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Keeky Toe
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Re: debating value of grow kit purchase [Re: Keeky Toe]
#11565175 - 12/01/09 06:58 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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dude first off never buy something from someone that you can do or build better yourself, second all those fancy ass do this and it will grow that shit is junk and overpriced and anyone selling that shit is a scam artist... just do a little research... on here...
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Re: debating value of grow kit purchase [Re: Keeky Toe]
#11565190 - 12/01/09 06:59 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Keeky Toe said: Hi. I'm newish. I know some stuff, not much, and my concern at the moment is fruiting chamber-orientated (wink). I bought a kit online that has no humidifyer. It's a deal where you float one plastic container on top of another thats filled with water heated with an aquarium heater. It seems like they were raving about it. But then later I read other people online talking about how a humidifyer is necessary for good CO2 exchange. I got confused. That happens a lot. Anyway, to get to the point there is water dripping on the cakes and the mushrooms and that f's them up. It didn't seem like this was happening when I opened the container daily but when I went out of town for a few days the shrooms looked water-logged by drippings when I got back. You shouldn't have to open it daily, right? what do you think about this kind of fruiting chamber set up? Is it a good one or not?
first of all, kit suck. you dont need any heat of any kind if your house is over 70f. The water that drip on the shroom is fine cus it should dry out when you fan then.
And yes I fan and mist mine like 7-8 time per day and thats when im working.
as for the humidity, perlite is the thing.
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Re: debating value of grow kit purchase [Re: Keeky Toe]
#11565192 - 12/01/09 06:59 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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ah the myco dome your best bet is to toss it watch these http://www.mushroomvideos.com/ BRF tek 1-4 put your cakes in the shotgun fruiting chamber and hope for the best sorry its not what you wanted to hear but ist your best bet
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not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.
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noobieshroomie said: ah the myco dome your best bet is to toss it watch these http://www.mushroomvideos.com/ BRF tek 1-4 put your cakes in the shotgun fruiting chamber and hope for the best sorry its not what you wanted to hear but ist your best bet
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there should be a post-it that say don't buy kit they suck, lol
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Re: debating value of grow kit purchase [Re: Thyrax]
#11565295 - 12/01/09 07:10 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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agreed
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CapZilla said:
not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.
Citric said:
Your signature is wrong on colonization temps!
GOOD JUDGMENT COMES FROM EXPERIENCE
EXPERIENCE COMES FROM BAD JUDGMENT
ROOM TEMP 70-75 IS BEST FOR COLONIZATION
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Keeky Toe
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Thanks I appreciate it. OK so to take things in order, first I buy kit online. Later I discover cool website that tells me kit is a waste of time. D'oh!! Now I have to start all over.. I'm going to need a heater though it is cold in my house, not above 70. OK I'm going to watch all the videos and stuff and go to shroom school Love ya
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Re: debating value of grow kit purchase [Re: Keeky Toe]
#11565758 - 12/01/09 08:02 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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how cold is it in your house? a small heater from wally world in your grow room/incubation room is more than enough to put it up to 70 usually. I use oscilating heaters hooked up to a third party temp control devices originally designed for a reptile terrarium, with a little bit of tweaking ive got it down to where my closets and room are at an ambeint 75 anywhere in the room. (except directly infront of the heater:=)
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Re: debating value of grow kit purchase [Re: Montock]
#11565862 - 12/01/09 08:13 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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My room temperature is 66 and I have absolutely no problem at all. You can also buy spores here, I recommend ralphsters and if you mention the strain of the month you get a free syringe.
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Re: debating value of grow kit purchase [Re: Montock]
#11565994 - 12/01/09 08:29 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Montock said: how cold is it in your house? a small heater from wally world in your grow room/incubation room is more than enough to put it up to 70 usually. I use oscilating heaters hooked up to a third party temp control devices originally designed for a reptile terrarium, with a little bit of tweaking ive got it down to where my closets and room are at an ambeint 75 anywhere in the room. (except directly infront of the heater:=)
yeah honestly you'd better invest in some kind of way to heat your house or at least the room where you grow. So that way all you colonizing jar and all you fc are at the right temp.
The best Fruiting chamber tek is the shotgun terrarium so make some research on this. Look also for pf-tek wich is a good begginer tek for making tek, good luck!
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Re: debating value of grow kit purchase [Re: Keeky Toe]
#11566017 - 12/01/09 08:32 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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it looks like the only thing that's different about the shotgun terrarium as oppossed to the one I bought is that the shotgun has a bunch of holes drilled in it. I'm using perlite also. And I'm using an air pump. So if the holes are the only real difference why don't I just drill holes in the terrarium I bought? And why didn't the people who made it? also, though like I said I need a heater of some kind this part of the house stays cold in the winter.
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Re: debating value of grow kit purchase [Re: Keeky Toe]
#11566040 - 12/01/09 08:36 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Keeky Toe said: it looks like the only thing that's different about the shotgun terrarium as oppossed to the one I bought is that the shotgun has a bunch of holes drilled in it. I'm using perlite also. And I'm using an air pump. So if the holes are the only real difference why don't I just drill holes in the terrarium I bought? And why didn't the people who made it? also, though like I said I need a heater of some kind this part of the house stays cold in the winter.
whats different in the shotgun is the way to use it. air pump can be a good ad-on but you don't realy need it. Just mist and fan you cake at least a few time per day and you'll get good result.
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Hey..so I am a Newbie too; I was going to buy a grow kit from magicmushrooms.org (off the sponsor list) its the home grow kit for 99.00 euros (bout 150.00 us). The link is: http://www.mrcashop.org/mushroom_shop/mushroom-home-grow-p-41.html My only question is absolutely ALL homegrow kits including this one just a rip off? or is it that you can just do it cheaper? money is really not that big of deal for me at the moment so I thought it would be an easier way since all this seems complicated and new to me. Please let me know what you think. Thank you
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Re: debating value of grow kit purchase [Re: Keeky Toe]
#11566065 - 12/01/09 08:38 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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So it's not a good idea to float the terrarium on heated water? What if there were holes in the terraium just not on the bottom?
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Re: debating value of grow kit purchase [Re: Keeky Toe]
#11566074 - 12/01/09 08:39 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Keeky Toe said: why don't I just drill holes in the terrarium I bought?
Use it as-is first, then see what you need to do to make it work. Good practice.
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Keeky Toe said: And why didn't the people who made it?
That would take all the fun out of it.
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Re: debating value of grow kit purchase [Re: Keeky Toe]
#11566084 - 12/01/09 08:41 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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the hole on the botom are the key of the shotgun. Air flow that will come from under will bring the humidity to the surface wich will give you a good rh as well as enough fresh air. Still need to mist and fan for optimal result
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Re: debating value of grow kit purchase [Re: Keeky Toe]
#11566085 - 12/01/09 08:41 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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do not buy any kits ever ever ever make it yourself
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CapZilla said:
not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.
Citric said:
Your signature is wrong on colonization temps!
GOOD JUDGMENT COMES FROM EXPERIENCE
EXPERIENCE COMES FROM BAD JUDGMENT
ROOM TEMP 70-75 IS BEST FOR COLONIZATION
Thank you mycochef
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noobieshroomie said: do not buy any kits ever ever ever make it yourself
-noobie-
You'll learn about 100x more. And by understanding how it works, you can do it again if you want to instead of buying another kit.
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noobieshroomie said: do not buy any kits ever ever ever make it yourself
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Agreed, most kits are sold by scum bags taking advantage of uneducated individuals who wish to be self suffiecient, "cough Creeper from Canada F!@#$%!$#%, cough cough"
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Re: Ralphsters. How do you know what is the strain of the month?
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Re: debating value of grow kit purchase [Re: Keeky Toe]
#11568636 - 12/02/09 08:56 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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-------------------- AMU
Best Thread Ever
CapZilla said:
not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.
Citric said:
Your signature is wrong on colonization temps!
GOOD JUDGMENT COMES FROM EXPERIENCE
EXPERIENCE COMES FROM BAD JUDGMENT
ROOM TEMP 70-75 IS BEST FOR COLONIZATION
Thank you mycochef
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I recently decided to buy my own supplies at the local wally-world and ended up spending about $300 (so im comulsive...) with a pressure cooker, hepa filter and bunch of stuff I thought I might need (Jars, cleaning/sterilization supplies, lighting, tank heater/air pump, several bins ect.). So in a sense I probably could have used a little direction, but all the supplies are available at walmart and youre probably going to have to stop by there to get a few odds and ends anyway. My advice is to find a kit you like, make a product list and check prices at WM or Ebay.
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Re: debating value of grow kit purchase [Re: jlleeuga]
#11569137 - 12/02/09 10:46 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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A lot of people just don't care to learn the science of growing. They want everything provided to them with step-by-step, idiot-proof instructions.
For the life of me, I don't know what they'd be so busy doing that learning a little would be too much work... but for whatever reason, those people do exist, and they're willing to pay more for a kit than to save money and learn.
Kits aren't there to take advantage of the uneducated.... they're there to make money from those who prefer laziness.
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Re: debating value of grow kit purchase [Re: jlleeuga]
#11569170 - 12/02/09 10:53 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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OK I have everything I need at this point and I'm going to try the shotgun terrarium. Lucky for me I also have a dozen jars nearing full colonization. I have 2 concerns. 1. I go out of town a lot. So, instead of airing out the terrarium a couple times a day how about if I hook up my air pump thingie. Will that suffice for a few days if I'm not there to tend terrarium? 2. I live in a funky small house only part of the house can be heated in the wintertime. The best place to put the terrarium is on this rack which is like 4 or 5 feet above the floor vent where heat comes out. Would you say this is exceptable? I'm concerned about dry, hot air from a dusty floor vent wafting up from below the terrarium.
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Re: debating value of grow kit purchase [Re: Keeky Toe]
#11569185 - 12/02/09 10:56 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Keeky Toe said: ? I'm concerned about dry, hot air from a dusty floor vent wafting up from below the terrarium.
Completely non-optimal, especially if you leave for days at a time.
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Re: debating value of grow kit purchase [Re: Doc_T]
#11569247 - 12/02/09 11:08 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Non-optimal. Sorry for being a simpleton, did you just say this location for my shotgun is a bad idea?
And what about the air pump on days I can't tend the terrarium, is that a good idea?
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Re: debating value of grow kit purchase [Re: Sillicybin]
#11569263 - 12/02/09 11:11 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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i'm new...been at this 3 months. have done every combination of TEC aside from augar and building a flo hood...lol. so far i'm about 60 bucks deep for hardwere and 35 in for verm and perl and moss, couple bags of rice, rhy from the brew store and bird seed. PC and jars and i was off...with ideas from here, as i herd said "if you dont know how to drive, don't borrow a car by yourself" point being, make your own thing...much is not said in TEK that is designed for modification. they are that way for a reason. pony up and do 1 TEC to compleation. then mix and match and fiddle. conditions are different and people too. be the thing you are growing. like i say, been here 3 months and have had astounding success due to the calm and understanding folks. a lot of the important things i read were years old, thanks to the mods for keeping it available.
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Re: debating value of grow kit purchase [Re: Keeky Toe]
#11569353 - 12/02/09 11:31 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Keeky Toe said: Non-optimal. Sorry for being a simpleton, did you just say this location for my shotgun is a bad idea?
I was saying it would totally suck. Sorry.
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Keeky Toe said: And what about the air pump on days I can't tend the terrarium, is that a good idea?
Sub-optimal. By which I mean, it's better than nothing.
Edit- if the airflow in the room is good, then the pump really is only there to help provide humidity. Which the perlite should do by itself. So you'd probably be better off to run a humidifier in the room vs an airpump under the perlite. You'd be more comfortable too- moist air is warmer and feels nicer.
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Re: debating value of grow kit purchase [Re: Sillicybin]
#11622067 - 12/10/09 08:44 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sillicybin said: A lot of people just don't care to learn the science of growing. They want everything provided to them with step-by-step, idiot-proof instructions.
For the life of me, I don't know what they'd be so busy doing that learning a little would be too much work... but for whatever reason, those people do exist, and they're willing to pay more for a kit than to save money and learn.
Kits aren't there to take advantage of the uneducated.... they're there to make money from those who prefer laziness.
I rather think your generalization to be inaccurate. I don't think that it is from laziness, but more for the sake simplicity. If someone where to say "heres a kit that will help you be more successful in earlier stages of your life..."; would you not accept it? Granted I concede to the fact that many online places rip off the under educated. The kit is not the crutch; its the people.
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Srching4Reality said: I rather think your generalization to be inaccurate. I don't think that it is from laziness, but more for the sake simplicity.
It is very much a generalization; I also do concede that not everyone would actually think that growing is as enjoyable as I and many others here think it is... But those who choose to do the minimum possible amount of learning and choose to seek the shortest possible path to getting high are the ones that I would call lazy.
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Re: debating value of grow kit purchase [Re: Sillicybin]
#11680604 - 12/19/09 12:37 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yet perception is not reality.
But thanks to this thread I've decided to start out simple and get some education.
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