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    #1156055 - 12/19/02 08:14 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)



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    #1156095 - 12/19/02 08:34 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Hi Myco! :smile:

No, I don't see any indication that you are trying to get drugs. :wink:

But I have my eye on you. :wink:

Nice thread.  I'll let a few of the others answer first.

Cheers,


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    #1156137 - 12/19/02 08:52 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

This is an intersting thought, and one that I have pondered before. I guess there is no way to really know whether or not others perceive things the same way that you do, but for the most part I think we do.

The color thing, for example... Have you ever gone to the eye doctor and had the test for color-blindness done? They show you a picture made up of a bunch of little colored dots, and you have to read the number in the middle. If different people perceived colors in different ways, don't you think that test wouldn't work at all?


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    #1156166 - 12/19/02 08:57 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)



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    #1156180 - 12/19/02 09:02 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)



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    #1156261 - 12/19/02 09:26 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I understand exactly what you mean with the colors...

If you don't like the color-blindness test example, then what about this:

Books usually have black ink on white paper. Now, what if what I called white was still white, but what I called black was actually yellow. Don't you think that I would have a hard time reading books?


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    #1156275 - 12/19/02 09:31 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)



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    #1156357 - 12/19/02 10:06 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

??????

Sorry.... I thought I understood.


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    #1156394 - 12/19/02 10:21 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)



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    #1156397 - 12/19/02 10:22 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

Books usually have black ink on white paper. Now, what if what I called white was still white, but what I called black was actually yellow. Don't you think that I would have a hard time reading books?




I thought about this before, I don't think you would have a hard time reading as that is what you know to be normal. i.e. You learnt it that way.

Could it be a physical thing? What I learned to be yellow, could be blue to you. If it is a physical thing (maybe the arrangement of the rods and cones in the eye) then an eye transplant would reveal it. But I'm not going to volunteer!


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    #1156406 - 12/19/02 10:27 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)



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    #1156462 - 12/19/02 10:52 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah... It makes sense. I don't understand why my examples don't make sense to you, though. Here's another one:

Stop signs are red with white writing because that makes them very easy to see. What if what we both called "red," I actually saw as "white." And what we both called "white" I actually saw as "yellow." This would mean that even though I would call stop signs red with white writing, I would perceive them as being white with yellow writing, which would be very hard to read (like in the book example).

Now, of course I would still know it was a stop sign and I would know to stop because I would have learned it that way and thought it was normal. But wouldn't I think it was weird that stop signs were really hard to read? Don't you think there would be people writing to politicians and stuff saying "stop signs should not be red and white because they are too difficult to read?"

And how 'bout this for another example:

We learn that some animals have bright colors to warn their would-be predators that they are poisonous/not good to eat. The red-spotted newt (Notophthalmus viridescens), for example, is a very bright orange color with yellow spots on its back and is highly toxic if ingested.

What if what we both called "orange," I saw as "gray." Wouldn't I wonder what the hell my teacher was talking about when she said that animals use bright colors to warn their predators? "Gray" (even though I would still call it orange) is not a bright color! Students everywhere would feel deceived and be asking their professors if they were all right in the head.

Now do you see what I'm saying?


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    #1156471 - 12/19/02 10:57 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Hey, I'm sure most people feel like that at some point in their life. Don't let it get you down. :grin:

If the idea of different people seeing colours differently interests you, try looking up a phenomenon called "synethsthesia", it'll blow your mind... IIRC, it's where people perceive different colours as sounds and see different shapes with the same colour "highlighted" with a different colour (it's somewhat difficult to explain). Some people are born with it, others experience it on high doses of good acid, and preumably if you took enough shrooms, too... :laugh: 


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    #1156510 - 12/19/02 11:11 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I think what you pointed out in your examples is actually how colour blindness manifests itself. if red and white appeared as (say) red and orange to me, this would be picked up in a colour test consisting of white and orange. Being unable to distinguish between the two, I would fail the test (I think colour blindness is usually difficulty in distinguishing between brown / red and green, though).

Although I might not see "red and white" as you see "red and white", most people do perceive them as "bright" colours, and will be able to distingush between them and see them as contrasting colours. Otherwise there can be no way of making anything "high visibility", if everyone had a different idea of what "high visibility" is. Similarly, differnt shades of what you might see as "grey" could appear to me to be very bright and threatening indeed.

I think XO was referring to the idea that if you were magically transported into my head, you might see a colour I call "red" as "blue", and if it happened in reverse, I might see your "green" as my "purple". But when we both look at a stop sign, we would both still see two brightly contrasting colours, even if my perception differs from yours.


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    #1156554 - 12/19/02 11:31 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

What if each person sees completely NEW colors. Like the saturations are still the same, so contradictory to what RebelSteve was saying, things are just as easy to read no matter what, but the colors another person sees would be considered unearthly and unhuman to you cuz you've never experienced those colors before.


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    #1156561 - 12/19/02 11:38 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Thats sort of what I was trying to say, even though we as individuals find it difficult to read yellow on a white background. If someone has learnt it that way and their retinas are physically built for it then they would have no trouble.


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    #1156613 - 12/20/02 12:05 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Well, I see completely different, unnamed colours when tripping... :laugh:

As for "training" our eyes, it can only go so far - we're limited by our physical equipment (eyes) as to what our limits actually are. You can't easily train your eyes to perceive the difference between (using RGB values to represent a colour) R:100G:100B:100 and R:100G:100B:101, simply because human eyes aren't that sensitive.   


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    #1156617 - 12/20/02 12:16 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I sometimes wonder what it would be like to be able to see into the infra red spectrum or into the UV spectrum... not as a forced remapping onto the visible spectrum (eg the kind you get with thermal imaging equipment, of reds, yellows and greens, or with the greenish glow of IR imaging... etc), but to actually see infra red, to see a body radiating heat...

Still, from what I understand, the human eye is amazing, because many other animals can only see colour in certain parts of the visible spectrum. The rest they see in monochrome (single shade), even though in practice they can detect lights of longer (IR) and shorter (UV) wavelengths than humans can. It seems as if humans have a much richer visual experience (purely IMO) than other animals, even though our visible spectrum is narrower than theirs.


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    #1156624 - 12/20/02 12:27 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Communication, patience, and understanding help bridge the gap between our subjective worlds - slowly we create a more detailed and versitile, and faster-accelerating "collective neurosystem."


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    #1156639 - 12/20/02 12:47 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

It may be because I smoked too much, but I don't understand... :confused:


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