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 Amanita_Dreamer
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 Re: Popcorn as grain substrate?  [Re: vas]
#1587491 - 05/29/03 04:34 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yep... The popcorn i've noticed as it becomes colonized turns a reddish color. Some people mistake this for lipstick mold and thow away spawn jars. I thought the same thing till I saw the diffrence....colonized popcorn eventhough turning reddish in hue still will still have white mycellium all around it.
When they grow rhizomorpic around a kernal of popcorn it's like little white tentacles wrapping around each kernal consuming it...pretty cool thing to see!
I think it depends on the moisture content of your jars, the genetic stength, incubation temps, and incubation duration. I've had some like Cambodians, and more recently Elephant's Gate that do colonize very fast and very densly with VERY white VERY THICK mycellium. 
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 vas
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I've had my corn like that for over a week and I thought it wasn't 100% cos its not the same as the pics I've seen of other TEKS. 
Corn isn't totally consumed be growth forming an even cake, it takes the shape of the corn and creates lumps. Am I correct?
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: vas]
#1590276 - 05/29/03 08:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Basically yes, it will colonize the outside of the corn and hold the shape. But, some strains will fill the void between the kernals with very thick mycelium.
I have had some jars of popcorn that you could still see the reddish kernals through the mycelium and others that all you could see was one big white chunk. If mycelium is covering all the kernals, then it is time to birth that sucker and get on with it.
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vas
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: ATWAR]
#1595515 - 05/31/03 03:09 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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One thing I figured out from popcorn is don't over do in with the jar shaking "one time or two is ok, more then that gona take years to colonize"
I did a little experiment with 3 sets of 3 jars. The first set I didn't shake, the second I shook ones, and the third 3 times. The first one colonized pretty fast with no shaking, the second colonized much faster then the first and the thirds still not finished. about a month!!
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: ATWAR]
#1595518 - 05/31/03 03:10 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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One thing I figured out from popcorn is don't over do in with the jar shaking "one time or two is ok, more then that gona take years to colonize"
I did a little experiment with 3 sets of 3 jars. The first set I didn't shake, the second I shook ones, and the third 3 times. The first one colonized pretty fast with no shaking, the second colonized much faster then the first and the thirds still not finished. !!!A month!!
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: vas]
#1597737 - 06/01/03 05:42 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have tried the popcorn method.
But i wanted to skip the soak and simmering part,
so i took canned corn.
About 3 weeks ago i made 6 jars.
Up to now nothing at all showed up in the jars,
no mycelium, no contamination, nothing at all.
(corn now looks a bit dry and have kind of red color)
I supposed, the productionprosses, of making canned corn
only involves water and corn, that is boiled to very high
temperatures, and then immideatly after that is canned.
(I saw a documentary about it some time ago, there they
said, nothing else like additives is being used in this
procedure)
Now i wonder, why nothing at all grows in the jars.
(Spores are ok, and jars were totally roomtemp then injecting)
I have the suspicion, that maybe some kind of preservation
additive was in the corn cans, but it stated on the label:
only water and corn used.
Anybody might have an idea, why nothing grows in there ?
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 Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Kertiner]
#1600507 - 06/02/03 05:23 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Part of the process in canned corn is that they add preservitives. These preserves are chemicals designed to be edible AND to inhibit mold growth. I don't think you'll ever see ANYTHING grow. IMHO.....I could be wrong.
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: GratefulDread]
#1600822 - 06/02/03 09:52 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ok I might as well hop in here with my opinion. I boil my popcorn for two hours(on low boil). I then let the popcorn soak 24 hours. Then I drain into a collander and pour onto a dry beach towel and drain some more until it no longer glistens. I then load up my jars with polyfill lids and tinfoil hats and pc for one hour. I have had good results doing it this way after spending several months struggling with wbs. I usually double end case into bread pans with coco coir. I incubate both my jars and casings in a standard rubbermaid with a heating pad on top and cover with blankets. I should clarify here that my jar incubator is on the bottom with the heating pad on top of it and my casing incubator sits on top of the heating pad and several blankets cover that. I have to keep the tinfoil hats on my jars so they do not dry out too much from the heating pad. Sometimes the top kernels do get too dry and I have to spoon them out before I case. I do not get monster shrooms or yields, but I am satisfied as I do not sell my shrooms. Each standard bread pan gives me about ten grams cracker dry shrooms per flush. I should mention that I mist my casings until pins appear, then I back off until they start growing good and then I start misting again.
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: groingrinder]
#1603534 - 06/03/03 03:50 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Ok I might as well hop in here with my opinion. I boil my popcorn for two hours(on low boil). I then let the popcorn soak 24 hours. Then I drain into a collander and pour onto a dry beach towel and drain some more until it no longer glistens. I then load up my jars with polyfill lids and tinfoil hats and pc for one hour. I have had good results doing it this way after spending several months struggling with wbs. I usually double end case into bread pans with coco coir. I incubate both my jars and casings in a standard rubbermaid with a heating pad on top and cover with blankets. I should clarify here that my jar incubator is on the bottom with the heating pad on top of it and my casing incubator sits on top of the heating pad and several blankets coverthat.
I have to keep the tinfoil hats on my jars so they do not dry out too much from the heating pad. Sometimes the top kernels do get too dry and I have to spoon them out before I case. I do not get monster shrooms or yields, but I am satisfied as I do not sell my shrooms. Each standard bread pan gives me about ten grams cracker dry shrooms per flush. I should mention that I mist my casings until pins appear, then I back off until they start growing good and then I start misting again.
good idea, afoaf is going to try this to the "T" using arrowhead brand popcorn. reposting with results...
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: pussycontrol]
#1610371 - 06/05/03 04:51 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I got something 4 you popcorn growers that might be interesting.
Yesterday I dunked popcorn and it fucked up, breaking to separate kernels. After thinking about what happened last night I came up with a conclusion. It is not safe to dump popcorn at birth because of the shape of the kernels; the mycelium network stretches from kernel to kernel and upon watering (DUNKING) it falls back, releasing its grip.
Popcorn hasn't got the same consistency as PF cake, forming a solid bond. Personally I believe its not as sturdy. Correct me if I'm wrong!
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: vas]
#1610799 - 06/05/03 09:25 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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i've dunked popcorn with success, in quarts.
just fill quart with water, BEFORE breaking up the popcorn,
let it sit overnight [in the fridge preferably] then invert and drain. i observed no problems such as you describe.
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Hippie3]
#1610863 - 06/05/03 10:41 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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i was going to make cakes of it not casing.
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: vas]
#1612833 - 06/05/03 09:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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i see,
no vermiculite in your cake to hold it all together ?
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Hippie3]
#1613865 - 06/06/03 04:37 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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no, just popcorn!
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: vas]
#1616228 - 06/07/03 09:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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i think you'll find that it won't fruit nearly as well uncased as a pure grain cake. at the very least you'll want to case the ends of the cake in verm. as per pf's double end casing tek.
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Hippie3]
#1623655 - 06/10/03 02:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You dont grow out grain like pf cakes. Grain is used because it provides thousands of innoculation points and is used for casing. I had bad results with rye and millet. Almost half of the jars would stall. All I did was soak for 24 Hrs, Boil a hour, run cold water over grain to wash off shit, and drained for an hour. Ive got 20% colonixation 5 days after multi-spore Innoc. With Bs, and rye, spores wouldent germinate after 5 days. I think Its becaus the popcorn isint as compact and close togerther as the rye and birdseed. Thanks baby Hitler!
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: resin]
#1624105 - 06/10/03 06:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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lol
thx for explaining that to me.
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: resin]
#1624532 - 06/10/03 09:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Doesnt the washing part ruin the sterile state of the grain?
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: jonas]
#1625347 - 06/11/03 01:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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i dont think it was sterile to begin with
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resin
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All the 1st shits for water content. You sterilize it completely during Pc'ing. Dident need to explain it to you hippy 
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