12/04/09 03:03 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

"last I checked, the pineal gland is in the brain"

Actually the pineal gland may be Physically in the brain but is not part of the brain.

"Unlike much of the rest of the mammalian brain, the pineal gland is not isolated from the body by the blood-brain barrier system"

Theoretically this could give access to the missing INMT. I'm not saying this is certain but worth considering.


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Re: OFFICIAL TIMEWAVE ZERO THREAD [Re: Istigkeit]
    #11581407 - 12/04/09 03:15 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Saw the big block of text and thought "I bet quantum is mentioned somewhere in there".  Did a ctrl-f and sure enough - bam, there it is.  :lol:

As for the subject, I think its a bunch of nonsense carefully presented as though it has substance.


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Re: OFFICIAL TIMEWAVE ZERO THREAD [Re: DieCommie]
    #11581574 - 12/04/09 04:00 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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I think its a bunch of nonsense carefully presented as though it has substance.



qft.  But what do i know, i'm just a menace to society who is better off dead in a gutter some where.


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Re: OFFICIAL TIMEWAVE ZERO THREAD [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #11582556 - 12/04/09 10:22 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Finagindog said:
"last I checked, the pineal gland is in the brain"

Actually the pineal gland may be Physically in the brain but is not part of the brain.

"Unlike much of the rest of the mammalian brain, the pineal gland is not isolated from the body by the blood-brain barrier system"

Theoretically this could give access to the missing INMT. I'm not saying this is certain but worth considering.




worth considering, if it wasn't inhibited

"A potent inhibitor of INMT, which is a necessary enzyme for the synthesis of DMT and 5-MeO-DMT, is found in particularly high concentrations in the pineal gland. (Strassman 1990)."


there certainly is a lack of evidence supporting the alternative hypothesis, but no shortage of speculation;
which is all fun and good, even if it isn't very plausible.


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Re: OFFICIAL TIMEWAVE ZERO THREAD [Re: DieCommie]
    #11582735 - 12/04/09 11:16 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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DieCommie said:

As for the subject, I think its a bunch of nonsense carefully presented as though it has substance.




I don't commit my belief fully to anything really and try to keep an open mind to all possibilities but I honestly highly doubt that was the McKenna's intentions when writing the invisible landscape. That is, to simply swindle us into believing a bunch of good looking nonsense. Their actions since then don't seem to support that either, but then again i could be wrong.


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Re: OFFICIAL TIMEWAVE ZERO THREAD [Re: Big Bird]
    #11582896 - 12/04/09 11:50 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The Maya did not ever say anything about the year 2012, nor does their calendar end in 2012. There is nothing in Mayan writing about 2012. The Mayan dating system was designed to account for 97 million+ years, and the large majority of those years are left.

December of 2012 is the end of the Current Long Count of 5200 360-day years. This Long Count began in 3114 B.C. It is the second Long Count in a series of seventy-two. There's something like 300,000 years left in the current Era, and even then, there are 260 Eras in this cycle. That's a lot of years. December of 2012 is a tiny tick in the Mayan Calendar System.

The Maya, do, however, have a MUCH more significant 'prophesy' that is supposed to come to fruition on October 24 of 2011. If it does, it will be much more important than an apocalypse.


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Re: OFFICIAL TIMEWAVE ZERO THREAD [Re: shadyy]
    #11583957 - 12/04/09 03:33 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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shadyy said:
i've been having this strange feeling lately
kinda like i'm under the influence when i'm not
strange thoughts too

I feel the same way as far as I think anything is possible and I'm open to all ideas.
Whether I believe them or not I always consider it a possibility because you never know.

Interesting theory.



That's exactly how I've been feeling all this week so far. A bunch of other people I know have gotten really sick too.


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Re: OFFICIAL TIMEWAVE ZERO THREAD [Re: morrowasted]
    #11583962 - 12/04/09 03:34 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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The Maya did not ever say anything about the year 2012, nor does their calendar end in 2012. There is nothing in Mayan writing about 2012. The Mayan dating system was designed to account for 97 million+ years, and the large majority of those years are left.

December of 2012 is the end of the Current Long Count of 5200 360-day years. This Long Count began in 3114 B.C. It is the second Long Count in a series of seventy-two. There's something like 300,000 years left in the current Era, and even then, there are 260 Eras in this cycle. That's a lot of years. December of 2012 is a tiny tick in the Mayan Calendar System.

The Maya, do, however, have a MUCH more significant 'prophesy' that is supposed to come to fruition on October 24 of 2011. If it does, it will be much more important than an apocalypse.



Please elaborate. This is very interesting, as Terence's original prediction was a couple months before 2012.


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Re: OFFICIAL TIMEWAVE ZERO THREAD [Re: piracetam]
    #11583965 - 12/04/09 03:36 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

Finagindog said:
"last I checked, the pineal gland is in the brain"

Actually the pineal gland may be Physically in the brain but is not part of the brain.

"Unlike much of the rest of the mammalian brain, the pineal gland is not isolated from the body by the blood-brain barrier system"

Theoretically this could give access to the missing INMT. I'm not saying this is certain but worth considering.




worth considering, if it wasn't inhibited

"A potent inhibitor of INMT, which is a necessary enzyme for the synthesis of DMT and 5-MeO-DMT, is found in particularly high concentrations in the pineal gland. (Strassman 1990)."


there certainly is a lack of evidence supporting the alternative hypothesis, but no shortage of speculation;
which is all fun and good, even if it isn't very plausible.



Whatever the source, we do know that DMT is in the human body. It's easier to make a list of where DMT is not, than where it is.


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Re: OFFICIAL TIMEWAVE ZERO THREAD [Re: Shady Obscurity]
    #11583996 - 12/04/09 03:41 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Istigkeit said:
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im fucked if i die in 2012 i will be 25 thats BS, i gotta make it to 50



:facepalm:




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Re: OFFICIAL TIMEWAVE ZERO THREAD [Re: 1200 Micrograms]
    #11584103 - 12/04/09 04:00 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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im fucked if i die in 2012 i will be 25 thats BS, i gotta make it to 50



:facepalm:




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Re: OFFICIAL TIMEWAVE ZERO THREAD [Re: Istigkeit]
    #11584998 - 12/04/09 06:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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shadyy said:
i've been having this strange feeling lately
kinda like i'm under the influence when i'm not
strange thoughts too

I feel the same way as far as I think anything is possible and I'm open to all ideas.
Whether I believe them or not I always consider it a possibility because you never know.

Interesting theory.





Wow. Amazing. Strange vibrations. I'm REALLY feeling like this right now. Wonderful... and strange. I had some amphetamines and caffeine, which I take almost everyday, but beside that completely sober.


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Re: OFFICIAL TIMEWAVE ZERO THREAD [Re: Istigkeit]
    #11585070 - 12/04/09 07:01 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Shit I am in college for biomedical engineering at the moment and When I get out i am sure some virus engineering could happen. I could make one that converts Melatonin produced by the pineal gland into DMT in the body...  :evil: hehehe


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