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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: gandalf579]
    #9684994 - 01/26/09 08:04 PM (15 years, 4 days ago)

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Just think of the spray this way, with pepper spray against humans, sometimes it works and sometimes the guy ignores it and keeps on coming. It doesn't bother some people. Now imagine a grizzly doing that. Which would you prefer? Gun or spray? 




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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Icelander]
    #9685026 - 01/26/09 08:10 PM (15 years, 4 days ago)

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You forgot buffalo. Very tasty. I have only eaten black bear and it was greasy. I like elk and deer. I actually like mouse and raccoon. I have always wanted to try wild boar.




  Ya, I did forget about buffalo, it is pretty good but a little on the lean side. Wild boar is pretty much like domestic hogs but it is leaner and has a way stronger taste to it. Some find it to be too "gammy" but I don't. I like to make bacon and hams with it, smoked pork chops, and I like to braise the tender loins and serve them with mushrooms, potatoes and onions. And salt and pepper of course.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9687647 - 01/27/09 09:20 AM (15 years, 4 days ago)

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Any one know how effective bear spray is?




I have just done some extensive research on bear spray. It's not that effective but can help. Often the bears will leave off an initial attack but may come back and the second spraying is usually not effective. Those bears are some bad boys.

Also the advice to play dead or try to climb a tree is poor advice according to statistics. Bears are just too fast for climbing trees to be effective unless you have a great tree and you are right under it and over a hundred yards lead to get high enough. Playing dead can get you killed. The advice now is to stand your ground but don't act aggressive or stare. Don't look directly at the bear and never ever run. You can talk softly. Of course you will have to clean the shit out of your pants when it's all over. I have had several standoffs with blacks but couldn't imagine doing it close up and personal with a Grizzly.:whoa:

Also to take Bear spray over the border from US to Canada it must say "Bear protection spray" on the canister.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Icelander]
    #9689098 - 01/27/09 02:34 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

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Any one know how effective bear spray is?




I have just done some extensive research on bear spray. It's not that effective but can help. Often the bears will leave off an initial attack but may come back and the second spraying is usually not effective. Those bears are some bad boys.

Also the advice to play dead or try to climb a tree is poor advice according to statistics. Bears are just too fast for climbing trees to be effective unless you have a great tree and you are right under it and over a hundred yards lead to get high enough. Playing dead can get you killed. The advice now is to stand your ground but don't act aggressive or stare. Don't look directly at the bear and never ever run. You can talk softly. Of course you will have to clean the shit out of your pants when it's all over. I have had several standoffs with blacks but couldn't imagine doing it close up and personal with a Grizzly.:whoa:





When I was treeplanting we had a big course on what to do in case we encountered a bear or mountain lion.  With Black bears you can actually afford to get a little aggressive with (ie yelling, throwing stuff at it, etc...) as they are smaller bears, and while they could still fuck you up, they have evolved along side grizzles (in this area anyway) so have a pronounced flight reflex.  Grizzles on the other hand... if one charges you with the intent of eating/harming you, you're pretty much fuckered.  The other thing they said, if you ever see a mountain lion, it has been watching you for some time already.  You will never accidentally come across one.     


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Also to take Bear spray over the border from US to Canada it must say "Bear protection spray" on the canister.




I live in Canada just south of Vancouver, so no problem there. :smile:

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9689404 - 01/27/09 03:26 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

The research on black bears stated that the only time to "play dead" is if you have determined that the bear is a mother protecting her cubs. Otherwise stand up to the bear and fight if necessary.

I once woke up to a black bear sniffing my face. I was in Upper Michigan and I was sleeping in a open tarp tent. I screamed right into the bears face and by the time I got myself up on one elbow to look that bear was fifty yards away and slowing down and taking a look back to see WTF happened.:lol: I was so tired I fell back asleep right away.

I tend to be extremely cautious around all wild critters. Better safe is my motto, especially as I'm usually solo.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9689698 - 01/27/09 04:13 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

When it comes to Black bears, you can stand up tall and yell like hell at it to scare it away but ONLY if it's not a momma bear with cubs. She will stand and fight to protect her cubs, she'll stand and fight a full grown male bear to save her cubs, a human stands no chance. Never try to get away from a Black bear by climbing a tree, it's not so heavy so that the tree limbs will support it and it will follow you up! And never ever turn your back on any type of bear, Grizzly or Black, because it will chase you down. Playing dead will get you dead, so don't try it.

  As for Grizzlies, as long as it is fully mature, you CAN climb a tree to get away, the grizzly is too heavy and the tree limbs won't support it. Make sure the tree you run up isn't so small that he could just shake you out of it. Just keep climbing up and eventually it will lose interest in you and leave for something easier. The limbs up high that will support you won't support the grizzly because he's just so heavy and the limbs will snap. Black bears on the other hand aren't too heavy to follow you up. And never try to intimidate a grizzly, he's just as likely to accept the challenge and take you on. Grizzlies just don't scare all that easy, so keep that in mind.

  Black bears rarely reach 900 pounds where as grizzlies on the other hand can reach over 1400+ pounds. And both types can run at up to 45 miles per hour, grizzlies are a little bit slower running uphill but not by much. So don't think that you could out run one, because either one could and would chase you down and either maim or kill you. So don't try it!!!


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: gandalf579]
    #9712338 - 01/31/09 02:54 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

My gear is slowly coming together.  I went out and bought some survival kit items yesterday, and today  just bought a Swanndri 100% wool ranger sweater. 

Check it out:


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9718735 - 02/01/09 05:38 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

That's a great sweater to wear around the campfire because wool is inflammable. If a hot coal or spark lands on it you can just brush it off. Also it is great to keep you warm even if it's soaking wet. Just be careful about over heating while you wear it so that you don't end up getting dehydrated. Good buy! Don't forget to get a good quality set of rain gear. Getting soaked will make you miserable.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: gandalf579]
    #9816797 - 02/17/09 08:41 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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gandalf579 said: Smith and Wesson model 500 chambered in .50 caliber magnum was designed specifically for protection against grizzlies..... The only thing is, I don't know if it is legal in Canada, I don't know the firearm laws up there.




I did some researching about this, and I can buy one if I have my restricted lisence.  Then to carry it, I need to take a wilderness defense course, and then with the resulting certificate and proof of need, send to some MP formally requesting a permit to carry a handgun for wilderness defense...  Its a bit of a process, but I will be getting my Restricted PAL (possession and acquisition license) pretty soon, and the course is relatively inexpensive. 

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #11054711 - 09/13/09 10:20 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Lentils contain every amino acid found in meat except for 1, they are small and cook in 20 minutes.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #11363012 - 11/01/09 02:22 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Wow... just wow!  This is the first time I have had internet access since I embarked on my journey.  I started in Prince George and made my way south to Tsawwassen, wher I caught a ferry and went on to explore Vancouver Island.  I spent a good deal of time in the Pacific Rim National park, and ended up renting a 52 acre island. There is a half built cabin on the island, and the owner agreed to give it to me for $750 a month, if I would do all the final construction on the place.  My own Private Island!  How sweet is that!

I am at a public access computer right now, but when I have more time I will elaborate on the details of my travels.

(Oh, I never ended up buying a gun, didnt see any bears either)

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #11370356 - 11/02/09 03:47 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I knew a person who would go bush for 3 months at a time. Before he left I remember he brewed his own beer and baked his own bread. The bread in particular was a dense German style rye bread. They looked like bricks and weighed the same too. He had a small freezer, solar panels, four extra tyres and he told me he could travel to extremely remote places and be self sufficient for at least 4 weeks.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Lord Mayonnaise]
    #11370417 - 11/02/09 03:54 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know if using a solar powered freezer counts as "self sufficient". I mean I could say the same thing about my apartment.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: blewmeanie]
    #11432852 - 11/11/09 12:28 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

After reading this thread, all those months ago, it put a serious itch in my feet. I just got back this past Sunday. I left just north of Fairbanks Alaska back on May 1st. I went cross country from there across Canada, down to Toronto and crossed back into the U.S. at Buffalo N.Y.. I then caught a ride from there down to West Virginia, I didn't want to get into any trouble with carrying a pump shotgun with a sawed off barrel through New York or Pennsylvania.

  I would have a ton of pics to show but my camera got ruined when I tried to cross a river using an old rope bridge. I got about half way across when the damn thing snapped sending me 45 to 50 feet straight down into the fucking cold ass river. I came close to drowning because when I hit the water I had the wind knocked out of me. Luckily I was able to make it the river bank and pull myself out, after being swept down river 6-7 miles. Other than my camera and my shotgun, most of my gear was in waterproof dry bags in my backpack thankfully. I had my camera clipped to the shoulder strap of my backpack because just before I attempted to cross the river I had taken a really nice pic of a momma grizzly and her two cubs, from a good distance away of course. It took me the rest of that day and half of the night to dry everything out. I didn't have a small enough screwdriver to take apart my camera and try to save it. I did try to save the memory card but my fingers were so numb by the time I got the card out of my camera that when I turned back to the fire I dropped it into the fire. That pissed me off so much that I slammed the camera into a tree and it ended up in a bunch of little pieces.

  Except for the camera incident and a few times that I went hungry, all in all it was a really good trip. I had a couple of close calls with a couple of skunks but luckily I didn't get sprayed. I'm still recovering from the trip though. I ended up losing close to 65 pounds, I went from a starting weight of 215 down to 152. I made the mistake of when I got home I ate a really big meal, 2 double bacon cheeseburgers, close to a pound a french fries and a large strawberry milkshake. That meal is really big only in comparison to the size of my meals for the past six months. I ended that night with alternating from puking and diarrhea. That lasted until Monday afternoon when I was able to get some medicine in me. I'm able to keep small meals down as long as it's not greasy, I just eat several small meals a day. It will be a while before I get back to eating the size of meals that I use to eat, hopefully before Thanksgiving gets here.

  Like I said, all in all it was a really good trip. I took a satellite phone with me so that I was able to get resupplied regularly and I planned ahead pretty good. I made good decisions along the way and made it home safe. Good decisions except for not putting my camera in its dry bag before I attempted to cross that damn river, won't ever happen again. I think I'm going to stick with the smaller 30-40 day trips instead of another 6 month trip. Too much happens in that length of time. It's great to be back in civilization!


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: gandalf579]
    #11444816 - 11/12/09 09:58 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Holy shit man! That's crazy as fuck.. you're lucky you survived!
Sounds like the trip of a lifetime  :slider:


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Shroomism]
    #11451383 - 11/13/09 11:14 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Ya, it was a pretty good trip. The only time I was in any real danger was when I tried crossing that damn river. At the time I had a backpack weighing around 60 pounds strapped to my back (a little more than 1/4 of my body weight at the time.). All in all it was a good trip thanks to proper training and good planning. If I do it again hopefully I'll be able to plan it better and won't lose so much weight. It takes me forever to put it back on.

  After going through all of the bills earlier today I figure that my trip cost me close to $10,000. That includes my supplies that were flown to different spots for pick up, the cost of the pilot and fuel and, the most expensive of them all, the cost of making calls on my satellite phone. There's over $6,000 on that bill alone! Shit! I forgot about the guy who took care of my animals and cut my grass while I was gone. That's probably close to another grand. And I need to remember to get another camera, got to have a camera.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: gandalf579]
    #11489553 - 11/19/09 10:19 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: nachohippie]
    #11533730 - 11/26/09 07:19 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

haha all of this talk reminds me of this pic



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