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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Hippie3]
    #1269922 - 02/02/03 03:52 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

if its true that mycelim prefer the innard of the corn, then perhaps it would be bennoficial to hull the corn prior to soaking.

the guy at my local home brew store is pretty laid back, don't think he's mind if i hulled some corn with his ....uh huller (is that what they call them?)
i'll innoculate these alongside so unhulled corn, see what goes down.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: MeltingPenguin]
    #1269932 - 02/02/03 04:09 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

>that's why i think its a good idea to wait until after germination to shake, makes
>finding source of contaim much more simple, wouldn't you agree?
You see the contamination anyway, if you shake it or not.
If you shake it after inoculation, the overall colonization time will be shorter


>Too much heat?! yeah, i've gotten my worst bacteria contaims when the incubator
>ran too hot. that's never happened to you?
Oh, I misunderstood your statement, sorry.
Yes, true, a too hot incubator isn?t good.
One thing you should take into account though: The bacteria are already present, it?s just that they grow faster at a higher temperature.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: vatoloco]
    #1270088 - 02/02/03 06:42 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

What about using ground corn and say verm?


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: jman69er]
    #1270259 - 02/02/03 07:53 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

What about if you?d read this thread from the start :wink: 


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1270673 - 02/02/03 10:35 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I've had success with 50% popcorn 50% millet . I know theres no reason it would'nt have worked, but IMO it is definitely a good way of getting the millet to colonize quicker. heres a link to Pan Cyans on popcorn/millet if you have'nt already seen it in the Grow log forum.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Anno]
    #1270821 - 02/02/03 11:44 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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You see the contamination anyway, if you shake it or not.
If you shake it after inoculation, the overall colonization time will be shorter



of course if it comtaminated your screwed no matter what

i'm jsut saying that i've found it to be of my advantage to wait until mycelim appears at injection site. then if the contaim is from the needles, it will appear only at the injection site. if from insufficeinet sterlization then it would be all over, or in other places, and if from a bum filter, it would start near the top.

of course i use bags, so i can just kneed the colonized grain throughout the bag, were as with jars the colonized grain would be hard to break up.(i know my spelling is makeing you cringe, sorry hehe)


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: MeltingPenguin]
    #1271076 - 02/02/03 01:29 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I agree. As a method of tracking the contamination source, ok.
But as a standard procedure, not necessary.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: vatoloco]
    #1271078 - 02/02/03 01:29 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Agreed. Good point MP.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: MeltingPenguin]
    #1271381 - 02/02/03 04:15 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

When i inoculate grain with sporewater, i find that if i don't shake the sporewater will collect at the bottom.
I guess in bags you don't have that problem...

Can this water at the bottom be a problem concerning bacterial contamination?

It would be nice to know if my last batch of pan cyan jars contaminated b/c of the syringes...


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: esin]
    #1271459 - 02/02/03 04:51 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

its easier for bacteria to grow where water is built up. however, if your jars are properly sterilized, bacteria should not be a problem, excess water or not.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: esin]
    #1271467 - 02/02/03 04:52 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

and yet still none of this pertains to agar/popcorn...

I will post my results soon, but the way this thread is going Im getting nervous... I just got rid of a bout of the green I dont want any red or black :smile:

where is hippie?

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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: MeltingPenguin]
    #1272671 - 02/03/03 05:09 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

MeltingPenguin have you looked into hulling some corn? I would be interested if this would prove helpful.

I'm nobody.


BTW -- "Huller" is correct.
Quote:

tr.v. hulled, hull*ing, hulls
To remove the hulls of (fruit or seeds).




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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: vatoloco]
    #1272677 - 02/03/03 05:11 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

all this talk of not draining enough. why not just boil less in the first place. or figuring out how much water to add at the start. no soaking or preboiling, just add x grams to y ml water and PC. mine look like they got too much water. i pced at a low pressure for 40mins, when i drained hardly anything came off. my bag got a hole so i had to put them in a jar in the microwave with added water.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: blackout]
    #1272698 - 02/03/03 05:19 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I was under the impression that soaking was to help kill off the endospores.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: ]
    #1272769 - 02/03/03 05:53 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

soaking lets some of the endospores germinate so they are killed easier. it isnt neccesary if you pc for long enough though. lots of rye recipies are just for pcing with no preboiling or soaking


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: MeltingPenguin]
    #1273156 - 02/03/03 08:15 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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vatoloco are you at a high altitude? you need to PC longer, try 2 1/2 hours at 15 psi don't go over 15 cause your PC could dry out(mine would)




15 psi in a pc at sea level is 15 psi in a pc at 10,000 feet is 15 psi in a pc in orbit around jupiter. in other words: elevation has no bearing on the length of time to cook in a pressure cooker.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Bilge]
    #1273329 - 02/03/03 09:02 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Not true.


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