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 Baby_Hitler
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 Re: Popcorn as grain substrate?  [Re: GratefulDread]
#1164894 - 12/23/02 11:07 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kewl, I wanna know how it turns out.
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1176465 - 12/29/02 03:02 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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The salt content in the nibblets is too high so unless I can find totally sodium free brand This was a bust. Trying out the popcorn using fractional sterilization. Boiled the popcorn for 10 min one day then 1 hour the next, Jarred in quart jars and boiled for 1 hour a day for 3 days and am now innoculating the jars. I'll post any results
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: GratefulDread]
#1180922 - 12/31/02 12:05 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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here's a pic of my 1st batch fully colonized a few days ago, just cased a few in pie pans using coir so i'll know more in a few more weeks.
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AcidSmurf
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1185207 - 01/02/03 11:37 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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So would corn flour make a better cake than brf?
Would the potency be any different?
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Hippie3
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: AcidSmurf]
#1186216 - 01/03/03 12:47 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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only one way to find that out...
give it a try.
but i'd be surprised if it made much difference.
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Hippie3]
#1186600 - 01/03/03 04:51 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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What was your recipe? did you soak it? or did you simmer it? or did you have a measured ammt of each ingredient?
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Hippie3
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Raadt]
#1189064 - 01/03/03 11:17 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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soaked 24 hours then simmered 1 hour
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NSKiller
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Raadt]
#1197129 - 01/07/03 07:22 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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my friend has half pint jars and wants to try popcorn kernals. how much kernals to water should he use, in cups please..... also he heard that you can add a small amount of honey to the water and it will make extra food for bigger shrooms? is that true?
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: NSKiller]
#1197189 - 01/07/03 08:01 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hmmm.. cool!
I like this,, yummy popcorn!!
also less messy than WBS !! 
NS Killer:: don't worry about the water to corn thing, just soak it , simmer it, boil it.. let them absorb as much water as possible and then drain, load in jars as-is and PC them. then inject!! woo hoo!! 
The niblets would get all mushy i'd think? that's like trying poped popcorn...
next thing someone will try carrots!!
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NSKiller
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sweet thanks!
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Hippie3
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: NSKiller]
#1197573 - 01/07/03 10:31 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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i'd leave out the honey, it won't add much nutrition and high levels of sugars can actually surpress potency.
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Hippie3]
#1200045 - 01/08/03 07:39 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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you stated earlier in this thread that because corn kernels are round they have more surface area and that would help colonization...
a sphere has the lowest surface area possible compared to volume
thats why liquids form droplets
i wonder if popcorn is slightly more contam resistant.
compared to birdseed or rye do fewer kernels explode?
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: thescientist]
#1200175 - 01/08/03 08:15 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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my friend was trying it, but while "simmering" it he "burnt" it cause the water evaporated quicker then expected, he came to burned popcorn kernals, he was very pissed..... but is soaking his second batch now.....
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1201006 - 01/08/03 12:37 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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The night I posted my first reply in this thread, I went out and bought some yellow popcorn (Walmart brand). I made a dozen half pint jars (The only size I'm not using right now). Then shot em up with TC mycelium from a karo jar that I hadn't used yet. I ended up with all contams, and threw them out but here is what I learned so far.
1. Popcorn doesn't dry out as fast as millet. I can see now why it is necessary to drain for at least a half hour. I only did for like 10 min and I could immediately see that was a bad idea.
2. Popcorn colonizes about a jizzilion times faster than millet. Most of my jars were 80-90% before black dots showed up.
3. Popcorn doesn't pop like millet, not even in the pc. In fact popcorn is so dense that I see why it needs to be boiled and soaked for so long.
4. Popcorn mess is virtually non-existant. Millet is so small that I lose alot of it through the strainer. I've always just taken this loss. Popcorn doesn't fall through, you get every last kernel.
5. The smell is more pleasent while boiling than millet. Not that millet smells bad, it just smells like..........birds.
I think the most important thing though, is water distribution. I have quarts of millet that look ok on one side but really dry on the other. Its kind of early for me to come to solid conclusions, but for now, I'm going with popcorn.
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: AcidSmurf]
#1202070 - 01/08/03 06:27 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
I have quarts of millet that look ok on one side but really dry on the other.
shake that millet .
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: thescientist]
#1202956 - 01/09/03 03:29 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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i just made up two more batches and did manage, on the second batch, to burst alot of the popcorn open. this time i had skipped the pre-soak and just boiled it 2 hours instead of 1, by which time i could break a kernel between my fingernails, which i figured meant it was good enough.
i then split that into two batches, 1 i pc'd right away for about 75 minutes and it came out fine.
the second portion i didn't get to right away, let it set 2 days in the fridge, loaded it up last night and pc'd 90 minutes. when i check this AM i could see several burst kernels, where the hulls had split although it didn't look like it really spilled out its' starchy interior like rye does, the hulls were just split open. i'm still going to inoculate it to see how it goes. but so far i'm liking it quite alot, my very first tray has already begun fruiting.
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Edited by Hippie3 (01/09/03 03:34 AM)
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Hippie3
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: thescientist]
#1202962 - 01/09/03 03:32 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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i more just meant that a kernel of popcorn had more surface area than a kernel of rye or birdseed, since it's so much larger, even if it is more spherical.
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Raadt
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Hippie3]
#1203431 - 01/09/03 06:40 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Surface area helps, but I would say points of innoculation are more important in spawning.
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samsonsimson
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Raadt]
#1203514 - 01/09/03 07:02 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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im going to try this popcorn substate.
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1203537 - 01/09/03 07:11 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Anyone Have a Popcorn Tek written yet?????
So basically soak the grain for like 24 hrs.....
Strain for a half hour or more
Fill jars...
Pressure cook for 60 mins
and Innoculate once pressure cooked???
Can you use a syringe or does this need to be done
with grown out agar?
Also do the kernals get clumpy requiring them to be broken up
every so often during the initial growth in the jar?
Later
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