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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: indicaz]
    #1203697 - 01/09/03 10:15 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

No TEK Written yet...props goes to "sparks" of the swedish forum www.magiskamolekyler.org for the idea and bringing it to our attention.[hes been growing since before the internet was a comon thing, so he made up a TEK that works great.]

Add simmer for an hour in the above post and you got it..
Works both with syringe multispore and agar innoc.
Kernels break apart easily..

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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: stonErollEr1]
    #1203888 - 01/09/03 12:03 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

first of all nice tattoo!!! is that that dude from the lord of the rings, ya know the one that lost his precious? or is it just a gargoyle type thing, either way freakin awesome!

now for the q, when using popcorn kernals, do you want them to break open before you inc?


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: NSKiller]
    #1204013 - 01/09/03 12:50 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I assume in answer to the last question, you wouldnt want the kernals to burst... doing so would open a doorway for contams.



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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Raadt]
    #1204429 - 01/09/03 03:41 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

true, points of inoculation are important.
but in truth, there's no reason why one could not get just as many points of innoculation with popcorn as with millet. you'd simply have to spawn with a larger volume of popcorn until you get the same number of kernels, which incidently would provide the substrate with even more food, since each kernel of popcorn is more massive than a kernel of millet, etc. so, perhaps, you'd just use 3-4 quarts of colonized popcorn instead of 2 quarts of rye. no real big deal, as the food still gets used eventually. yield would be increased, points of inoculation remain constant, with greater total mycellial surface area, a win-win situation. just uses a few more jars, and a bit more grain, both of which are cheap enough.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: stonErollEr1]
    #1204447 - 01/09/03 03:47 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

not to take anything away from 'sparks' who brought the popcorn to our attention. but technically, from what i read, they don't actually know who originally 'discovered' the popcorn tek, it's been around a long time over there, apparently, and the real inventor's name is long lost.
plz correct me, if i'm wrong, but that was my understanding of it.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: NSKiller]
    #1204501 - 01/09/03 04:01 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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...now for the q, when using popcorn kernals, do you want them to break open ...



no, the starchy interior is hard for mycellia to colonize, and is too dense, creating anerobic conditions which can favor the breeding of certain bacteria. so in general you want to avoid burst grains. i was merely 'testing the limits', experimenting, when i burst mine like that. i still inoc'd it, with mexi-cub, because i want to see how it goes, it may be ok, but until we know for sure you should avoid it.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: indicaz]
    #1204536 - 01/09/03 04:09 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Anyone Have a Popcorn Tek written yet?????

soak the grain for24 hrs
simmer on a very low boil for 1 hour
Strain and let drain for a half hour
Fill jars 2/3's full
Pressure cook for 60-90 mins
Innoculate once cooled fully

you use a syringe or agar, karo/honey tek, etc.

the kernals should be shaken/broken up
every so often during the initial growth in the jar





there, i just edited your post a bit and voila! a simple popcorn tek


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Hippie3]
    #1204817 - 01/09/03 05:18 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

thanks for the info guys!  :smile:  also, is there a benifit to letting the popcorn kernals soak for longer periods of time, or would they get water logged??  Time is no factor, my friend would rather have better shrooms, even if he had to wait.
 


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Hippie3]
    #1204911 - 01/09/03 05:45 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I think you're supposed to boil them once for just a minute before you soak 24 hours.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Hippie3]
    #1205542 - 01/09/03 10:03 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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not to take anything away from 'sparks' who brought the popcorn to our attention. but technically, from what i read, they don't actually know who originally 'discovered' the popcorn tek, it's been around a long time over there, apparently, and the real inventor's name is long lost.
plz correct me, if i'm wrong, but that was my understanding of it. 




I?m am a friend of sparks since a while and i?m from "there" aswell..so i know for a fact that he made up the idea and TEK.
Why he came up with it was that there was a bitch to get hold of other grains at the time in Sweden and verm was even harder..
The guy actually convinced fanaticus to mail him verm and brf from US to Sweden. :laugh:
That was before they had a website..
Anyways sparks is the inventor of the TEK and yes its been around for a while, i think ralphster can verify the TEK from the now non existant forum NSS..[Nordic Shroom Service.]

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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: stonErollEr1]
    #1205557 - 01/09/03 10:06 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

And it doesnt matter if the kernels break since it do relese
starch witch helps germinating the spores...aslong as it is PC:ed good there wouldnt be a problem.

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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: NSKiller]
    #1205867 - 01/10/03 03:47 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

i let some soak for a week and the grains still did not burst so i imagine one could safely soak an extra day or two if desired. they did not seem to get water-logged at all, they did swell up quite a bit though.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1205870 - 01/10/03 03:51 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

i hadn't heard that, but i can see why it's recommended, still i don't think it much matters as i skipped that and still got my popcorn to colonize and fruit.
that seems to be one of popcorn's advantages, it's very tolerant of water soaking and boiling.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Hippie3]
    #1205948 - 01/10/03 05:12 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Yep it sure is.
One dont have to worry about water logging..the water content is just right from soaking and simmering it..

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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: stonErollEr1]
    #1206180 - 01/10/03 07:19 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I have been following this thread, and I have a few bags of popcorn ready to go. Forgive my noobness, but my question is can I use regular tap water for this, or should I get a jug of distilled water?


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: shroomerman]
    #1206197 - 01/10/03 07:31 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

tap water should be fine.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Bilge]
    #1206251 - 01/10/03 08:01 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

You'll be sterilizing the materials anyway. The water in the grain in the jars will sterilize once you PC it.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: EthnoJimmy]
    #1206327 - 01/10/03 08:40 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks guys, I was more concerned with fungus inhibiting chemicals being in the tap water (rather than contams), but if you say it's ok I'll take your words for it. :smile: 


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: shroomerman]
    #1206559 - 01/10/03 10:29 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

that's what i figured. all the chlorine, flouride and who knows what else. but my experience is that the fungi doesn't care...at least it has no problem with the water in my town.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Bilge]
    #1206694 - 01/10/03 11:21 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I use tap water with no problems also...


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