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OfflineGazzBut
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USA guilty of aiding terror
    #1156419 - 12/19/02 10:35 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

On BBC news this morning they were discussing Iraq's weapons declaration. Apparently there are 24 American companies listed as supplying goods and equipment for use in the production of WMD in Iraq. Makes you wonder how many ties to America were mentioned in the 9000 odd pages that the US decided was not suitable to be read by the rest of the world. That probabaly contained all the companies who were still selling to Iraq after the sanctions were in place.


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Re: USA guilty of aiding terror [Re: GazzBut]
    #1158970 - 12/20/02 09:07 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

US makes the best weapons.

Is that a bad thing?


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Re: USA guilty of aiding terror [Re: ehud]
    #1159851 - 12/21/02 10:01 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

In the words of a wise scot..."Sell to them the killing gem, attack to get it back"


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Re: USA guilty of aiding terror [Re: GazzBut]
    #1162494 - 12/22/02 03:40 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Gazz...the gig is up. Nobody is going to look at this stuff anymore because it's too damn obviouse how fucked things are. I listen to BBC too but the presidential noise overhere is too loud for people to actually hear what's going on......


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Re: USA guilty of aiding terror [Re: GazzBut]
    #1162889 - 12/22/02 06:04 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

hmm like that quote  :wink:  I guess your right too.  We make millions selling weapons to countries and eventualy the weapons get into the wrong hands.  so it takes millions to fight against our own weapons which we have made money on in the first place.  I guess if it was all about money this cycle would be easy, just make more than you loose.  Too bad there are lots of human lives at stake.   


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Re: USA guilty of aiding terror [Re: GazzBut]
    #1163465 - 12/22/02 10:45 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I believe they bought the two heavy water reactors from France and the chemical manufacturing components mainly from european companies. They bought the "sewage pipes", intended for the anti-Israel cannon, from UK (although they were never delivered).
Iraq did their best trying to hide their intentions when they went shopping, and managed to get what they needed from both European and American manufacturers. I think it's a bit unfair to blame the Iraqi mass destruction capabilities on the americans.

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Re: USA guilty of aiding terror [Re: Zimzum]
    #1163480 - 12/22/02 11:04 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Iraq did their best trying to hide their intentions when they went shopping

I don't think people are really that innocent. When you order "sewerage pipes" built to gun tolerance levels it's kinda obvious what it's for.

Through the 80's the americans were shipping poison gas, helping biological research and the Iraq nuclear programme. After the Halabja gassing in 1988 Bush defended Saddam and said it was probably the Iranians who'd done it. Then he approved a billion dollar loan to Saddam the year after. Human rights really arn't what it's about.


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Re: USA guilty of aiding terror [Re: Zimzum]
    #1163518 - 12/22/02 11:52 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

There were also 15 UK comapnies listed. We have knowingly sold them their weapons capabilities and now we are going to start a war because they have the weapons that we've sold them.


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Re: USA guilty of aiding terror [Re: ehud]
    #1163883 - 12/23/02 06:21 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Ehud, you are exactly right, the weapons get in the wrong hands all the time, just look at Israel and their irresponsibility. You say "Too bad there are human lives at stake" yet you have advocated ETHNIC CLEANSING.


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Re: USA guilty of aiding terror [Re: Buddha5254]
    #1164778 - 12/23/02 11:54 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Your ETHNIC CLEANSING posts are getting tedious. How about giving the rest of us a break?


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Re: USA guilty of aiding terror [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1164835 - 12/23/02 12:35 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Your ETHNIC CLEANSING posts are getting tedious. How about giving the rest of us a break? 


I agree, but its funny cause I feel the same way about your link to the NRA. :smirk:


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Re: USA guilty of aiding terror [Re: Xlea321]
    #1164838 - 12/23/02 12:36 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

Through the 80's the americans were shipping poison gas, helping biological research and the Iraq nuclear programme.



From what I know Iraq made their own gas, with equipment bought mainly from europe (they bought a small plant suitable for mustard gas production from "Karl Kolb" -Germany, they bought 500 tons of mustard gas precursors from a belgian company).
What part of the nuclear programme was aided by americans? The american government does not help other countries to manufacture plutonium nor do they provide the know how in A-bomb construction. It is too risky.

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Re: USA guilty of aiding terror [Re: Zimzum]
    #1164855 - 12/23/02 12:46 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

nor do they provide the know how in A-bomb construction. It is too risky.



Yeah, they just allow information leaks. Remember Los Alamos? Ahhhhh the good old days.


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Re: USA guilty of aiding terror [Re: Skikid16]
    #1164907 - 12/23/02 01:13 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

...yeah, I saw that on TV, quite weird stuff.(...if you mean knowingly letting spies go, blaming everything on the Rosenbergs)
It is quite easy to manufacture poisonous gas, you can buy the equipment from a number of companies.
Making nuclear weapons is different, it takes time and money + you have to do everything yourself.

Z


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Re: USA guilty of aiding terror [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1164956 - 12/23/02 01:47 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

getting tedious? interesting choice of words. I will not let that issue rest, Ehud in his own words advocated ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and that is abhorrent and dispicable and everyone should know what he really is.


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Re: USA guilty of aiding terror [Re: Buddha5254]
    #1165019 - 12/23/02 02:20 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

The point is, regardless of people's beliefs, I don't think anyone on these boards are orchestrating a genocide at this moment. It seems ridiculous to keep kicking that dead horse. If you really do have a problem with ehud, PM him, discuss, listen, and learn. But dragging it out in a public forum seems somewhat tiresome and pointless. I hear your point, but I heard it the first time, and don't need a constant reminder.


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Re: USA guilty of aiding terror [Re: Skikid16]
    #1165314 - 12/23/02 05:20 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Ok, fair enough, point taken. I wont do it anymore.


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Re: USA guilty of aiding terror [Re: Buddha5254]
    #1165385 - 12/23/02 05:51 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Thank you.


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Re: USA guilty of aiding terror [Re: Buddha5254]
    #1165511 - 12/23/02 06:49 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

getting under your skin makes it all worth while. Happy Hanukah Buddha



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Re: USA guilty of aiding terror [Re: Buddha5254]
    #1165838 - 12/23/02 08:58 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Wait, could you explain ethnic cleansing again... I seemed to have missed what you were talking about. ... :wink:


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