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 Is watching TV a form of meditation? 
#11553831 - 11/30/09 08:29 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: RonPaulVerm]
#11553834 - 11/30/09 08:31 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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No. Of course not. How could you make such an analogy?
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#11553846 - 11/30/09 08:34 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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well if your mind gets lost in something. Where you can eliminate thought...
for example...listening to music. Where you JUST listen. You don't think about the music or think about listening to music. YOu...just listen.
PLUS my father watches SO much fucking tv and says he gets into it and doesn't think about the surrounding reality. He thinks of it as a form of meditation (and please dont anyone resort to bashing my dad)
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: RonPaulVerm]
#11553858 - 11/30/09 08:37 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: dr_gonz]
#11553861 - 11/30/09 08:38 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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getting lost in made up dramas is most definitely NOT a form of meditation. it's a kind of a dulling of the senses, but not in the beneficial way.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: RonPaulVerm]
#11553867 - 11/30/09 08:42 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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RonPaulVerm said:
well if your mind gets lost in something. Where you can eliminate thought...
for example...listening to music. Where you JUST listen. You don't think about the music or think about listening to music. YOu...just listen.
PLUS my father watches SO much fucking tv and says he gets into it and doesn't think about the surrounding reality. He thinks of it as a form of meditation (and please dont anyone resort to bashing my dad)
It's a form of hypnotic trance, that's for sure. Most forms of meditation however are a way of dealing with reality not escaping from it.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: RonPaulVerm]
#11553880 - 11/30/09 08:46 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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You could make the argument that it's meditation, but it's meditating on something bad, so it's the kind you want to avoid.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: dr_gonz]
#11553908 - 11/30/09 08:57 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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bad-a relative concept
negative-a relative concept
however, I would agree with you all and that's the angle I come from when I talk to him about watching tv. But when you think about storytelling around a fire, a show at a theater, or any form of stories they're all kind of the same.
TV and Movies are just globalized monoculture stories.
I guess you can meditate on negative things....hmmmm
well along with this I ask...what's the purpose of meditating? Because I think the answer would change depending on what you're meditating on.
If it's bringing about happiness than I wonder if it is still meditating.
I think that meditation goes beyond feelings
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: RonPaulVerm]
#11553935 - 11/30/09 09:08 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Meditation is a practice of disciplining the mind. The point is to see things as they actually exist, without preconceived notion. There are two basic types and they are analytical and abstract. Each requires a calm, abiding mind that allows the object to be interpreted and understood. I am no master and only a novice myself so I'm not really going to go any further with it because I do not want to unintentionally mislead.
However, the goal of meditation is to cultivate a mind without attachment that can see things as they are. In that way, meditation is a pursuit of truth.
Television is not truth. It is all illusion.
Stories, whether told around a fire or fed to you through the tube are lies.
Because television is void of truth, television can not be called meditation.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: dr_gonz]
#11553938 - 11/30/09 09:09 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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well said gonz.
Watching tv is in no way meditation.
Meditation is simply finding "self" through breathing/yoga/analyzing techniques.. not sitting like a zombie in front of some mind rotting screen. Are you trying to justify a person sitting and watching tv all day? it's pathetic. your dad needs to get his head out of the tv. I can almost guarantee if he really truly achieves meditation, he will have a breakdown and want to avoid the tv.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: RonPaulVerm]
#11553946 - 11/30/09 09:11 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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meditating to me and according to the yogic philosophy is practiced to still the constant chatter in the mind in an effort to cultivate a more sattvic (present, pure) way of living.
it's funny you brought up theatre. i was thinking about that too. i think that with live performances (theatre, music, and dance especially for me) there can be some kind of special cathartic connection between the audience and the performers. we make mirrors and expresssions of ourselves (performer) to get to know ourselves better (peformer and audience). when it works it's like the audience and performers are all in a state of collective awareness and being present. kind of magical shared experience, not sure it's meditation, but surely can be transcendent. i would argue that TV/FILM lose that magic by losing the closeness of the living beings to one another.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: RonPaulVerm]
#11553952 - 11/30/09 09:12 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think that meditation goes beyond feelings
This. Also regardless of your purpose or method, meditation is a way of training your brain. In any form of training there is at least some effort involved. If there is no resistance then you are becoming weaker not stronger. This is as true mentally as it is physically.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: RonPaulVerm]
#11553954 - 11/30/09 09:12 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Watching TV is getting lost in something more pleasurable then reality sometimes,meditating is getting lost within yourself,eliminating stimuli and just being left with the experience of existing.
When you watch TV,browse the net or even when you read a book you just put one aspect of reality in the foreground and concentrate on it and dial everything else down.While meditating you dial everything down IMO.
So no,I wouldn't say that TV can be seen as any form of meditation,more of a trance like someone said.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: 13.step]
#11553956 - 11/30/09 09:13 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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i've gone into some sort of a daze watching movies in biology. you know, the mornign class where your half asleep, you lay your head on your desk and your watching fish swim or monkeys eat bananas. So relaxing.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: dr_gonz]
#11553965 - 11/30/09 09:15 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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i got rid of my tv 8 months ago, but i often think the computer isn't much different... not ready to give it up though 
same here.
i SO want to get rid of just the cable in my apartment, but my roommate would never agree.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: koppie]
#11553968 - 11/30/09 09:17 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good point. As I said earlier, its a practice.
There is definitely effort involved. If you have never tried to quiet your mind, it can be very difficult.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: RonPaulVerm]
#11553975 - 11/30/09 09:19 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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RonPaulVerm said:
well if your mind gets lost in something. Where you can eliminate thought...
for example...listening to music. Where you JUST listen. You don't think about the music or think about listening to music. YOu...just listen.
PLUS my father watches SO much fucking tv and says he gets into it and doesn't think about the surrounding reality. He thinks of it as a form of meditation (and please dont anyone resort to bashing my dad)
I'm sorry but this is dumb. How does he stay "focused" when the commercial comes? How does he "focus" on all of these characters? TV is not meditation, end of story.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: Rocker232]
#11554004 - 11/30/09 09:25 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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queiting your mind doesn't mean the end of thoughts right? Just less thoughts?
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: yogabunny]
#11554005 - 11/30/09 09:25 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: hidenseek]
#11554013 - 11/30/09 09:27 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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cables a waste of 30 dollors every month everything can be found on the interwebz
ooooh TRRUST me, i agree. i am just outnumbered by my roommate, whose life would end without soap operas and DVR.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: Southern Smoke]
#11554040 - 11/30/09 09:35 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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queiting your mind doesn't mean the end of thoughts right? Just less thoughts?
Questioning your mind is a step though. You need to realize first that the thoughts you think ARE NOT your mind. There is a difference between "you" and "your thoughts".
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: dr_gonz]
#11554042 - 11/30/09 09:35 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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i got rid of my tv 8 months ago, but i often think the computer isn't much different... not ready to give it up though
yeah, too much computer certainly can't be good. I don't spend much time on this unless I am on here or searching for jobs/posting resumes. We live in an age where understand computer language is almost a necessity.. which is sad. I deleted my myspace account after coming to a realization that I am getting nothing valuable from being on there.
At least some sites(shroomery as an example:D) contain some valuable information. There is an endless sea of pleasure and negative/positive information on the net. This is another reason why I stray away from conspiracy information. You can hardly trust any sources these days.
We are just stuck in this age, where computers are constructing generations.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: 13.step]
#11554175 - 11/30/09 10:11 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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i got rid of my tv 8 months ago, but i often think the computer isn't much different... not ready to give it up though
I stopped watching TV years back. (We still have TV's in our house, but I only tune into th show LOST. And that's more like a movie and I watch it online most of the times. I could go on and on about WHY I watch it)
To me, stories are not lies. And meditation only SEEKS truth.
Are myths lies? Is science truth?
I would argue that there are MANY aspects of this world that are illusions not just TV.
Is the internet any better than TV? Some of you would say no
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Watching TV is getting lost in something more pleasurable then reality sometimes,meditating is getting lost within yourself,eliminating stimuli and just being left with the experience of existing.
I'm struggling at defining the self. right now I view the world as an extension of myself. There is an internal self and an external self. I try to hate no one because I'm just hating what has made me what I am.
Stories and myths as I said are not lies because i'm struggling to even see any truth to lie about. A truth is a conclusion and once you reach a conclusion you close a door.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: RonPaulVerm]
#11554185 - 11/30/09 10:13 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think so.
Gets my mind off everything else and gets me calm and chilled out.
I feel at peace watching TV,
Now you'll get the shroomery hipsters coming in here saying how it's beaming brainwashing shit into my house and brain and all that crap, F off with that nonsense.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: RonPaulVerm]
#11554186 - 11/30/09 10:14 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Myths are part of the self if you ask me. In fact myths may be the biggest evidence for the universality of mankind.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: Rocker232]
#11554200 - 11/30/09 10:17 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm sorry but this is dumb. How does he stay "focused" when the commercial comes? How does he "focus" on all of these characters? TV is not meditation, end of story.
It's not about focusing. Focusing requires thinking.
I would agree with other folks on this thread that TV is more of a trance than it is meditation.
I am not trying to convince anyone of anything so you don't have to serve me up a plate of "end of story" and call things dumb.
[I don't think you mean to come off as crass (neither do I), but all I see are words.]
Plus "end of story" means there is no room for debate or conversation. Perhaps, a universal truth would be established. hahahahahaha
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: RonPaulVerm]
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I'm sorry but this is dumb. How does he stay "focused" when the commercial comes? How does he "focus" on all of these characters? TV is not meditation, end of story.
It's not about focusing. Focusing requires thinking.
I would agree with other folks on this thread that TV is more of a trance than it is meditation.
I am not trying to convince anyone of anything so you don't have to serve me up a plate of "end of story" and call things dumb.
[I don't think you mean to come off as crass (neither do I), but all I see are words.]
Plus "end of story" means there is no room for debate or conversation. Perhaps, a universal truth would be established. hahahahahaha
Focusing if obviously the wrong word. But how does one reach stillness without mindfulness?
Most train by watching the breath, listening to music etc
The intent of this is to build mindfulness. Watching TV will NOT accomplish this. Every scene is different. Every word is different. Every idea is different.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: Rocker232]
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This is a pretty interesting thread.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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the only good tv is a DEAD tv 
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: Doctor_Dick]
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the only good tv is a DEAD tv
WHAT!
You better not mean that dude! :O
I would die without TV!
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: hpi]
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the only good tv is a DEAD tv
WHAT!
You better not mean that dude! :O
I would die without TV!
lol yaa i was jokin
tv's aight 
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: Doctor_Dick]
#11554255 - 11/30/09 10:34 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I hate TV.
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The fact that someone thinks they would die without tv only goes to show how powerful the illusions it presents are. Television is not oxygen.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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TV is bad like the internet is bad, it really depends on the content. Lots of TV is fucking stupid, but theres very informative TV shows, documentarys, etc. Also, Colbert Report is funny and quite informative. Also, its ironic a bunch of internet addicts wasting time on the internet are discussing how bad TV is.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: fapjack]
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TV is bad like the internet is bad, it really depends on the content. Lots of TV is fucking stupid, but theres very informative TV shows, documentarys, etc. Also, Colbert Report is funny and quite informative. Also, its ironic a bunch of internet addicts wasting time on the internet are discussing how bad TV is.
I see forums as a form of being social. What is social about television?
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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The fact that someone thinks they would die without tv only goes to show how powerful the illusions it presents are. Television is not oxygen.
I KNOW I wouldn't die without it, I'm just saying. Since there's no reason for me to not have any TV's then fuck that I'm gonna be watching it everyday.
Up until I jointed the shroomery I wasn't really aware that people who are not poor don't own TV's!! So many members don't watch or even own a TV, what's up with that? :O
I do a lot of different things, I'm not a couch potatoe by any means but I really enjoy just sitting down on my couch, getting comfy and watching television. Especially nowadays with High definition and all, it's just a form of entertainment to me. Fuck live tv though, I record everything and watch it later, skip commercials :
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: fapjack]
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Ok, so what has the television taught you?
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: RonPaulVerm]
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I think TV might just be the opposite of meditation.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: Silversoul]
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I mean, let's look at the fucking dictionary here:
med⋅i⋅tate
[med-i-teyt]
–verb (used without object)
1. to engage in thought or contemplation; reflect.
2. to engage in transcendental meditation, devout religious contemplation, or quiescent spiritual introspection.
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3. to consider as something to be done or effected; intend; purpose: to meditate revenge.
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The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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Ok, so what has the television taught you?
Television has taught me French, English and German. (Watching foreign television, especially the news and when you're starting out kids TV, is excellent comprehension practice.)
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: hpi]
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I don't own a TV,would like one though mainly for the documentary channels,movie-channels and some news.I don't get one because it isn't really worth it, the internet does all that for me.The only thing i think the TV does better is the randomness that it has,i miss just sitting down in the middle of a movie that i don't know and trying to figure out what it's about.
Edit: This is how i learned German,watching TV shows as a kid, it's my second language now...also South Park thought me English,but i watched them on DVDs so i don't think that counts
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: koppie]
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I don't believe you.
You can't learn foreign languages by watching tv.
And what do you mean by starting out kids?
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#11554408 - 11/30/09 11:09 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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You can't learn foreign languages by watching tv.
Well maybe you can't but I did. What I meant was that when you're just starting out learning a language, children's TV is the thing to watch. The dialogue is simple, and pronunciation is clear.
I grew up watching first German television when I was little and learned enough to understand it fluently, then in high school I wasted years of my life watching Green Acres Mr. Ed and Brady Bunch reruns which taught me English. In my twenties I started watching French television and learned to understand the language that way.
Weisst du, Fremdsprachen lernen, c'est pas difficle. It's simple immersion. Of course you have to supplement this by reading. And some formal education helps, although while I got top marks in German and English at school (languages which I had already learned via television) my French was atrocious and I barely scraped by. Only when I started immersing myself in the language after school did I get proficient in it.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: Rocker232]
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Its a substitute, but using internet too much is just as bad as watching too much TV. Going outside and doing shit with other people is what being social is, not dicking around on computer. Point was too much of either is bad, but in moderation either one isn't harmful.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: fapjack]
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TV is bad like the internet is bad, it really depends on the content. Lots of TV is fucking stupid, but theres very informative TV shows, documentarys, etc. Also, Colbert Report is funny and quite informative. Also, its ironic a bunch of internet addicts wasting time on the internet are discussing how bad TV is.
daily show and colbert report are my only sources of us news
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#11554440 - 11/30/09 11:16 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I learned that a Texas Penny is a hundred dollar bill on the simpsons. I learned a lot of shit about animals/nature on Discovery Channel/Nation Geographics. I much prefer the internet over TV, but not everyone is computer savy, there is some good TV shows. Also, I picked up a little bit of japanesse from watching anime when I was younger, you can learn languages from TV, though its not easy. Its not black or white like that, TV is media, just like newspapers, just like the internet.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#11554465 - 11/30/09 11:23 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't believe you.
You can't learn foreign languages by watching tv.
And what do you mean by starting out kids?
when i was in dominican i met some guys who learned english from mtv, they were jokes
amd i heard of people learning english from soap operas
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: fapjack]
#11554482 - 11/30/09 11:29 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's not a bad thing by any means. Simply an easy way of entertainment for the family and self. And that's it.
Intertwining the synthetic properties of television with the trueness behind meditation can only lead
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: visions]
#11554514 - 11/30/09 11:37 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you're good enough at it, you can meditate whilst doing anything.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: pfxtc]
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***meditating and operating heavy machinery is not advised
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: hidenseek]
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***meditating and operating heavy machinery is not advised
Lol - Ram Dass talks about how he meditates while he drives, meditation doesn't always involve having your eyes closed and sitting in a crosslegged position.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: RonPaulVerm]
#11554546 - 11/30/09 11:43 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Watching tv is a form of making yourself more stupid.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: pfxtc]
#11554568 - 11/30/09 11:47 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you're good enough at it, you can meditate whilst doing anything.
yah the tibetan Buddhists do eye open meditation (dzogchen style, it's what the dalai lama practices) i like the philosophy behind it, but prefer to meditate with my eyes closed.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: RonPaulVerm]
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well if your mind gets lost in something. Where you can eliminate thought...
for example...listening to music. Where you JUST listen. You don't think about the music or think about listening to music. YOu...just listen.
PLUS my father watches SO much fucking tv and says he gets into it and doesn't think about the surrounding reality. He thinks of it as a form of meditation (and please dont anyone resort to bashing my dad)
Maybe that's the case for YOU. I find myself constantly evaluating the meaning behind the lyrics, or constructing a storyline (like a mental movie) to fit the atmosphere of the song (frequently has nothing to do with the lyrics for me).
My mother watches about 6-14 hours of television a day. Lays there, like a sandbag doll draped on the couch. Completely zoned out, hanging on every word and image. Like many television viewers.
I can't stand more than an hour or two, and even then the commercial breaks aggravate me. Television is a forceful medium. You are there to receive whatever the bloated capitalist corporations have prepared for you, organized however they see fit. Cut and cubed for easy funnel feedings at regularily scheduled intervals.
Often times I see that the advertisements are treated as more important than the show I selected the channel for.
One-hour movies, that magically become three hour mind-rape-fests.
Mentally vacant is not a meditative state.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: Wasteland]
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It's a form of hypnotic trance, that's for sure.
Yep, it's definitely not meditation. I personally enjoy watching good movies and shows occasionally but on the whole TV is just a giant waste of time. My parents spend hours upon hours every night zoning out in front of the boob tube; I want to do something more meaningful with my life.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: deCypher]
#11555632 - 11/30/09 02:37 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Television and the internet are not really comparable. Television is controlled from top to bottom, its content is very tediously matriculated and is a one-way channel.
These are extremely large differences. The internet gives anyone a voice who wants one. Television gives a voice to the wealthy and to the elite and if you can not see how this makes television a serious social detriment, well, you've been watching too much television.
As far as learning languages, I concede its possible and I think its pretty amazing that you were able to learn language through a one-way channel like that. But congrats on being innovative and intelligent enough to do that.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: deCypher]
#11556720 - 11/30/09 05:11 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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deCypher said:but on the whole TV is just a giant waste of time. I want to do something more meaningful with my life.
I imagine that many, many people would consider meditating a giant waste of time. I mean, you're not even laughing at stupid jokes, you're just sitting there...
I have derived much pleasure and information from television. I try to avoid watching too much of it, but I have no problem with selectively using it. Just yesterday I learned how to build a picnic table from that "This Old House" guy. That got me thinking about carpentry, and what I am building next. And sometimes the situations on TV remind me of my own life, and I reflect. This fits the definition of meditation, so I say yes. TV is a form of meditation.
His Holiness The Dalai Lama said "...meditation...can also include continuously familiarizing ourselves with positive thoughts." Particularly if one uses a DVR to skip the advertisements, why couldn't a seesion of television be as uplifting as a meditation session?
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: ToolTroll]
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Yeah there's nothing inherently wrong with TV, just when people start relying on it to "unwind." If you just tune in for one show or something I don't see anything wrong with that.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: 13.step]
#11559795 - 12/01/09 12:26 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Watching TV is getting lost in something more pleasurable then reality sometimes,meditating is getting lost within yourself,eliminating stimuli and just being left with the experience of existing.
When you watch TV,browse the net or even when you read a book you just put one aspect of reality in the foreground and concentrate on it and dial everything else down.While meditating you dial everything down IMO.
So no,I wouldn't say that TV can be seen as any form of meditation,more of a trance like someone said.
I agree.
Watching tv completely contradicts the idea of meditation. Its letting an outside source control the thought process and prevents the individuals from achieving a quiet and free the mind .
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: spiralingmind]
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The TV's okay, this I know because the TV told me so.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: ToolTroll]
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deCypher said:but on the whole TV is just a giant waste of time. I want to do something more meaningful with my life.
I imagine that many, many people would consider meditating a giant waste of time. I mean, you're not even laughing at stupid jokes, you're just sitting there...
I have derived much pleasure and information from television. I try to avoid watching too much of it, but I have no problem with selectively using it. Just yesterday I learned how to build a picnic table from that "This Old House" guy. That got me thinking about carpentry, and what I am building next. And sometimes the situations on TV remind me of my own life, and I reflect. This fits the definition of meditation, so I say yes. TV is a form of meditation.
His Holiness The Dalai Lama said "...meditation...can also include continuously familiarizing ourselves with positive thoughts." Particularly if one uses a DVR to skip the advertisements, why couldn't a seesion of television be as uplifting as a meditation session?
Meditating helps my anxiety, makes me able to focus and quiets my OCD. It gives me more lucid dreams and helps me relate much better to the world around me. It makes my resting heart beat slower and makes it easier for me to sleep. Meditating also gives me a sense of confidence and helps me a lot throughout the day.
TV rots your brain. Sorry, but how is this even debatable? Meditating makes you live longer. How is TV making you live longer? It makes you buy stupid shit and it spreads misinformation.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: Rocker232]
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And it defines the worldview of the viewer.
The Dalai Lama in the above quote was likely discussing the intricacies of developing calm abiding. Has nothing to do with television.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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This is quite simple really. Meditating using tested and tried methods and then watch tv and try to do the same. I assure you that you will not get the same out of the tv.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: Rocker232]
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TV doesn't make me buy anything, neither does internet. Also, how does TV rot your brain? How can you even make a blanket statement like that. Do you not watch any movies or TV shows what so ever? If you don't how the hell do you know this and if you do, what the hell are you talking about then.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: fapjack]
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Also, how does TV rot your brain?
It is detrimental to the thought processes and it generally mutilates your attention span.
Just think of how your time is spent, if you spend one hour watching television.
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Show =
Commercial _
I think this is a fairly accurate measure for something made up off in the top of my head.
Each and every _ is SCREAMING for your attention, with noises, phrases, colors and symbols specifically designed and trial tested to get you to look at it obediently.
The average television show has no educational or philosophical value. You are being bombarded with whatever message a board of executives for Fuckwits, Inc (a subsidary of Viacom) has decided might get them ratings, while keeping the viewer in the desired position, bent over.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: Wasteland]
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DVR takes care of commercials, and the content of shows varies greatly. Reading a fiction book isn't a waste of time, and neither is watching The Colbery Report on Comedy Central, or Seinfeld reruns on TBS. Its entertainment, its not a bad thing in moderation. Too much TV is definitly escapism, but not all TV shows are the same.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: fapjack]
#11561301 - 12/01/09 10:01 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Think of the way you take in information with a book.
Each word relates to a connotative definition in your mind, you are actively persuing this data and using your imagination to create a rich and detailed world in your mind covering all the senses. This is the case in any well-written literature.
Television and films, give you an image, move you along with the camera. All is plain and upfront. Often there is no effort made to explain anything beyond what you can directly see in the foreground of the animated frames flashing before your eyes.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: Wasteland]
#11561579 - 12/01/09 10:49 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've been trying to figure this out for a while (not TV specefically).. as of now, I vote YES.
It's my understanding that meditation is the art of silencing your mind by directly focusing on one thing. I've been meditating for a few months now, but I've realized that I meditate constantly even though I'm not consciously trying to, for example: when I'm creating graphics, excercising, doing chores, etc. My mind doesn't usually run while I'm performing these activities.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: Wasteland]
#11561590 - 12/01/09 10:50 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well whatever, I'd rather go outside and have fun than do either. Only time I really even watch TV is winter when its too cold to go outside.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: fapjack]
#11562462 - 12/01/09 12:52 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Now you are equating television to books.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#11562748 - 12/01/09 01:34 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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They are both forms of entertainment, reading too much fiction and watching too much TV are both a waste of time IMO.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: hidenseek]
#11562778 - 12/01/09 01:37 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Television is not a form of meditation. Its a form of entertainment, it also conditions and programs you values and desires.
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: fapjack]
#11562894 - 12/01/09 01:53 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
fapjack said:
They are both forms of entertainment, reading too much fiction and watching too much TV are both a waste of time IMO.
But, the written word has so much more content, knowledge and is actually building cognitive skills as you progress.
 
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Re: Is watching TV a form of meditation? [Re: Wasteland]
#11562916 - 12/01/09 01:55 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Watching television is basically like being zoned out on a drug physiologically.
You sit and stare.
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