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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: shroomerman]
    #1211444 - 01/12/03 10:07 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

>Are they circles of material that are the size of the metal lids? Do they go under
>the regular metal lids, or are they used alone?

They are either exactly the size of the lid or larger.
In both cases the lid should have a hole(around 1/2 inch) and then the filter is placed over the opening and the lid is screwed on the jar holding the filter in place.

Also take a look at polyfill filters:

www.fungifun.org/polyfill


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: shroomerman]
    #1211475 - 01/12/03 10:28 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: deanofmean]
    #1212256 - 01/12/03 04:48 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

I thanks everyone very much. I ended up getting the polyfill shit from walmart. Now i will redo these jars. i'll keep you posted on how it goes. :grin: Peace.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: shroomerman]
    #1213245 - 01/13/03 03:49 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

good luck, let us know how it grows.
i just made up another 6 pounds of popcorn so we'll know more in the near future. this time i'm going to use the spawn on some dung+straw.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Hippie3]
    #1216125 - 01/14/03 12:07 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Hippie3]
    #1216224 - 01/14/03 02:09 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

update.
interesting phenomenon.
last week i made 7 quarts, that's all my pc holds.
4 were popcorn, 3 were rye.
just checked this AM.
the popcorn jars were about 40-50% colonized,
while the rye jars all had growth in much smaller areas, more like 10-20% colonized.
they had been shaken once, at inoculation time, to spred the spore solution, the South American strain was used.
one more interesting fact, the rye jars were actually a bit warmer than the popcorn in the incubator as they were closer to the heat source [a light bulb].


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Hippie3]
    #1216302 - 01/14/03 03:48 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Is it possible that they just appear more colonized, since pop corn is so dense, i think the mycelium is just colonizing the outside of the grain and not really penetrating into it, like with millet or rye!!

I made 3 jars of pop corn 2 days ago and will shoot them up tonight, i hope i got the water content right.

I gently boiled the corn for over 1 hr, i kept adding more water as it evaporated and absorbed in the grain, ( i boiled until i could take a kernel and easily break it with my teeth. )

I let this strain for an hour or so, then loaded in jars, they looked kind of dry to me, so i injected 1 CC of water before pc'ing.

they look ok so far. yipee!!

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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Curious_George]
    #1216344 - 01/14/03 04:34 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

in truth, the mycellia doesn't quickly penetrate the interior, even of softer grains like rye.
all you need anyway is for the outside to colonize, then it's safe to case/spawn, etc.
then as time goes by the mycellia can slowly extract the contents from the interior, as it does with birdseed.



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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Hippie3]
    #1217349 - 01/14/03 10:56 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

just wondering if i could do the popcorn without a PC.

Im pretty sure it would work.. somebody give me a reason why it wont.
1) simmer for 10min to 30min
2) soak for 24hr
3) repeat step 1 and 2 a couple of times (10min first time, 20 second time, 30 third time)
4) strain half hour
5) jar
6) boil jars 1 hour

I dont see any reason why any type of contam would be able to withstand that much boiling. The temps should be able to penetrate a kernal of corn.. why not?

I doubt anyone else has experience with this, so i guess my answere will have to come from trial and (most likely) error.

ohwell, i love it all, its all fun.
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: DrJoseph]
    #1217420 - 01/14/03 11:15 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

just wondering if i could do the popcorn without a PC.

Im pretty sure it would work.. somebody give me a reason why it wont.
1) simmer for 10min to 30min
2) soak for 24hr
3) repeat step 1 and 2 a couple of times (10min first time, 20 second time, 30 third time)
4) strain half hour
5) jar
6) boil jars 1 hour

I dont see any reason why any type of contam would be able to withstand that much boiling. The temps should be able to penetrate a kernal of corn.. why not?

I doubt anyone else has experience with this, so i guess my answere will have to come from trial and (most likely) error.

ohwell, i love it all, its all fun.
peace





you should do fractional sterilization then, read faq for more info...


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: DrJoseph]
    #1219738 - 01/15/03 04:15 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

DrJoseph: It has been done..with both succses and failure.
But it is possible..no doubt.

peace...


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    #1220708 - 01/15/03 10:42 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Hippie3]
    #1222564 - 01/16/03 03:56 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

update.
the 4 popcorn quarts i mentioned a couple days ago,
well, i shook them up to spred the mycellia and now 2 days later they're about 80% done.
look-
i'm pretty impressed with the speed at which it recovered and re-grew.
one oddity, the kernels covered with mycellia are getting darker colored, more like yellow popcorn even tho' i'm using white.
the mycellia also seems to favor the kernels that i managed to burst/crack open, as i can plainly see the mycellia on the crack. makes some sense as that's where the food really is, inside. might be that we'll want to make popcorn burst, but more research is needed b4 conclusions should be drawn.
here's another popcorn tray ready to pick, 1st flush. this is the 2nd tray to get this far, i've got 3 that are a few days behind and several newer ones still not yet pinning.




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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Alien]
    #1222620 - 01/16/03 04:31 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

pretty nice, alien.
i think it could use a few pix, if possible.
you can use any of mine, if you want,
just credit the source, if you would.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Hippie3]
    #1222711 - 01/16/03 05:34 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Hippie3 what did u case em with? 50/50? ive got a couple of jars like the ones in your picture, and that looks like a very decent flush  :shocked: . Also how deep a substrate layer?

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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Wheedhead!]
    #1222760 - 01/16/03 05:58 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

that's a basic pie tin casing,
i kept it simple to make the experiment more reliable.
it was made by pouring 1 quart of popcorn in a pie tin, 9 inch dia i believe, then i cased it with coir/verm to the rim, so the grain is about an inch deep with about an inch of casing on top.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Hippie3]
    #1223008 - 01/16/03 08:06 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)



Here are the popcorn jars I prepared. I have 16 in there hanging out in what will soon be my new incubator. Each has a polyfill filter in the lid, and covered with tinfoil to stop the contams. I am letting them sit for 3 days to look for contams, and this is the third day.No contams and I will innoculate tonight.

I had trouble with my submersible aquarium heater. I hooked up the incubator to test it out before use and glad I did. After an hour and the water seemed to not be getting any warmer I took out the heater to examine it and the insides had CONDENSATION inside!!! I was scared as fuck, as I had just reached in the water with basically a live wire in it!!!

So I go back to wallymart, and in 24 hours they sold the other 10 submersible aquarium hearers. A special thank you to the fellow shroomerite who undoubtedly did this!! (you know if it's you.) And the guy at wallymart said " yes, we also sold out a whole pallet of rubbermaids too. So he knew what was up.. :grin:

Now I have to cruise to a different wallymart to hopefully get a new heater. :mad: I'll keep ya posted on how this grow goes, very interesting idea to use popcorn!!!

BTW I wonder what watt I should get? I had the biggest, a 200W, and am planning on getting it again, because you can adjust them anyway, but is a 200w overkill? Thanks for all the help peeps! :laugh:


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: shroomerman]
    #1223432 - 01/16/03 11:36 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

dude, you freaked over an hour with-out change in temp, usually take mine half the night to get the water warm, and yes, mine has some condensation inside.. did you notice any visible cracks or chips in the glass?


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Hippie3]
    #1223493 - 01/16/03 12:06 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

so you would just use plain popcorn, no verm.?


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: ShroomBoarder]
    #1223511 - 01/16/03 12:13 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

this is a whole grain tek, not like pf cakes.
no verm. is added to the popcorn while it's in the jar.
the popcorn should be either used spawn or cased to fruit, verm can be used then as a casing, plain or mixed with coir or peat+lime, etc.


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