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Popcorn as grain substrate?
    #1152356 - 12/18/02 04:38 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I was reading a post here about some mushrooms grown on popcorn kernals, aparently it is a popular substrate in Sweden. Not much has been said about it here on the Shroomery.

I was wondering if anyone had tried it. It looks pretty good, I'd like to see it become more used here.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1152408 - 12/18/02 05:01 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

That's the first grain I will try once I get a pressure cooker!


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: SixCee]
    #1152458 - 12/18/02 05:25 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Sweet!

I think it may have some of the better properties of both rye, and millet.

The grain size will be bigger though, so it may have somewhat of a disadvantage as spawn.

I wish I knew Swedish, so I gould go read about it on Lloyd's site.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1152559 - 12/18/02 06:10 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

It's not bad.. but it can become mush.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: ExtravagantDream]
    #1152701 - 12/18/02 07:11 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

At what point does it go to mush? In the PC?

You're not popping it are you?


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1152943 - 12/18/02 08:41 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I used to do standard PF tek jars, then I got a PC and started using popcorn. Man it rocks! I haven't tried rye grain so I dont know which is better, but popcorn is really good. It has never become "mush" for me. Here's what I do: pour about 1.5 kg of popcorns into a pot (i think it's about 6 litres), fill that up with water and boil it for a couple of minutes. Then I let it sit for a few hours before i boil it up again, then let it sit a few more hours (over night or so). Then I boil it hard for a few minutes (until the kernels are starting to crack open). Strain it for about half an hour (or it'll be really wet) and load into jars.
In my experience it takes a little longer to get germination with popcorn then with pf tek substrate, but the popcorn jars grow twice as fast after that (it's been the same with b+ and ecuador, both normal spore injection and honey tek. actually, for some reason the honey tek doesn't seem to help as much with popcorn as with my other substrates, but pops are still faster for me .)
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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: melic]
    #1153259 - 12/19/02 12:07 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

So you don't sterilize them in pressure cooker you just tyndallize?
Sounds interesting!


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: zeronio]
    #1153296 - 12/19/02 01:01 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Well the site you are refering to is in swedish...But, everyone in sweden has studied English for at least 6 years so try asking q?s over there..i?ll bet you get some answers.. :smile:

The Popcorn substrate is a great substrate and it gives multiple large and profilic flushes.

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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: stonErollEr1]
    #1153332 - 12/19/02 01:47 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

i started some white popcorn 5 days ago, looking pretty good so far with a fair amount of growth visible.
i just soaked it 24 hours then simmered it an hour then pc'd it an hour. i like it so far, looks like it can get more air circulation in between the grains to lower contam rates, also i saw zero popped/burst kernels which is a big improvement over rye. another nice perk, i found it was 16 cents cheaper per pound than rye at my local organic supermarket so i did up 6 pounds altogether.
one thing i was thinking, since popcorn is rounder than rye the individual grains will have more surface area perhaps helping to compensate a bit for the larger kernal size.
i think there's alot of potential here.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Hippie3]
    #1153335 - 12/19/02 01:55 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)


here's some GT i just germinated on white popcorn, started it the 14th this month.
it's a bit harder to see the mycellia clearly since the corn is white too but in good light you can see alot more mycellia than shows up in that pic.
i have cambo growing on some popcorn as well,
so i'll know alot more over the next several weeks.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: zeronio]
    #1153341 - 12/19/02 02:02 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

you still gotta pc it after that, he's just getting the water content right first.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Hippie3]
    #1153411 - 12/19/02 03:26 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

So basicaly one could take any corn (maize) or does it have to be specifically the one suited for popcorn?


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: zeronio]
    #1153469 - 12/19/02 04:10 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

yeah hip is right, you've gotto PC the jars with the substrate in em. Otherwise you'll end up with some real stinkers.  :tongue:

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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: melic]
    #1153573 - 12/19/02 05:03 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Anno: Pretty much all corn do work..in dried form.
And as hippie3 said you havet to PC your jars as with all grains.

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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: stonErollEr1]
    #1154650 - 12/19/02 10:47 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

i would think that as long as the kernals are intact you could use maize but i haven't looked up the various kinds and their nutritional analysis [yet]. i just got the white popcorn as it wasthe cheapest, they also had yellow and some mixed maize-like with red and yellow ,etc. all mixed together. i'll pick up some more next week when i stop by there and put up a few jars of each, just to see.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Hippie3]
    #1154867 - 12/19/02 11:58 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I think fractional sterilization would work as well.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Hippie3]
    #1154893 - 12/19/02 12:06 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Rounder=less surface area

I wonder if you could innoculate a can of nibblets?  :grin:

It's already completely sterile, but you can't see through the can, and you would have to get the water out without letting any contaminated air in.

Wouldn't be surprised if you could just drain the nibblets, put them in a quart jar, and tyndalize them.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1155201 - 12/19/02 02:02 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Nibblets? Could always do it in a flow hood and transfer to jars.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: SixCee]
    #1155210 - 12/19/02 02:09 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe. The jar would have to be sterile too.


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Re: Popcorn as grain substrate? [Re: SixCee]
    #1161079 - 12/21/02 10:00 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Great Idea with the nibletts but since u gotta boil the jars first anyway to sterilize them might as well throw the nibletts in to get any spores or contams they might get in transfer. I read this post and ran out and bought canned corn, put it in jars and boiled them for 1 hour and am presently letting them cool. Hopefully I'll have some results in the next week for u

P.S. Most canned corn is lightly salted so make sure to get the low sodium kind

Gonna try peas tomorrow
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