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 buckwheat
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 Re: Popcorn as grain substrate?  [Re: Oscuro_lobo]
#1548970 - 05/14/03 06:10 PM (20 years, 11 months ago) |
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i didnt read this whole post.but wouldnt a popcorn cake be edible would you trip?
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 Amanita_Dreamer
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: buckwheat]
#1549448 - 05/14/03 09:37 PM (20 years, 11 months ago) |
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Its probable edible ...and you would probably see GOD!.....that is after you puked your fuckn guts out from the taste...besides what if you eat a contam you couldn't see on the corn or mycellium....that probably wouldnt be very pleasant.
Just grow em out you'll have prints to make more later! Not to mention nice tasty mushies!
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: buckwheat]
#1550354 - 05/15/03 07:15 AM (20 years, 11 months ago) |
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there just isn't much mycellia in a cake,
and that mycellia is low potency at best.
so it's hardly worthwhile to eat a cake,
but you could extract the magic from several cakes to make a tea/juice of reasonable strength.
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Hippie3]
#1553432 - 05/16/03 04:27 AM (20 years, 11 months ago) |
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1. Aight, so I simmered some kernals for 30minutes
2. drained em for a minute
3. loaded em in the jars n put tinfoil then a lid over it
4. PCed for 45min
5.let sit the night
6.Inoc the next day
7.put in incubator
AM I ON THE RIGHT TRACK???
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Cracka_X]
#1553459 - 05/16/03 06:06 AM (20 years, 11 months ago) |
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you forgot to rinse the grain after boiling.
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Amanita_Dreamer
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Hippie3]
#1554011 - 05/16/03 12:31 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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how much does rinsing after boiling help? What does that do?
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^ removes all the starch and shit.
lots of people have found rinsing the grain to greatly increase the chance of success.
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Hippie3]
#1554980 - 05/16/03 08:12 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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you forgot to rinse the grain after boiling.
Are you fucking serious?!?!?
Well I only did three jars and I have one that hasn't been pced yet and is sittin in the fridge so I'll be sure to rinse next time.
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 Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Cracka_X]
#1555003 - 05/16/03 08:23 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cracka = neewbie 
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Edited by TxTec (05/16/03 08:24 PM)
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Anno
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Hippie3]
#1555615 - 05/17/03 01:40 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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In my attempts I never rinsed the grain and it worked just fine except for the one time where I had bacterial contamination in like 12 jars... 
Actually, I just harvested some more fruits from 2 of the casings I started on the march 17, the other 2 succumbed to green some 10 days ago.
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Anno]
#1555790 - 05/17/03 06:32 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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I thought you were contam resistant Anno!
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Anno
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: TxTec]
#1555797 - 05/17/03 06:37 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am, but my jars arent
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Hippie3
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Anno]
#1555816 - 05/17/03 07:19 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
In my attempts I never rinsed the grain and it worked just fine except for the one time where I had bacterial contamination in like 12 jars...
Actually, I just harvested some more fruits from 2 of the casings I started on the march 17, the other 2 succumbed to green some 10 days ago.
ouch, i know the feeling.
it seems many skip the rinse and still turn out ok.
but there are enough cases of failure, like your 12 quarts, that i think it's just a good precaution to take. just to minimize the risks.
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: TxTec]
#1555846 - 05/17/03 07:52 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Cracka = neewbie
shhh, I've only had 2 grows
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Cracka_X]
#1555921 - 05/17/03 09:12 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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A friend of mine is going to try this new method, but with cracked corn....
Comparing the 2 teks (Corn vs. Cracked Corn), it seems that the 24 hour soaking is not necessary, but only a 35 min boil would do just fine...
I'm assuming the reason for this is that the kernels are already cracked and open, so water absorbtion can be reached faster.
Any thought?
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Teknion]
#1556659 - 05/17/03 06:40 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, I checked my jars today which were inoculated on Thursday and there was no colonization being taken place... Maybe I didn't wait long enough but usually after 3 days I see a white circle forming. The corn was barely cracked and I think that's the idea with PCin it(not in jars) first.
SOOOOO TODAY: I took the corn from the jars and PCed them for an hour. After that all the kernals were soft and cracked open. I then put the kernals in a strainer where I ran water through the kernals to RINSE them off. After rinsing, I loaded them into the jars. I put a piece of tin-foil on then the lid of the jar and PCed it for 45minutes.
Now I wait for tomorrow to inoculate, I'll report back if I seein mycelium.
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and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Cracka_X]
#1557127 - 05/17/03 11:02 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wait, so you took the innoculated corn out and PC'ed it again?
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: pseudopod]
#1557341 - 05/18/03 02:45 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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yes indeed, PCing it again will kill the spores but the kernals are softer and the shell has broked so i should hope for the better results
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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao ~Daodejing
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Hippie3]
#1557383 - 05/18/03 04:55 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
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In my attempts I never rinsed the grain and it worked just fine except for the one time where I had bacterial contamination in like 12 jars...
Actually, I just harvested some more fruits from 2 of the casings I started on the march 17, the other 2 succumbed to green some 10 days ago.
ouch, i know the feeling.
it seems many skip the rinse and still turn out ok.
but there are enough cases of failure, like your 12 quarts, that i think it's just a good precaution to take. just to minimize the risks.
Wow even you guys too?? I once lost 18 Quarts  ...I must say rinsing IS a good idea. I mean what can it hurt? Definately a good precaution to take.
Has anyone noticed overall fruitbody size from popcorn, cased in coco/verm, to be smaller than that of the same strain, (Creepers) on PF cakes. The Creepers off the cakes seem to dwarf the ones off the casing. Although on the casings there are definatly more fruits in sheer number per flush than with a cake.
I guess it all evens out.  Anyone else notice this?
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Hippie3
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i have not noticed any consistent trend for small fruitbodies on popcorn, most reports indcate it's pretty normal in all respects except it's unusually fast to colonize.but cakes can surprise, i've pulled some 14 inchers off pf cakes before, and plenty of 8 to 10 inchers, don't think just 'cause it's simple that it's not effective.
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