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OfflineEchoVortex
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Welcome to Fascism
    #1154729 - 12/19/02 11:18 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)


By Jill Serjeant

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Hundreds of Iranian and other Middle East citizens were in southern California jails on Wednesday after coming forward to comply with a new rule to register with immigration authorities only to wind up handcuffed and behind bars.



Shocked and frustrated Islamic and immigrant groups estimate that more than 500 people have been arrested in Los Angeles, neighboring Orange County and San Diego in the past three days under a new nationwide anti-terrorism program. Some unconfirmed reports put the figure as high as 1,000.


The arrests sparked a demonstration by hundreds of Iranians outside a Los Angeles immigration office. The protesters carried banners saying "What's next? Concentration camps?" and "What happened to liberty and justice?."


A spokesman for the Immigration and Naturalization Service said no numbers of people arrested would be made public. A Justice Department (news - web sites) spokesman could not be reached for comment.


The head of the southern California chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites) compared the arrests to the internment of Japanese Americans in camps during the Second World War.


"I think it is shocking what is happening. It is reminiscent of what happened in the past with the internment of Japanese Americans. We are getting a lot of telephone calls from people. We are hearing that people went down wanting to cooperate and then they were detained," said Ramona Ripston, the ACLU's executive director.


JAILS OVERFLOWING


One activist said local jails were so overcrowded that the immigrants could be sent to Arizona, where they could face weeks or months in prisons awaiting hearings before immigration judges or deportation.


"It is a shock. You don't expect this to happen. It is really putting fright and apprehension in the community. People who come from these countries -- this is what they expect from their government. Not from America," said Sabiha Khan of the Southern California chapter of the Council on American Islamic Relations.


The arrests were part of a post Sept. 11 program that requires all males over 16 from a list of 20 Arab or Middle East countries, who do not have permanent resident status in the United States, to register with U.S. immigration authorities.


Monday was the deadline for men from Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya and Sudan. News of the mass arrests came first in southern California, which is home to more than 600,000 Iranian exiles and their families.


Officials declined to give figures for those arrested or for the numbers of people who turned up to register, be fingerprinted and have their photographs taken.


"We are not releasing any numbers," said Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) spokesman Francisco Arcaute.


CALLS FOR HELP


Islamic groups and the local chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) said they had been swamped with calls for help.


INS spokesman Arcaute said those arrested had violated immigration laws, overstayed their visas, or were wanted for crimes. The program was prompted by concern about the lack of records on tourists, students and other visitors to the United States after the Sept. 11 hijack plane attacks on New York and Washington.


Islamic community leaders said many of the detainees had been living, working and paying taxes in the United States for five or 10 years, and had families here.


"Terrorists most likely wouldn't come to the INS to register. It is really a bad way to go about it. They are being treated as criminals and that really goes against American ideals of fairness, and justice and democracy," Khan said.

The Iranian protesters said many of those detained were victims of official delays in processing visa and green card requests.

"My father, they just took him in," one young man told reporters. "They've been treating him like an animal. They put him in a room with, like, 50 other people and no bed or anything."

Khan said one of those in jail was a doctor, who was being sponsored for U.S. citizenship when his sponsor died.

One Syrian man said he went to register in Orange County with a dozen friends. He was the only one to come out of the INS office. "All my friends are inside right now," M.M. Trapici, 45, told reporters. "I have to visit the family for each one today. Most of them have small kids."




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OfflineEchoVortex
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Re: Welcome to Fascism [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1154746 - 12/19/02 11:21 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

So how many people do you think are going to show up for the NEXT round of "registrations"?

With a government like this who needs terrorists?


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Re: Welcome to Fascism [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1154752 - 12/19/02 11:23 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Sign me up. Yay for the Patriot Act.


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Re: Welcome to Fascism [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1155199 - 12/19/02 02:02 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

America, what a great country!


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Re: Welcome to Fascism [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1155230 - 12/19/02 02:15 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

FROM SEA TO SHINING SEA!  :laugh: :laugh: :wink: :grin:


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Re: Welcome to Fascism [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1155235 - 12/19/02 02:16 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

If they are here illegally, ship them home as quickly as possible. Let those who are having verifiable paperwork snafu's stay since it's not their fault the INS is so incompetent.

As to the comparison of the Japanese Americans, they were here legally. What was done to them should never have happened.


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Re: Welcome to Fascism [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1155914 - 12/19/02 07:01 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

> they were here legally

isnt everyone here illegally?  :confused:


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Re: Welcome to Fascism [Re: pattern]
    #1156444 - 12/19/02 10:43 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Sad way to treat people whos only real problem was to come to america
100 years to late.


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Re: Welcome to Fascism [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1156454 - 12/19/02 10:47 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

The Japanese comparison works, I think. Rounding up
a large group of people from a nation that has been
declared an enemy of the United States. That doesn't
sound really different from Japanese being 'unlawfully
stripped of their citizenship papers, imprisoned in the
United States, on the ground that they were illegal
immigrants . '

It's like those gun rights advocates is always saying,
'How many criminals are going to register their guns?'
How many terrorists will report to immigration?
And, it was described as an 'anti-terror' thing. So.

It doesn't really accomplish anything. It stirs up
some bad xenophobia stuff. And mistrust in the
immigrant community.

I don't know if it's a super-sinister thing, though. It
seems like someone made a big mistake.

Most Iranians be fleeing persecution
anyways. Lots got out after the revolution and all the
bad stuff. Aren't Iranian businessmen Republican
bigtime Republican moneygiving people?

It won't be as easy to catch bad people when they
try to round up the rest of them. From the bad
countries especially.

There's the people in the Middle East, too. When
you're trying to build support for a war, it's really
not a good idea to start rounding up a bunch of
people of Middle Eastern heritage.

*** edited by Evolving, removed racial slurs ***


Edited by Evolving (12/24/02 04:46 AM)


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Re: Welcome to Fascism [Re: bivalve]
    #1156469 - 12/19/02 10:56 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Almost a good argument but fell short on the terms "Sand niggers" and "niggaz"
oh well.


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Re: Welcome to Fascism [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1156470 - 12/19/02 10:57 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

whatever mr. bush says, right?


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Re: Welcome to Fascism [Re: bivalve]
    #1156487 - 12/19/02 11:02 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

HAHAHA

*** edited by Evolving, removed re-statement of bivalve's racial slur ***


Edited by Anonymous (12/24/02 04:50 AM)


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Re: Welcome to Fascism [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1156544 - 12/19/02 11:26 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

And?


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Invisibleluvdemshrooms
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Re: Welcome to Fascism [Re: pattern]
    #1156563 - 12/19/02 11:39 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

In reply to:

isnt everyone here illegally?



No.


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Re: Welcome to Fascism [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1156575 - 12/19/02 11:43 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Depends whoose laws you use. Under Native American law you are there illegally.


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Re: Welcome to Fascism [Re: GazzBut]
    #1156581 - 12/19/02 11:46 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

The Treaty between the Lakota and the United States was broken by the Feds. They have no business on that land.


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Re: Welcome to Fascism [Re: bivalve]
    #1156584 - 12/19/02 11:47 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

In reply to:

The Japanese comparison works, I think.



How can it? You can't compare being "stripped of your citizenship" with being sent back to your homeland because you're in a country illegally. We gave the Japanese permission to be here, they followed the rules and received their citizenship as a result. Then they got fucked. The people in the article are here illegally and as a result need to go. (Unless as I said earlier there is a paperwork snafu)

Frankly I think luring them in was a stroke of genius. Sort of like when the police use free superbowl tickets to lure in criminals.

Frankly we should track down ALL illegal aliens and ship them home.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Welcome to Fascism [Re: ]
    #1156590 - 12/19/02 11:49 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

In reply to:

whatever mr. bush says, right?



What a foolish statement. First, I've had this opinion long before either Bush was President. Second, it's the law and a damn good one.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Welcome to Fascism [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1156594 - 12/19/02 11:51 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

By home i take it you mean the country they were born in?
So does this hold for you even if they would be returning to imprisonment
torture and possible death?Not a home i would wont to be returned to
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Re: Welcome to Fascism [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1156595 - 12/19/02 11:51 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I agree. The United States has many many faults but that is no excuse for closing the borders in times of emergency.

9/12 I would have sent them packing.


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