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Things you've come to believe..
    #1154672 - 12/19/02 10:56 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Hi.

These are some things that I currently "believe"..although maybe "intuit" is a better word. I may change my mind about them in the future.

1. We have an innate, but for the most part dormant, ability to know and understand the universe. Yes! As in, we are able to perceive things as they are. Not just on the 3 dimensional level of colour and space and such. In other words, everything is a full representation of itself, and we can pick up on this. Total understanding is part of enlightenment.

3. There are higher levels of the self that we are not usually conscious of, and these higher levels guide us. It's still "us", just at a higher level. We can come into contact with our higher self.

That's it. What are some things you currently hold to be true?


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Re: Things you've come to believe.. [Re: Revelation]
    #1154912 - 12/19/02 12:11 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Total understanding is part of enlightenment.
Maybe total understanding is the understanding and acceptance that you will never achieve a total understanding of anything?

Things I hold to be true? That I'm alive... That all reality is the same reality looked at from infinite different perspectives... That love is the force of creation... That truth is plural... :smile: 


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Re: Things you've come to believe.. [Re: Adamist]
    #1155022 - 12/19/02 12:42 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe total understanding is the understanding and acceptance that you will never achieve a total understanding of anything?

I wasn't saying that I understand the universe, BTW. I was just saying that I believe that we have the ability to do this.

Anyway, yes you're idea of enlightenment makes sense too. But I think that to be enlightened requires a complete intuitive understanding of things like karma and intent and so on.

That love is the force of creation

Yes. I think that aswell.


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Re: Things you've come to believe.. [Re: Revelation]
    #1155076 - 12/19/02 01:10 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Here are some of mine that I can think of right now...

1. There is a timeless energy that can only be revealed through a state of egoless art. This energy can never be explained. Only felt for a brief moment.

2. History repeats itself. It's still all about money... About having the biggest house.

3. Religion is fear.

4. Music is my god and the ocean is my goddess.

5. True happiness will be found randomly, anywheres. It is impossible to set your watch to. If you try too hard to find it then you won't. Most events aren't planned. The best way is to just keep yourself open for when it decides to walk in.

6. Tool is an incredible band.

7. Squash is nasty.


Thanks for letting me think about these things, Rev







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Re: Things you've come to believe.. [Re: Grav]
    #1155096 - 12/19/02 01:20 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

There is a timeless energy that can only be revealed through a state of egoless art. This energy can never be explained. Only felt for a brief moment.

Yeah, that's a great one. On a related note.. I was thinking that art exists independently from ourselves, and it's all around us. Not everywhere, but it's around. Someone in another thread said something like "The experiences you have on shrooms are the closest you'll ever get to true art, whatever that means to you.". Which I thought was very true.


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Re: Things you've come to believe.. [Re: Revelation]
    #1155098 - 12/19/02 01:21 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

1.that are dreams can hold the answers to questions we cant see in normal day concious life... (i think your 3 can tie into this one for me)

that things are going to happen in my lifetime due to the overwhelming evidence and need for a global change...

all in all is all connected here and now we see the truth it binds us it cant be said but can be said infinitely we must remain centered grounded here and now to flow like the river flows(like your # 1 :wink: )


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Re: Things you've come to believe.. [Re: Zero7a1]
    #1155135 - 12/19/02 01:36 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

1. There may be a god, but almost every religion is 90% wishful fantasy.
2. We are not concious.Conciousness is an illusion.


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Re: Things you've come to believe.. [Re: Kaneda]
    #1155162 - 12/19/02 01:47 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

2. We are not concious.Conciousness is an illusion.

How could that be? I think therefore I am.


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Re: Things you've come to believe.. [Re: Revelation]
    #1155168 - 12/19/02 01:51 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

You are what? A thought?


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Re: Things you've come to believe.. [Re: Kaneda]
    #1155174 - 12/19/02 01:53 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I don't know what I am, but I know that I am.


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Re: Things you've come to believe.. [Re: Revelation]
    #1155198 - 12/19/02 02:02 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I have searched to see what I am, what I found was nothing!
The reason I believe there to be no conciousness.


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Re: Things you've come to believe.. [Re: Kaneda]
    #1155248 - 12/19/02 02:25 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

so, which search engine did you use?


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Re: Things you've come to believe.. [Re: raytrace]
    #1155256 - 12/19/02 02:28 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Google, obviously  :tongue:


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Re: Things you've come to believe.. [Re: Grav]
    #1155273 - 12/19/02 02:36 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

There is a timeless energy that can only be ... felt for a brief moment.

Pardon, but that doesn't make any sense. Timelessness and timefullness cannot be casually juxtaposed like that.




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Re: Things you've come to believe.. [Re: Kaneda]
    #1155293 - 12/19/02 02:46 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

yes, it's kind of obvious.


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Re: Things you've come to believe.. [Re: Revelation]
    #1155468 - 12/19/02 04:11 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

The human mind is weak. No matter how much you deny it society still greatly affects the way you think. Everyone!! The only thing I believe is we shouldn't distroy what we all truly are. earth. Distroying earth is distroying are mothers and fathers. are creators. are bringers of life. Religion justifies this distruction by saying we are better then every animal and life form before us. When really were far worse! Science is the only religion that has proof to it. evolution. If you don't believe its true study it. If you still don't then you are closed minded and blow off fact! Yes fact evolution is about as much a theory as the sun is a theory.

"In all your promt and all your glory. Your a poorer man then me. As you lick the boots of death born out of fear"


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Re: Things you've come to believe.. [Re: Revelation]
    #1155514 - 12/19/02 04:27 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Life is a waterfall, we drink from the river then we turn around and put up our walls.
Swimming in the void we lose our selves but we find it all
When you lose small mind you free your life
(anyone know the name of the song this is from)

The source is bright and endless
She resucitates the hopeless
Without her we are lifeless satelites drifting.
(Reflection - Tool :laugh:)

You will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all imagined and all conceivable :grin:


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Re: Things you've come to believe.. [Re: Revelation]
    #1155958 - 12/19/02 07:29 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Great thread Rev! 5 shrooms from me on it.

1. God exists.

2. Man and the universe exists.

3. There is life after death.

4. Most interpersonal problems are simply a lack of love.

5. Evolution as an overarching paradigm is false.

6. Philosophy is the King of the Sciences.

Plenty of others but these are the most important ones to me.


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Re: Things you've come to believe.. [Re: Swami]
    #1156601 - 12/19/02 11:55 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I'm not sure how you are confused, Swami... but

I meant there is some sort of energy, whether it be dormant in humans or in the trees or a figment of the imagination, I dont know, but whatever it is, it has existed as long as life has. That's why I say it is timeless. It didn't just pop up somewhere in history and it won't just disappear. And when I say you can only feel it for a brief moment, I mean you are conscious of it for only short periods of time, not that it only exists in those periods... Actually, I can only speak for myself on that one. I would bet some of the big meditators feel it alot more. However I am only catching glimpses of it at this point in time. I would call it divinity I guess, and art is the most controlled medium to get in touch with it.

Im not very good at explaining things but I hope this makes more sense to you and anyone else.


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Re: Things you've come to believe.. [Re: 3eyedgod]
    #1156605 - 12/20/02 12:00 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

That's ?rials of course :smile:


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