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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Raadt]
    #1373754 - 03/13/03 08:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)


That is popcorn spawned to poo after 2 days. I used Act II Movie Theater Butter bc it was all i had and i was just goofing around. I ripped open the packs and simmered in water and drained and repeated several times to get out the butter. You should tear one of those bags open one day you would be amazed, it is more butter than popcorn easily.

Also, the cracked kernels seemed to colonize first, starting inside the splits.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Audi0]
    #1374562 - 03/14/03 04:52 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I have read the thread ( a few times ) ,
THE QUESTION REMAINS
Has anyone tried grinding popcorn to make a (PF) cake
Doing it as we speak was just looking for experience.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: BikeCourier]
    #1374705 - 03/14/03 05:47 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

page 4, mr. lazy

Anno, made cakes of ground corn.

You sir, did not read this whole thread or you wouldn't have missed it :wink:


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Raadt]
    #1376596 - 03/14/03 05:58 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Pl. djamor also seems to like popcorn quite well.

This jar is 11 days old from a mycelium syringe.



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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1377071 - 03/14/03 11:03 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Such hostility for a simple question. I could see the possibility of missing someting on a 14 page thread. Cant we all just help each other? :wink:

Anyway back on topic.

Popcorn has become my new holy grail of grain spawn, it contams much less than WBS (or any other that I have tried), is much cleaner, and colonizes much faster. But there is a few things I have noticed about it too.

I always boil my popcorn, usually to the point where the kernals just start to burst open. This definetly helps with germination and colonization time. This however leads to more diffuculty in getting excess water drained out. No matter how long I strain them, they always seem too wet (jars with water in em). Problem solved by nuking in a bowl after straining, with repeated stirring and checking. Allow to cool some to prevent condensation when loading into jars.

I always found the soak method does not work for a damn when working with popcorn, I always ended up cooking or it wont soak up as much as possible. I also have always ended up with slower germination and colonization times when I did not burst the kernals (when compared directly). I usually notice the first growth from spores coming from the bursted areas.

I have just begun experimenting with soaking WBS in potato water, with excellent results (2 jars 90% in 3 days, and the control at about 40%, spawned jar to jar with popcorn). This I will also try with future popcorn spawn, to see if I can speed it up even more. :tongue:


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: ATWAR]
    #1377074 - 03/14/03 11:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

A negative thing (if used as spawn) is that it doesn?t provide so many inoculation points per volume unit, since the kernels are much bigger than rye or millet.



The strange thing is that the kernels would change the color to red when they colonize.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Anno]
    #1377096 - 03/14/03 11:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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A negative thing (if used as spawn) is that it doesn?t provide so many inoculation points per volume unit, since the kernels are much bigger than rye or millet.




Very true. I currently use 1/2 pint (8oz) jars for germination, transfering that to pint or larger containers of millet. This has worked very well for me so far. I could see how it would be a problem if you were to use it to spawn directly to bulk.

Anyway, another question: Does anyone know how the nutrient content of popcorn compares to other grains? I mean, does it contain sufficient nutrients to fruit directly? (sorry if I missed it in another post, I mean it IS 14 pages long, and not all of us have broadband)


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: ATWAR]
    #1377099 - 03/14/03 11:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

>does it contain sufficient nutrients to fruit directly?

Off course.
Every grain contains more nutrients than straw. And straw supports fruiting....


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Anno]
    #1377110 - 03/15/03 12:04 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Every grain contains more nutrients than straw. And straw supports fruiting....




I never thought of it that way. :smile:

Hooked on popcorn works for me! 


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Anno]
    #1377177 - 03/15/03 01:08 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I think the color change may be unique to Cubensis. I haven't seen it yet in my oyster jars.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1377329 - 03/15/03 04:08 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i have some PRs going on popcorn but been lazy lately and haven't gotten around to casing them b/c lack of room due to my amazons that keep flushing. anyways i got free time today and was wondering if i could possibly take a single colonized kernal and add it to a freshly sterilized jar of more popcorn so i could get a single mycelium 'strain' so i can get an even flush. will this work? problems i can forsee:
1) possibly more than 1 'strain' per kernal
2) not guarenteed the isolated strain will fruit.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? *DELETED* [Re: Eightball]
    #1377975 - 03/15/03 10:48 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: AreA]
    #1378362 - 03/15/03 02:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Same thing happend to my buddy.. too..... :crazy:
he threw them out be for he knew..... :tongue:
 
 


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Eightball]
    #1378642 - 03/15/03 04:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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i have some PRs going on popcorn but been lazy lately and haven't gotten around to casing them b/c lack of room due to my amazons that keep flushing. anyways i got free time today and was wondering if i could possibly take a single colonized kernal and add it to a freshly sterilized jar of more popcorn so i could get a single mycelium 'strain' so i can get an even flush. will this work? problems i can forsee:
1) possibly more than 1 'strain' per kernal
2) not guarenteed the isolated strain will fruit.





A way of getting around this is to break up your a bunch of kernels in a jar and just use a spoonfull of colonized kernels to transfer.
Also you could try cutting away a peice of the inside of a mushroom in a clean room/area and using it to innoculate. Make sure it is an isolation from the same kind of substrate/method you plan on using.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: AreA]
    #1378712 - 03/15/03 05:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i've seen this too . pink showing through the mycelium . if you shake it, you see that it is actually orange brown .
like hippy said, popcorn darkens as it gets colonized .
and, apparently split hulls may even be a good thing .


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: deanofmean]
    #1379660 - 03/16/03 03:04 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Has anyone incorporated the WBS tek into the popcorn tek? I innoculated some jars today with roughly 1:1 popcorn/wbs, popcorn PCed at 15 psi for an hour, WBS soaked for 30 min, qt jars and pced for another 15psi 60 min. Time will tell I guess, I figured it cant hurt.

P.S. I have some normal popcorn jars going, so far props to popcorn, 5 days and about 25% colonized.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: GratefulDread]
    #1383559 - 03/17/03 10:48 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

what about cream Korn?????At least maybe it has at least ONE use!


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Amanita_Dreamer]
    #1384779 - 03/17/03 04:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

that shit has all kinds of preservatives and stuff. Go thru this entire post they mention using canned corn.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: ATWAR]
    #1385762 - 03/17/03 08:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Atwar>>>could we use the potato water to soak popcorn kernels in??  Ya think that would work and be of any benefit?  And what does WBS stand for?

Anno>>>
"A negative thing (if used as spawn) is that it doesn?t provide so many inoculation points per volume unit, since the kernels are much bigger than rye or millet. "

My therapisr was thinking of using colonised popcorn and spawning it into hay and worm castings, but after reading the negative side to using popcorn as spawn...do ya think he can still have success at it  with positive results (obviously not as good  compared to rye or millet)???

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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: sBUD]
    #1386220 - 03/17/03 11:58 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Im using 1 pint of kernels to spawn poo in 8x11 rubbermaids. It takes about a week to colonize it completely.


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